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Apr 13, 2020 10:42:41   #
son of witless
 
RRRoger wrote:
In one way, we would have been much better off.
The MSM would not have hyped the Panic if the Obomination were still in power.

Trump tried to calm everyone down and avoid shutting down America by instituting Social Distancing, ramping up our Medical response, and limiting travel only.
The condemnation of the media and pressure from the Left caused the shut down of our economy.


Kevyn said : " There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yearning for Barack Obama’s leadership right now. It’s palpable. You can feel that around the country. "

That very likely was gas pains he felt. The propaganda media now is trying to sow fear and discontent. During Obama's 8 years of failure they preached that everything was Bush's fault. And it worked for 8 years too.

I still say we need to roll out reopening the country. It amazes me how well favored businesses are doing that remained open. We could reopen other businesses that do not require large spaces and crowds. Small outdoor cafes and small restaurants with spacing could be tried. Especially in areas where v***s numbers are not high.

Unofficially people are c***ting with small family gatherings.

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Apr 13, 2020 10:46:30   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
Kevyn wrote:
There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yearning for Barack Obama’s leadership right now. It’s palpable. You can feel that around the country. He led us through the financial crisis, Ebola and several other crises. For eight years he stood at the podium and said, ‘I take responsibility.’ Now we have the antithesis of that.

Obama inherited an epic trauma of his own, the 2008-09 financial meltdown, which, supporters claim, would have developed into a Great Depression but for the actions of his administration. He also had to deal with an outbreak of swine flu, which k**led an estimated 12,469 Americans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ebola in west Africa in 2014-16 raised further alarm but only 11 people were treated for the v***s in the US. Obama’s White House Ebola “czar”, Ron Klain, is now a regular TV and podcast critic of Trump’s disorganized response to the c****av***s. On Wednesday, Klain tweeted a video of Obama in 2014 warning of the need to be ready for the next p******c.

Obama’s former national security adviser Susan Rice told the Washington Post that Trump’s failures “cost tens of thousands of American lives”.

The ex-president himself, however, declines to speak out directly against his successor. But he has tweeted more frequently than usual: 33 posts in the past month, many of which offer advice on stopping the v***s spread, pay tribute to healthcare and other essential workers or share inspiring stories.

What a shame Obama was term limited, he would have trounced Trump in 2016 and we would have a qualified educated leader in this time of crisis instead of an arrogant clueless buffoon. Term limits in this instance have cost more Americans their lives than the 9-11 attacks. It is time to do away with them and give American v**ers the right to choose who they want in public office rather than forcing qualified public servants out of office after an arbitrary timeline.
There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yea... (show quote)


I am one who is in total agreement with term limits. George Washington set precedent when he left after two terms. The political members of this country have made a fallacy of citizen leadership. When a member of Congress serves for twenty, thirty, or forty years they are no longer citizen politicians but have become entrenched bureaucrats. Myself, I am not sure they accurately do represent the people they say they represent. I will give one example. I wrote a letter to my congressman about saving land for an endangered elk herd once. I received a form letter from his office about bike paths he was endorsing in another part of the state. I think he was too long in Washington and too far removed from constituents. I realize you can respond that his office staff sent the reply and not him but he was the representative and so therefor the reply reflects on him, not his staff. Never v**ed for him again. I believe that a citizen politician who must leave office after a certain time will be more representative of is constituents than one who has made a career of wh**ever office. I also believe that a person elected to office v**es first for himself;f, then for his constituency. A career politician in effect becomes a king, an earl, a baron, or wh**ever but is certainly not a representative. I v**ed for term limit when I lived in California but saw them turned into a travesty when the elected officials just swamped jobs with each other as they termed out of a position.

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Apr 13, 2020 11:12:01   #
Kathie
 
proud republican wrote:
Majority of Americans are NOT yarning for another Obama term!!!


Had 8 years of Obama that was 8 years too many. No more Obama!!

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Apr 13, 2020 11:32:47   #
son of witless
 
FallenOak wrote:
I am one who is in total agreement with term limits. George Washington set precedent when he left after two terms. The political members of this country have made a fallacy of citizen leadership. When a member of Congress serves for twenty, thirty, or forty years they are no longer citizen politicians but have become entrenched bureaucrats. Myself, I am not sure they accurately do represent the people they say they represent. I will give one example. I wrote a letter to my congressman about saving land for an endangered elk herd once. I received a form letter from his office about bike paths he was endorsing in another part of the state. I think he was too long in Washington and too far removed from constituents. I realize you can respond that his office staff sent the reply and not him but he was the representative and so therefor the reply reflects on him, not his staff. Never v**ed for him again. I believe that a citizen politician who must leave office after a certain time will be more representative of is constituents than one who has made a career of wh**ever office. I also believe that a person elected to office v**es first for himself;f, then for his constituency. A career politician in effect becomes a king, an earl, a baron, or wh**ever but is certainly not a representative. I v**ed for term limit when I lived in California but saw them turned into a travesty when the elected officials just swamped jobs with each other as they termed out of a position.
I am one who is in total agreement with term limit... (show quote)


George Washington likely could not physically has served a third term. I believed he died within 2 years of leaving office. He was tired and worn out and some in his government gossiped behind his back that he was losing it mentally before he left. That said, even if he had been more fit, he never wanted power for power's sake. He wanted to go back to his Virginia home.

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Apr 13, 2020 12:16:38   #
Hawkeye_s1
 
The minute you start attacking people with apposing views and not the views, you loose credibility in my eyes.
-Just sayin

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Apr 13, 2020 12:22:18   #
Hawkeye_s1
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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Apr 13, 2020 12:27:18   #
Abraham50
 
Strycker wrote:
So you're saying that the Obama administration and his DOJ were much more sk**led at gaming the system and avoiding consequences of their actions. Make sense since he spent his entire life doing just that. President Trump's current DOJ actually follows the law. As far as charges.. give it time. In the end, the t***h will win out even if justice against the Obama administration never materializes.


Trump had total control of Gov't his first two years in office, why then isn't Hillary in jail ?"lock her up" and why wasn't Roe V Wade overturned by Supreme Court ? Trump also has Courts in his favor !! No, the first two years in his office Trump and Republican Party only gave huge tax brakes to the RICH, go figure, its only about the rich with this Republican Party and always has been !! Love of Money, Trump admits to that SIN !!

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Apr 13, 2020 12:58:21   #
F.D.R.
 
Kevyn wrote:
There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yearning for Barack Obama’s leadership right now. It’s palpable. You can feel that around the country. He led us through the financial crisis, Ebola and several other crises. For eight years he stood at the podium and said, ‘I take responsibility.’ Now we have the antithesis of that.

Obama inherited an epic trauma of his own, the 2008-09 financial meltdown, which, supporters claim, would have developed into a Great Depression but for the actions of his administration. He also had to deal with an outbreak of swine flu, which k**led an estimated 12,469 Americans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ebola in west Africa in 2014-16 raised further alarm but only 11 people were treated for the v***s in the US. Obama’s White House Ebola “czar”, Ron Klain, is now a regular TV and podcast critic of Trump’s disorganized response to the c****av***s. On Wednesday, Klain tweeted a video of Obama in 2014 warning of the need to be ready for the next p******c.

Obama’s former national security adviser Susan Rice told the Washington Post that Trump’s failures “cost tens of thousands of American lives”.

The ex-president himself, however, declines to speak out directly against his successor. But he has tweeted more frequently than usual: 33 posts in the past month, many of which offer advice on stopping the v***s spread, pay tribute to healthcare and other essential workers or share inspiring stories.

What a shame Obama was term limited, he would have trounced Trump in 2016 and we would have a qualified educated leader in this time of crisis instead of an arrogant clueless buffoon. Term limits in this instance have cost more Americans their lives than the 9-11 attacks. It is time to do away with them and give American v**ers the right to choose who they want in public office rather than forcing qualified public servants out of office after an arbitrary timeline.
There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yea... (show quote)


Kevvy, Seriously? You gotta be kidding me!

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Apr 13, 2020 13:06:10   #
Cuda2020
 
FallenOak wrote:
I am one who is in total agreement with term limits. George Washington set precedent when he left after two terms. The political members of this country have made a fallacy of citizen leadership. When a member of Congress serves for twenty, thirty, or forty years they are no longer citizen politicians but have become entrenched bureaucrats. Myself, I am not sure they accurately do represent the people they say they represent. I will give one example. I wrote a letter to my congressman about saving land for an endangered elk herd once. I received a form letter from his office about bike paths he was endorsing in another part of the state. I think he was too long in Washington and too far removed from constituents. I realize you can respond that his office staff sent the reply and not him but he was the representative and so therefor the reply reflects on him, not his staff. Never v**ed for him again. I believe that a citizen politician who must leave office after a certain time will be more representative of is constituents than one who has made a career of wh**ever office. I also believe that a person elected to office v**es first for himself;f, then for his constituency. A career politician in effect becomes a king, an earl, a baron, or wh**ever but is certainly not a representative. I v**ed for term limit when I lived in California but saw them turned into a travesty when the elected officials just swamped jobs with each other as they termed out of a position.
I am one who is in total agreement with term limit... (show quote)


You're correct, all of our goals should be to the integrity and authenticity of not only our elected officials but also who are placed in official offices. We all act as if manipulations can't be stopped, completely untrue, we do have the power it's these manipulations that take away our power.

I, due to manipulations, agree with Washington also on doing away with parties.

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Apr 13, 2020 14:31:27   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
no propaganda please wrote:
The only thing that I am yearning for Obama to do is go to jail for all the fraudulant things he has been involved in.


I'm wondering which of His 57 States He is truly thinking of retiring in?

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Apr 13, 2020 14:33:35   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Kathie wrote:
Had 8 years of Obama that was 8 years too many. No more Obama!!


Kathie: I'm looking for His 8-year term in Leavenworth! Now that's a term-limit we can live with!

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Apr 13, 2020 14:35:00   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Abraham50 wrote:
Trump had total control of Gov't his first two years in office, why then isn't Hillary in jail ?"lock her up" and why wasn't Roe V Wade overturned by Supreme Court ? Trump also has Courts in his favor !! No, the first two years in his office Trump and Republican Party only gave huge tax brakes to the RICH, go figure, its only about the rich with this Republican Party and always has been !! Love of Money, Trump admits to that SIN !!




The President has never had total control, otherwise the Suicide Queen would be locked up.

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Apr 13, 2020 15:24:55   #
Redangel62
 
no propaganda please wrote:
The only thing that I am yearning for Obama to do is go to jail for all the fraudulant things he has been involved in.


Or be hung

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Apr 13, 2020 15:27:03   #
Redangel62
 
son of witless wrote:
Kevyn said : " There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yearning for Barack Obama’s leadership right now. It’s palpable. You can feel that around the country. "

That very likely was gas pains he felt. The propaganda media now is trying to sow fear and discontent. During Obama's 8 years of failure they preached that everything was Bush's fault. And it worked for 8 years too.

I still say we need to roll out reopening the country. It amazes me how well favored businesses are doing that remained open. We could reopen other businesses that do not require large spaces and crowds. Small outdoor cafes and small restaurants with spacing could be tried. Especially in areas where v***s numbers are not high.

Unofficially people are c***ting with small family gatherings.
Kevyn said : " There’s no doubt the majority ... (show quote)


So true

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Apr 13, 2020 16:28:56   #
WEBCO
 
Kevyn wrote:
There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yearning for Barack Obama’s leadership right now. It’s palpable. You can feel that around the country. He led us through the financial crisis, Ebola and several other crises. For eight years he stood at the podium and said, ‘I take responsibility.’ Now we have the antithesis of that.

Obama inherited an epic trauma of his own, the 2008-09 financial meltdown, which, supporters claim, would have developed into a Great Depression but for the actions of his administration. He also had to deal with an outbreak of swine flu, which k**led an estimated 12,469 Americans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Ebola in west Africa in 2014-16 raised further alarm but only 11 people were treated for the v***s in the US. Obama’s White House Ebola “czar”, Ron Klain, is now a regular TV and podcast critic of Trump’s disorganized response to the c****av***s. On Wednesday, Klain tweeted a video of Obama in 2014 warning of the need to be ready for the next p******c.

Obama’s former national security adviser Susan Rice told the Washington Post that Trump’s failures “cost tens of thousands of American lives”.

The ex-president himself, however, declines to speak out directly against his successor. But he has tweeted more frequently than usual: 33 posts in the past month, many of which offer advice on stopping the v***s spread, pay tribute to healthcare and other essential workers or share inspiring stories.

What a shame Obama was term limited, he would have trounced Trump in 2016 and we would have a qualified educated leader in this time of crisis instead of an arrogant clueless buffoon. Term limits in this instance have cost more Americans their lives than the 9-11 attacks. It is time to do away with them and give American v**ers the right to choose who they want in public office rather than forcing qualified public servants out of office after an arbitrary timeline.
There’s no doubt the majority of Americans are yea... (show quote)

No we need term limits on ALL public officials. They can have 2 terms in the house, 2 terms in the senate, and 2 terms as president. If they hold a position, and they want to run for a different office, they must vacate their current position. No one deserves to live off the public forever. No more retirement for them either. As far as Obama...he's already done more damage than we will be able to repair in a really long time.

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