jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

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jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

Probably, Like occasional Kotex!

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

Amen!

John Meoff

Unfortunately, he remains in a pit for the public consciousness. That has been the handiwork of the liberals.

That contrasts with how the public remains enamored of FDR despite his administration's efforts at welcoming c*******ts and their sympathizers into the government. It's FDR who deserves to be vilified for lying us into WWII with that supposed unexpected attack on Pearl Harbor. He did have a way of appearing to do something when in fact his every effort was to prolong the Depression. A lying lout and nasty man.

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

We can only hope!

DaWg44

John,
If you have not read 1944 by Jay Winik, I think you would really enjoy it. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, & Barack Obama have been the worst Presidents in history.

billy a Loc: South Florida

Just wondering, cogit...what do you people talk about among yourselves? I mean, really...you take the time to insert yourself into this conversation with nothing to say but dog-$h1t,
And sit back, self-satisfied that you think you've hurt someone's feelings? Why don't you use some of that energy to produce something that looks like a candidate for President of the United States? F*****g pathetic...

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

It is stupid for this thread to exist!

FUJIMO

Ricktloml

And President Trump's family is a target as well. The vile left even wished a 12 year boy would be locked in a cage with a p*******e. It most certainly is h**e, and it is demonstrated on a daily basis. ANY criticism of Obama's policy decisions was met with accusations of r****m. You are right, President Trump has had to endure a vicious onslaught of h**e unseen in modern politics. But that is one of the more useful accomplishments of President Trump. He has made the left drop their masks, and exposed them for what they truly are. Poisonous, h**e-filled reprobates willing to do ANYTHING to gain and wield power

John Meoff

I was going to bring that up & I am glad you did.

JohnCorrespondent

A warm welcome to you, Never Trumper deb999.

As a rough estimate of the populations here on onepoliticalplaza (OPP), I'd guess we have about ten people who could never in their lives bring themselves to v**e for Trump, about sixty Trump supporters who despise the ten, and maybe as many as five others who might v**e for Trump and also occasionally write good posts or replies here.

I've been dropping in and out here for 2 or 3 years.

There are at least 2 or 3 reasons why I can't imagine myself ever v****g for Trump:

At least one of them is partly personal: I heard Trump in a debate with other Republican candidates in 2016 on the radio. I just dropped in on it by chance, somewhere in the middle of it, while turning the tuning dial on the car radio. I heard Trump speaking loudly, interrupting others, and being insulting. I waited for something more informative to happen in the debate. But nothing did, for what seemed like a long time. Every time anyone else started to speak, Trump interrupted loudly. But with all the words he was saying, I still couldn't discern anything that sounded useful. So I changed the channel and have never been interested in anything Trump has said since, except as entertainment showing how bad he is. The personal part is that I've encountered other people who behave like Trump, and they've been bad, so that might possibly have influenced me to think he'd be bad too.

Another reason is that I believe in (or highly regard) a system of checks and balances, and Trump doesn't.

A third reason is that what Trump says is often counter to what scientists say.

A fourth reason is that I value international cooperation and Trump doesn't.

A fifth reason is that I value m**************m and Trump seems, to me, more bigoted.

A sixth reason is that some (not all) Trump supporters behave like provincial f**g wavers who don't appreciate the good reasoning behind our system of government, spending more time insulting instead.

I heard somebody on the radio, being really obnoxious and firing up emotion but leaving a lot of sentences unfinished. Later I heard that that person was Rush Limbaugh and that there's a whole organization called "Fox" that behaves somewhat like him although maybe he's the worst of the lot. Then I started to learn that many Trump supporters get their news only from Fox and nowhere else. What am I to think? They can't be very well informed if that's the only place they get their news. That does not describe _all_ Trump supporters, but I think it describes enough of them to make a big difference. My _impression_ of Trump supporters and maybe even Republicans as a class is that they've always got plenty of words to say (being smug in their self-righteousness, not having learned enough about their own fallibility) and never stop talking even when at least some of what they've said turns out to be false. There's no way to stop them by proving them wrong, because they fill up the new time on some new topic. You can't resolve anything with them because they keep changing the subject.

I get my news from several sources, but these days some people would call them all "liberal": The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times don't seem supportive of Trump (perhaps with good reason, because he's really not worth supporting) so Trump supporters probably call them "liberal" sources of news. Al Jazeera and The Guardian are more international and they (plus kpfa.org) are my favorite sources of news. They don't seem to like Trump either (kpfa _definitely_ doesn't) so I guess Trump supporters would call them "liberal" too. kpfa.org, and a local California newspaper, and a couple of other California newspapers (all of this is online) are other places I get news. But I don't go at it methodically. I tend to read a couple of news articles per day from one or two of these sources.

Most of my thinking appears to be on the "left" side of the political spectrum; or, to put it another way, the political spectrum has centered itself somewhere to the "right" of my kind of thinking.

When I'm careful, I try to avoid being too vicious, hurtful, or insulting. I agree with most of your post, but would probably draw the line somewhere in your last sentence. I have some sympathy for Trump the human being; I think he was: playing a candidate game, never expecting to actually get elected, and completely unprepared for actually being president. (Trump didn't know any better, and shouldn't have been expected to know any better. The Trump presidency is mainly the fault of the Republican Party leadership and the Republican Party v**ers.) Once in, he's tried to make the best of it, using the tools he knows, which is overbearingness and money, but his presidency is bad for the country. One good thing about his presidency: now, with p******c evidence piling up against him, he might be starting to learn to listen better to experts and heed their advice more; that's remotely possible, I think; but don't hold your breath for it. Our chances as a nation are better with almost anyone else; although, surprisingly, the Republican Party seems to always have something and somebody worse on tap. So if our next president (either in 2020 or 2024 or whenever it happens) is also a Republican then he/she/ze/it might be even worse than Trump. That's why I had to say "almost" anyone else. Because if you think Trump is bad, you've mis-estimated how low the Republican Party can go. The Democratic Party is also bad, but the Republican Party is worse. Most (if not all) Presidents range from bad to not-quite-adequate (it's too big a job, and the inertia is too much), but some of the recent Republican ones have been noticeably much worse.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

You sure are long winded!! Can't get a word in edgewise with you!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

You folks sure do leave an impression!!

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Sorry man, I'm just a dumb ole Texas redneck. Can you please explain in actual words what that means?