Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The statement that science is the only way to t***h contradicts itself because that statement has no basis in science.

Science still cannot explain water, or why ice is slippery or why humans and animals yawn or why a bicycle remains upright when ridden or why 9 out of 10 people in the world are right handed, and you think science has a handle on understanding "life processes"?

The moral values Jesus taught are founded on an absolute referent, they are relevant to everyone. It is our choice whether or not to embrace them and live by them.

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From your post:
"The bottom line is a religious argument and all religious arguments are between the individual and his/her deity. Your religious beliefs have no relevance to anyone not a co-subscriber, and your interference is totally unwarranted." On your next post you state: "I do not 'denounce' religious reasons for anything." Your statements clearly imply that you believe those who oppose a******n do so for religious reasons and you reject their attempts to "interfere" with a person's decision to commit a******n on that basis (perhaps renounce was too strong a word so I replaced it with reject). You continue: "You may base your views on any basis you choose. What I denounce is your presumption that your religious reasons have any bearing on any non-subscriber." As I have stated a number of times on OPP I am an atheist; as a result I have no religious reasons for banning a******n or for anything else. I don't "denounce" you for assuming that as that is the basis of your false assumptions about everyone's reason for objecting to a******n but, if your interested you can look through my previous posts to determine my distinctly non-religious reasons for objecting to a******n.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

All of you are wrong! There are some things that Science can't answer. There are some things Religion can't answer.


How Much Are the Elements in Your Body Worth?
www.thoughtco.com/worth-of-your-elements-3976054
Your skin would be worth about $3.50 if it were sold at the price of a cowhide, which runs around $0.25 per square foot. If you take a dollar's worth of elements plus the value of your skin, you might be able to get $4.50, which you can round up to $5, so you can feel a bit better about your chemical value.

What is your body worth?
www.datagenetics.com/blog/april12011
What is your body worth? According to a recent article in Wired magazine, a body could be worth up to $45 million — Calculated by selling the bone marrow, DNA, lungs, kidneys, heart … as components. What about the value of a body based around just the chemical elements that make up a corpse?

Human body reduced to chemical formula by Texas biologist ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3028890/...
He also calculated that all the chemical elements in the human body could be worth upto $2,000 if they were isolated and sold on the open market ... Human body reduced to chemical formula by Texas ...

Legends & Rumors: Chemicals in Average Human Body Worth Less ...
legendsrumors.blogspot.com/2015/12/chemicals-in...
One might suppose that the eighty-odd cents’ worth of chemical substances which, with water, constitute the human body, stood as the actual value of a man. But it is not the value of a man. No monetary figure is the value of a man (Eileen J. Garrett, Adventures in the Supernormal: A Personal Memoir. New York: Creative Age Press, 1949, p. 233).

What is the cost of a human body, in terms of the ... - Socratic
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WARNING! Long answer! The elements in the human body are worth about $600 US. > 99% of the mass of the human body consists of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. They are worth about $576. All the other elements taken together are worth only about $9 more. For the calculations, I have assumed a mass of 80 kg, and the prices are the best estimates I could ...

How Much Is The Human Body Worth? | IFLScience
www.iflscience.com/.../how-much-human-body-worth
No price can be put on a life. But whether we like it or not, once a person has died, there is value to the human body as a commodity.And different parts of our body are worth different amounts ...

TIL The Chemical Elements That Make a Human Body is Worth ...
www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/13qdqb/...
TIL The Chemical Elements That Make a Human Body is Worth Roughly About $160 ... All the ingredients of the average adult human body down to the last speck of protein ...

How much are the minerals in the human body worth? | AnswersDrive
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The current monetary worth placed of the basic “elements” in an individual human body is $4.50: $3.50 for the skin and the remainder of the worth assigned in the aggregate to the major elements — $1.00.

This Is How Much Your Body Parts Are Actually Worth - BuzzFeed
www.buzzfeed.com/tanyachen/this-is-how-much-your...
Pair of Eyeballs: $1,525. Skull with Teeth: $1,200. Scalp: $607. Shoulder: $500. C****ary Artery: $1,525. Heart: $119,000. Liver: $157,000. Hand and Forearm: $385

Composition of the human body - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body
The average 70 kg (150 lb) adult human body contains approximately 7 × 10 27 atoms and contains at least detectable traces of 60 chemical elements. About 29 of these elements are thought to play an active positive role in life and health in humans.

Chemical Composition of the Human Body - ThoughtCo
www.thoughtco.com/chemical-composition-of-the...
Oxygen is the most abundant element in the human body accounting for approximately 65% of a person's mass. Each water molecule consists of two hydrogen atoms bonded to one oxygen atom, but the mass of each oxygen atom is much higher than the combined mass of the hydrogen.

If broken down into elements, how much is the human body ...
www.quora.com/If-broken-down-into-elements-how...
How much is a bucket of water (most of the body’s mass), a sack of charcoal (almost all the organic material), a chunk of limestone caked in guano (calcium and phosphorus) about a nail’s worth of iron (from blood), and a puff of nitrogen gas (from...

How much is the human body worth? | Yahoo Answers
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Some compounds like H2O are in you and aren't worth much, and they also take alot to seperate. So even if you did have something valuable in you, the process of seperating it from the bonds it is in would most likely cost more than the element is worth, unless you found technetium in you - haha, sorry bad joke, and impossible.

How Much Are You Worth? - Jayadvaita Swami
www.jswami.info/worth
“The calcium, magnesium, iron and other chemicals in an adult’s body were worth 98 cents in the early part of this decade; now they’re worth $5.60, according to Dr. Harry Monsen, a professor of anatomy at Illinois College of Medicine.

How much is your body worth - Answers
www.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_your_body_worth
Body parts are not typically something that is sold legally. However, a liver can be worth as much as $160,000, heart $119,000 and the kidneys $262,000 each.

If the average human body were broken down ... - Yahoo Answers
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There's nothing very rare or uncommon in the human body. The component chemicals would only be worth a few dollars, though some sites have said as much as $50. Here's a site that says we're only worth $4.50:

Based on organic composition, how much is a human being worth ...
www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question2533.html
I don't know how reliable it is, but it's copyrighted 2007 and shows the chemical composition of the body by percent, estimating its value at just under $1.00. Adding the value of the skin as a leather substitute (!) adds another $3.50.

The Cost of a Human Life, Statistically Speaking - The G*******t
www.theg*******t.com/the-cost-of-a-human-life...
If a human life is worth $8 million, how much should we pay today to prevent an event that would result in the loss of ten billion human lives in 500 years? If we use a 7% discount rate, that number is shockingly small: $162.63.

How much chemical energy is readily available in the human body
worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/51306/...
Quick google search says there's only around 5 Kcal worth of energy in ATP/CP on average in the body which equals to mere 20900 joules. Note that rapidly depleting most of it will result in death which implies that a person must have a surplus of it to use in the act of magic.

How Much Is An Entire Human Body Worth? - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FL_vpusKHY
If you are ever strapped for cash, you can always sell your organs on the black market. But in order to do that, you will need to know how much your organs are worth, right? In today's educational ...

JW

Science knows why ice is slippery. Why it happens isn't entirely understood. What happens is. https://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2013/12/10/why-is-ice-slippery/

Your other enquiries are equally understood. That some scientists see different reasons for various things doesn't mean those things are not understood. It means, as in all things, different people have different ideas. This fact is what I referred to when I said only religion is absolute in its pronouncements. In religion, no other views, extra dogmatic, are acceptable.

JW

There is no other religious believer so thoroughly dogmatized as an atheist.

I am not saying any given religious belief is the basis rather the religious mindset (the I know I'm right because I'm right, mindset). I may have oversimplified my original statement. Your beliefs, wh**ever they might be founded on, do not bind anyone else unless they so subscribe. What you believe is between you and your multi-armed mythical pseudo deity. It binds no one else.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

I'm so sorry, my friend! I had no idea you were living with such a burden! I will pray for God to find a way to bring you and your family to America ASAP.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Only God is absolute. Nothing man can conceive is absolute, including a religion.

There are a number of things in Christianity that set it apart from all other religions, most notably the monotheistic ones - Judaism and Islam. Put simply, all other religions are men seeking a relationship with God, Christianity is God seeking a relationship with men.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

We still disagree on whether a preborn is a human being, and whether k*****g it is murder. I will also point out that by your definition, interfering in a man beating his wife (or the reverse) is unwarranted interference. I reject that. No man, or woman, is an island.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

I love your argument! If I'm ever pulled over for speeding, I try using it on the Officer. "Sir, your narrow minded belief that I was going 90 mph does not apply to me because I do not subscribe to your laws."
And as far as being religious, I was totally opposed to a******n long before I became a Christian. Any person that does not see the clearly obvious, and SECULAR, fact that life begins at conception has got a short in their hardware. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I am serious. There is something wrong with them, and they should serious consider not reproducing. Almost every argument for a******n I have heard in the last fifty years devolves to some version of "But I don't want it! It will harm frighten embarrass or inconvenience me." They do not understand what love is, or how to apply it to children, so best not to have any.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Sorry for the misspellings.....it's late.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Dear PeterS

This has really been an interesting post! It's generated some great comments. But I would like to get back to the basic question: How much is a human life worth?
I'll give you my answer from a Christian conservative in Texas. A human life is worth exactly the same thing as anything else.....it is worth what someone will pay for it. The men who assassinated Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luthor King, John Kennedy, and Malcolm X apparently thought these great men's death's were worth their own lives. Some people place little value on their own lives, and take stupid risks. How many tourists have died in the past couple of years by ignoring common sense and fences in order to take "selfies" on the edge of a dangerous cliff? How many have risked, and often lost, their lives over alcohol or drugs? Or for the adrenalin high that some extreme sports provide? How many do other stupid things, like attacking armed Police Officers, who represent our society and it's rules? Mr. Brooks, for example, did not deserve to die for falling asleep in his car, drunk or not. But no matter what the investigation determines, even if the Officer screwed up, the situation was CAUSED by Mr. Brooks resisting arrest. Stupid. He clearly did not put enough value on his own life.
On the other hand, it was only a few years ago that millions of dollars was spent, multiple injuries incurred, and at least one life lost, to save a group of young people trapped in a flooded cave. How many times has tremendous effort been done to save miners trapped in collapsed tunnels? What about Police and Firefighters that run INTO danger rather than from it, to save lives? And what about the heroes, both first responders AND civilians, that ran out of the World Trade Center, then ran BACK in to try and save one more person? And then did it over and over again, not stopping until the building collapsed on them. What were their lives worth? Time after time men and women sacrifice much, or all, to help their fellow man. Makes me proud.
As far as the p******c is concerned, there is serious studies that show that the shut down has k**led almost as many people as the v***s. It has certainly created massive harm to millions of people, and to the poor and low sk**led most of all. As a grandfather, yes, I am willing to risk my life, and that of my wife, to get the economy back running right, even though I am retired and it is not affecting me financially. But my kids are hardworking and deserve not to be bankrupted by a shut down that is unlikely to help much more. It's purpose was to flatten the curve, that was accomplished, not do the impossible task of stopping the v***s. My grandkids do not need to have our generation dump any more debt on them. The millions of poor need jobs so they can support their families.
The left likes to heap scorn and ridicule on conservatives. Ok. I don't think much of their agenda, either. But one of their repeated mantras is that conservatives want to rip off the poor to line their own pockets. Nothing could be farther from the t***h. The t***h is that conservatives observe what works, and want to apply it to everyone, not so that everyone gets "their fair share of the pie", cause there ain't no such thing. This is a rich world, and a rich country. Lots of apples and wheat and sugar. Conservatives want everyone to have the opportunity to bake their very own pie, and enjoy it with their family. We support what has been proven to work the best. Capitalism, hard work, and earned self respect. Folks on the left should give it a try, rather than trying to support lost causes with other peoples money.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

A******n is Evil
by Center for Arizona Policy | Sep 27, 2019 | 5 Minutes for Families, Feature | 0 comments

A******n is evil.
A******n stops a beating heart.
A******n breaks women’s and men’s hearts. A******n also hurts women, both physically and emotionally.
That’s not news for us in the pro-life community.
Over the last few weeks, however, we’ve seen an uptick in court testimony and other venues proving the horrific, evil reality of a******n.
Recent Stories
Consider these recent news stories:
Indiana A******nist. Once again an a******nist, Ulrich George Klopfer, showed a complete disregard for unborn children and their mothers. When Klopfer died, 2,246 medically preserved fetal remains were found on his property. Klopfer reportedly performed 30,000 a******ns. The Daily Caller reported that Klopfer “only gave pain medication to women under 16 and to women who could pay him extra.” Horrific. Evil.
California Court Testimony. Remember the gruesome videotapes by Center for Medical Progress (CMP) proving that Planned Parenthood trafficked in baby body parts? In a California courtroom earlier this month, CMP undercover journalists David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt endured a preliminary hearing on whether they committed felony crimes by breaking California law in recording and releasing the videotapes.
As noted by The Federalist, the hearing “ultimately revealed more about the violent crimes of a******n industry titans Planned Parenthood and StemExpress.” An a******nist who has performed from 30,000 to 50,000 a******ns, Dr. Forrest Smith, testified that Planned Parenthood performed a******ns in a way to ensure live births, putting women at risk. Live births were required in order to be able to harvest the babies’ organs to sell to StemExpress.
The Washington Examiner reported Smith testifying that “very few people in a******n, outside of Planned Parenthood” perform the a******ns in the way to result in live births. Evil.
Mayra Rodriguez. This week, CAP released our video interviewing Mayra Rodriguez, the former Planned Parenthood Arizona employee who won a $3 million judgment for wrongful termination by the a******n giant. Don’t miss Mayra’s story. Watch the video. Share it on Facebook and with your circles of influence. Evil.

Good News: A******n Rates Dropping
Last week, The Guttmacher Institute released its report showing a 7% decline nationally from 2014 to 2017 with 862,320 reported a******ns in clinical settings. That’s over 50% fewer a******ns since the peak year of 1980. Further, a******n rates fell in nearly all states and was the lowest recorded since 1973. Guttmacher refuses to credit any pro-life laws as a reason for the decline.
Michael J. New, Ph.D., writing for Charlotte Lozier Institute, wrote this in response:
“…there has been a durable, long term increase in the percentage of unintended pregnancies that are carried to term since the early 1980s. This fact reveals the success that the pro-life movement has had in working to shift public opinion, to better assist pregnant women and their families, and to pass protective laws.
…The growing pro-life American majority has had a strong record of progress during the past 40 years and regardless of how the U.S. Supreme Court rules on any future case — we have plenty of reasons to stay the course.”
Concluding Thoughts
Stay the course. Be encouraged. The evil of a******n continues in our nation, but we are winning the hearts and minds of Americans and exposing the evil.
Renew your commitment to stay the course, advocating for women and their preborn children. Volunteer at a local pregnancy center. Work in a campaign for a pro-life candidate. Most of all, pray to end a******n.


I will speak as a Mother.......I believe that aborting a fetus is murder! From the instant that cell is fertilized it starts growing, it is alive, that baby is a part of her. It won’t stop growing until the baby is delivered, naturally or in an a******n. Being a Christian or an atheist does not change the fact that it is a growing living fetus with a soul, before the heart or after the heart, does not matter, it is alive! Believing in God or not believing in God has no effect on this fact! How any Mother could k**l her baby is beyond my understanding! And don’t give me that excuse of not being able to take care of it, mentally, financially, or physically..........there is always adoption!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

This response is pathetic, Peter, truly. Only a grossly ignorant and supremely arrogant individual could come up with such a patently false and meaningless fabrication.

And based on what? WORDS.

You taken everything I've written, every WORD I've typed here, and "made them mean what you want them to mean". The written WORD is all you have to go on. WORD games, Peter, you're playing WORD games with other people's lives.

You are an avowed atheist, a secular humanist who despises Christians and everything we stand for, and you will do wh**ever it takes, no matter how fallacious, to create a caricature of a Christian that satisfies your own h**eful opinion of him.

Do your attempts to belittle others reinforce your self-image? It this foolishness your ego pump?

Psychology is the SCIENCE of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context. Extensive studies into the psychology of defense mechanisms has revealed the reasons why a person will fabricate lies about others. Fundamentally, a manufactured psychological defense is an emotional lie. You lie about others to protect yourself. You are lying to yourself. The psychologists call it "self-deception", the result is projection.

By no means is this the first time you've attempted to slander me personally by manufacturing such scurrilous lies. I believe I understand why.

Now, back to your question - How much is a human life worth? The keyword is LIFE. The real question demanding an answer is, what is the value of LIFE and who or what determines its value?

Are you capable of an intelligent answer?