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Should welfare payments be suspended during the c****-** shutdown?
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Apr 5, 2020 15:01:45   #
Daredevil
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Yup, those big-screen TV's don't buy themselves!


Ah so your problem is with people who abuse the welfare system. Come right out and say it then, because it sounds like you're against the disabled who actually need it.

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Apr 5, 2020 15:02:53   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Or the current Republican kleptocracy in place now.


Do you mean President Trump, who donates his entire paycheck?

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Apr 5, 2020 15:04:29   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Daredevil wrote:
Ah so your problem is with people who abuse the welfare system. Come right out and say it then, because it sounds like you're against the disabled who actually need it.


The problem is about 95% of welfare recipients are abusing it.

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Apr 5, 2020 15:05:20   #
Daredevil
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
The problem is about 95% of welfare recipients are abusing it.


Ah, well no argument there.

Pretty long winded way to make an argument, I must say.

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Apr 5, 2020 15:11:01   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Daredevil wrote:
Ah, well no argument there.

Pretty long winded way to make an argument, I must say.


Saul Alinsky - Rules for Radicals #4.

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Apr 5, 2020 15:22:31   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
L*****ts are always prattling on about fairness. It's not fair that some people earn more money than others. It's not fair that some people live in nicer homes than others. It's up to government to eliminate inequities and redistribute the wealth from those who earn it to those who don't, so everyone gets the same.

Using those l*****t principles, during the c****-** shutdown, when every non-essential worker is prohibited from going to work and earning a paycheck, it's not fair that welfare payments continue to be distributed like clockwork. If everybody else is suffering financially, then everybody should, including welfarers. It's only fair.
L*****ts are always prattling on about fairness. I... (show quote)


So, you'll be returning your tax rebate check?

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Apr 5, 2020 15:23:50   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
lpnmajor wrote:
So, you'll be returning your tax rebate check?


No, I'll be donating mine to the workers at supermarkets who are working, risking their lives and those of their families, to keep you and me fed.

Most welfarers will be using theirs to buy more luxuries.

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Apr 5, 2020 15:27:27   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
No, I'll be donating mine to the workers at supermarkets who are working, risking their lives and those of their families, to keep you and me fed.


Then..........................you're on welfare.

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Apr 5, 2020 15:27:56   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Then..........................you're on welfare.


LOL. Not hardly.

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Apr 5, 2020 17:59:01   #
eden
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Do you really think people can't survive without welfare? How do they manage in countries without it?


The short answer is they don’t. Extreme poverty, lack of access to clean water, housing and medical care are all ingredients for violent bloody revolution. America with its slanted tax code to benefit those with the most money is trending in this direction.
What is needed is a redistribution of opportunity so that everyone can get a sense of upward mobility through hard work, not them and us handouts. There are multiple examples of this in our own backyard of South America.
The current crisis may act as a tipping point in Venezuela for example, spilling into neighboring countries and creating a hemispherical disintegration that could lead to millions of refugees rushing the US southern border. No doubt Mr Trump’s magnificent unbuilt Wall will hold them back.

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Apr 5, 2020 18:09:28   #
eden
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
The problem is about 95% of welfare recipients are abusing it.


That would include the recipients of corporate welfare no doubt?

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Apr 5, 2020 19:53:17   #
Lonewolf
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Except the ones on welfare.


Many low wage workers get benefits because employers like Wal-Mart won't give them enough hours.

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Apr 5, 2020 19:54:07   #
Lonewolf
 
eden wrote:
The short answer is they don’t. Extreme poverty, lack of access to clean water, housing and medical care are all ingredients for violent bloody revolution. America with its slanted tax code to benefit those with the most money is trending in this direction.
What is needed is a redistribution of opportunity so that everyone can get a sense of upward mobility through hard work, not them and us handouts. There are multiple examples of this in our own backyard of South America.
The current crisis may act as a tipping point in Venezuela for example, spilling into neighboring countries and creating a hemispherical disintegration that could lead to millions of refugees rushing the US southern border. No doubt Mr Trump’s magnificent unbuilt Wall will hold them back.
The short answer is they don’t. Extreme poverty, l... (show quote)



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Apr 5, 2020 21:06:31   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
eden wrote:

The current crisis may act as a tipping point in Venezuela for example, spilling into neighboring countries and creating a hemispherical disintegration that could lead to millions of refugees rushing the US southern border. No doubt Mr Trump’s magnificent unbuilt Wall will hold them back.


Why would anybody want to leave a socialist utopia like Venezuela to go to what you describe as the most awful, r****t, h********c, xenophobic, sexist, white-supremacy patriachy on earth to become a victim of income ine******y?

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Apr 5, 2020 21:12:39   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
eden wrote:
That would include the recipients of corporate welfare no doubt?


If by corporate welfare you mean taxpayer-supplied stadiums for pro sports, or taxpayer-funded green boondoggles like Solyndra, or taxpayer handouts to Hollywood producers and stars, or building factories for Tesla, then yes. Absolutely!

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