Just how thick is your skull? First degree murder has nothing to do with torture or the amount of pain inflicted in the murder, it is classified as such based upon the murderous act being planned beforehand with the sole purpose of causing death. Sorry, maybe you are just completely ignorant of Christian history. The murder of JC was preplanned, pre-meditated and conducted with only one end point in mind; death. If anyone was so inclined to prosecute, this would definitely qualify as first degree murder.

What are you babbling about? Pilate ORDERED the crucifixion of Jesus! He ordered that Christ be given a crown of thorns and to carry His own cross to Golgotha (also known as Calvary). Christ was whipped and beaten by the Romans along the way, per Pilate's orders.... and when He was finally nailed to the cross it took Him six hours to die after being beaten some more. All the Romans did was follow orders, but they followed them knowing full well that their actions would result in Christ's death. That is premeditation.

First degree murder would most definitely apply in that case. Derek Chauvin did not plan Floyd's death beforehand. He did not discuss it with anyone - it just happened within a period of about 10 minutes. It was not premeditated.

What don't you get about that??

My point is that like the Roman officials knew that thier actions would lead to the death of Christ so did all four fully trained police officers would know that the acts of their fellow officer would lead to death too. And by your definition it is PREMEDITATED murder. Therefore murder 1. If I can prove it here in principle and I'm not a lawyer than I'm sure the attorney general should be able to prove it in a court of law. That is if no dirty business or politics are going on. Torture whether for 8 minutes or 4 hours is still torture. It is that simple.

The flaw in your thinking is that you are assuming too much. First of all, you are assuming that the other police officers knew that what their fellow officer was doing would lead to Floyd's death. How do you know what was going on in their minds? Second, you are assuming that the officer who had his knee to Floyd's neck planned in advance to do that to him in order to cause his death. How do you know that? Third, you are assuming that all officers involved intended to k**l Floyd from the beginning - that when they pulled their vehicles up to where Floyd's car was, they knew that when they told Floyd to get out of his car, they intended to k**l him. How do you know they all together intended to help officer Chauvin to cause Floyd's death? A lawyer would not even take that case to court, knowing there was no way they could prove any of those things.

I think you need to look up the definition of "premeditated murder" and see for yourself what it means. MY definition of premeditated murder (the one that is in the dictionary) is what I said in my earlier post: It is knowingly planning ahead, with forethought, to cause death....intending to cause death ahead of time....careful consideration of the act of causing death before they even got to the site of the "crime" (if there even WAS a crime).

There is no evidence anywhere that it happened that way. Maybe they all DID get together and plan ahead that morning, or the evening before, to specifically go after Floyd to k**l him, but how can that be proved?

This maybe frustrating for you, but you are assuming that the officers were not trained. Plus you proved in your thesis the exact reason why this case must go to court. You bring up valid points that neither you nor I can explain. This is true. However, the point here is to charge him with the greater crime. And then while in court the jury will have the opportunity to hear both sides of the argument. In our speculation we are exploring what needs to be done and this conversation must happen. So I applaud you for sticking to the subject. Now under strict interpretation of premeditated murder you are correct and no one denies that. However under broad interpretation you are incorrect. For example who k**led Christ. Under strict interpretation one can make a case that Rome did. Under broad interpretation you can say the culprits were the Jews. In the case at hand, the strict interpretation is that the event was unplanned. But if it was really unplanned why did the officer continue to assault the victim after he was subdued? Why didn't any of the other officers stop the first officer? Why did they not act? Reasonable doubt can be applied if we are talking about a non trained police officer however these people were trained. So that excuse does not fly not hold water. The key here is their training. Fear and panic could be a reasonable defense but again that would only apply to the untrained. Look at it under the microscope on the angle of training and you should see my point.

So this policeman should be charged with first degree murder, and then let the jury decide if he intended to k**l Floyd from the beginning? That's ridiculous. It would be like charging you with murder when you robbed a store of a pack of cigarettes. Pilate ordered Christ to be crucified as soon as he heard about him. He lied and said Christ was claiming to be king of the Jews, and charged him with treason. You are advocating the same be done with Chauvin...that he be charged with something he did not intend to do.

You can believe wh**ever you want to. I believe Chauvin did not intend to k**l Floyd. I do not believe that he got up that morning and said that his goal for the day was to go after G****e F***d and k**l him....and I do not believe he consorted with the other policemen to all get together with the intent and purpose of k*****g him. And I do not believe he should be charged with first degree murder - not because I think he is innocent, but because he really and truly did not INTEND to k**l Floyd. It has nothing to do with the way Christ was k**led. That analogy is ridiculous. And with this, I have said all I have to say about Chauvin's intentions....I'm done.

There is a major problem in the United States, and it is not racial, although many of its forms are racial.
It is not sexist, h********c, etc. What it is, however is best defined by the phrase,r "The Good Ol Boys Club".

We as Americans have a tradition and custom of policing ourselves. But when situations arise that are extreme, then we as Americans try to deal with the situation according to our own individual wisdom the best we can. This is what is playing out right now. On one hand we have the citizens, on the other hand we have the government. As our founding fathers put it, "Society drives the nation, but government restricts the people." With all this being said, let's look at our current situation.

Let's start with Mr. G****e F***d. Mr. Floyd was apprehended by four police officers and in my opinion, one officer tortured and k**led Mr. Floyd. This was played out in a video that all the news networks played over and over again. Then it took the "system" nearly a week to fire and arrest the officer. In the meantime justified outrage ensued. But then to my surprise, the Minnesota Attorney general's office charged the police offer with Manslaughter- 3rd degree murder. That is an uttermost outrage and the citizens of this country are showing their anger for all law enforcement and their anger is justifiable, but their actions of anarchy, r**ting and l**ting is not.

This event coupled with the "Stay at home" orders which our lovely governors invoked, has put an unneeded burden on our community. "Peace on the Left, Justice on the right" is the right way to approach this situation to start with. The people need justice and with that justice, peace will come. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. preached of this Peace. He ended his "I Dream" Speech with "Peace at last, Peace at last".

Now Dr. King spoke out against the very evil, I today over 60 years later is speaking out against, and that is summed up by the definition of the phrase "The Good Ol' Boys Club"

So what is the "Good Ol Boys Club?" They are known as the extremists, the r****ts, the insiders, the sexists, the homophones, the controlling group that cares only about those who are inside the club, and no one else. They're philosophy usually goes like this, "Us against them," they're anger is usually fueled by fear and emotional decisions. This is how these circumstances happen. It happens with in the Democrats, the Republicans, the media, and every business, profession or trade. You have the insiders and the outsiders and when they clash death is evident.

Now for a responsible American Citizen, who has great faith and p***e with in my fellow Americans, I cannot condone the acts of the Minnesota police. I believe the officer who had his knee on the neck of Mr. Floyd should be charged with first degree murder, because it was just not murder but it was also torture. Frankly stated, the officer tortured and k**led Mr. Floyd. First degree murder should be and ought to be the charge. But the three other officers should also be charged with the same offense because of the simple principle, "If you have the opportunity to do something, you have a duty to do it."

Since the message of Donald Trump is not being heard above the noise of both the media and the r**ts let me use this opportunity to plead with the president right here. My message to Donald Trump is this:

You could have had a Bobby Kennedy moment! Shame on you for not taking the opportunity to show the American people what I know.

G****e F***d and Donald Trump are victims of the same crime! The crime is called, the "Good Ol Boys Club!". In the past three years Donald Trump, his family and friends, his employees and supports have all been attacked by the corrupt members of the Democrat party and the corrupt members of the main stream media. False charges were made against Donald Trump, just like false charges were made against G****e F***d. The difference here is that G****e F***d was being arrested, where they never arrested Donald Trump. And G****e F***d lost his life. Donald Trump did not lose his life, yet impeachment is the death of a president. Therefore, I am justified in making that statement.

How many of you are old enough to remember the rally of Bobby Kennedy in April of 1968 when Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was shot and k**led in Memphis? Do you remember, DO YOU PROTESTER, remember what Robert Francis Kennedy said, "Not too long ago, I had a brother who was shot and k**led by a white man"

Do you remember? Before you, PROTESTER, go out and start protesting, the evils of the "Good Ol Boys Club" remember and keep in your heart the words of Robert Kennedy in April of 1968. Before you r**t and l**t remember Robert Kennedy words. They have not changed. What happened to Donald Trump, with Russian collusion, and impeachment can happen to anyone of us. Just ask G****e F***d! And what happened to G****e F***d, can happen to you and me. This injustice must stop and to stop it we must remove the police chief, mayor and governor in Minnesota as well as any other person of power who is too weak to stand up against the Good Ol Boys Club. That was the reason the Bill of Rights was written and it is up to us, the citizen to enforce the fundamental rule.

Don't just go out and v**e, but recall and fire these leaders that brought fire and destruction to your city. I don't care if its NYC, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, Minneapolis, Houston or DC? Use habeas corpus! Petition the government for the immediate removal of all those people belonging to the Good Ol Boys Club. That's how you win!

Remember what the brother of Floyd said, "I'm not destroying my community, What are you doing?" What are you doing?

America if you want to win, remember at all levels of the citizentry of this great nation, the Good Ol Boys Club seems to be the problem. Destroy that and Peace will come. It is in the Media, the political parties, all levels of government, all businesses and all groups in this nation. We as a people are being required to change we don't need the network of the Good Ol Boys Club, destroy it. Not the cities.

God Bless You all!

Well they raised the charge to 2nd degree murder and arrested the officers involved and charged them with the same.i pushed for 1st degree murder charge but will compromise with 2nd degree. Either way, we must consider that the men and women charged with police duties must be held to a higher standard for various reasons. First and foremost, the officers have been trained. The license of that training no longer can use the excuse, I panicked or I did not know.

With that being said and done now we must ensure that the investigation is properly conducted. But for the r****rs and violent protesters stop and they too should be charged with invoking death and destruction. As far as the peaceful protesters, thank God for you! To the governmental leaders why did it have to come to this? Outsiders are always victims of this type of crime and most of the time the outsider is innocent




You are correct, the police are trained. Based upon the widespread use of the knee on the neck by various police departments, the cops in Minneapolis were doing what they were trained to do but just did it too long. Check the reference below that documents the death of two different white men by white police, one who had the knee on his neck for twice as long as Floyd and who also died. Even during these r**ts there was video of Seattle police officers using the knee on the neck technique. None of the officers involved were charged criminally and internal investigations were either terminated or found them not guilty. No one has heard of this even now b/c it doesn't fit the r****t narrative; the problem is police training and the callous indifference toward human life on the part of individual officers, not endemic r****m.

https://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2020/06/02/white-man-cant-breathe-n2569897?fbclid=IwAR3vEqlWj9sty9XcTD91n6CfJ_BCdVtrBx2viffz5uSpDSyKVm8b_nPcgMU