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Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to be concerned
Like you, I am all ready to get back to normal, if there will ever be such a thing. But I also take the c****av***s seriously and you should to. Those who scoff at the seriousness of the situation need to think about this: Do you really think the NBA, Major League Baseball, NASCAR, the NCAA, the Masters and all other sports would shut down and lose billions of dollars if not for a real p******c threat? Would entire nations impose absolute quarantines? Would major corporations close their doors? And would the President urge a virtual shutdown of our nation’s previously thriving economy during an e******n year if this weren’t deadly serious?

In adherence to “shelter in place,” most churches in the nation have closed their on-campus services to conduct services online. A few have remained open, but have taken extraordinary measures to try and protect the attenders.

My pastor of my own small church of less than 20 people is doing services online. Personally, I think that we should still be meeting because the Bible tells us that God has given us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control and that for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But alas, there are others to think of like my pastor’s wife who has COPD, others in our church whose health is c*********d, my wife, people in the communities we live, and my obedience to God to listen to my pastor. So, I think that he has made a prudent choice and I will abide by it.

But one such church that remained open is The River at Tampa Bay Church. To maintain an atmosphere that mitigates spreading the c****av***s – similar to the essential business that I work for supplying forklift truck parts – it required attendees to separate 6-10 feet from others, supplied hand sanitizer at every door for every attendee, spent $100,000 for a hospital quality air-flow system, and had every staff member wearing gloves.

This week, Sheriff Chad Chronister of Hillsborough County, FL actually arrested Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne for having conducted church services. Think about that. A pastor was arrested for having a church service. He didn’t sneeze or cough on people. He didn’t deny the v***s was real and in fact, took great precautions to maintain social distancing. But he was arrested and taken to jail for opening his church. No one was forced to attend. The attendees arrived on their own and one wonders why those who attended weren’t arrested also? This case will set up a colossal legal battle as to whether the government at any level can tell a church, synagogue or mosque it cannot provide what to many, are essential religious services to its members. Think of it as there are essential products and services that feed our bodies. And there are essential church services that feed our souls with word, prayer, and fellowship.

But should the government actually arrest a pastor for having church? And if government can shut down a church now, when will some government decide that a church is dangerous because it believes what the government deems is wrong. If a church who believes the Biblical pattern of marriage of one man/one woman is considered discriminatory, will the pastor be arrested? If a church believes that men and women should have separate restrooms and dressing rooms and g****r-separate dorms and showers at youth camp, will the pastor be arrested and jailed for not following what the government deems right?

While I believe the risks to public safety and life are real from the c****av***s, I also believe that we cannot and must not sacrifice our first amendment guarantees of freedom of religion, free speech, and freedom to assemble. I urge you to protect your family during these times, but be equally vigilant that government doesn’t become a deadly v***s to k**l our liberties and turn us into a police state.

Lonewolf

Parky60 wrote:

A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to be concerned
Like you, I am all ready to get back to normal, if there will ever be such a thing. But I also take the c****av***s seriously and you should to. Those who scoff at the seriousness of the situation need to think about this: Do you really think the NBA, Major League Baseball, NASCAR, the NCAA, the Masters and all other sports would shut down and lose billions of dollars if not for a real p******c threat? Would entire nations impose absolute quarantines? Would major corporations close their doors? And would the President urge a virtual shutdown of our nation’s previously thriving economy during an e******n year if this weren’t deadly serious?

In adherence to “shelter in place,” most churches in the nation have closed their on-campus services to conduct services online. A few have remained open, but have taken extraordinary measures to try and protect the attenders.

My pastor of my own small church of less than 20 people is doing services online. Personally, I think that we should still be meeting because the Bible tells us that God has given us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control and that for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But alas, there are others to think of like my pastor’s wife who has COPD, others in our church whose health is c*********d, my wife, people in the communities we live, and my obedience to God to listen to my pastor. So, I think that he has made a prudent choice and I will abide by it.

But one such church that remained open is The River at Tampa Bay Church. To maintain an atmosphere that mitigates spreading the c****av***s – similar to the essential business that I work for supplying forklift truck parts – it required attendees to separate 6-10 feet from others, supplied hand sanitizer at every door for every attendee, spent $100,000 for a hospital quality air-flow system, and had every staff member wearing gloves.

This week, Sheriff Chad Chronister of Hillsborough County, FL actually arrested Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne for having conducted church services. Think about that. A pastor was arrested for having a church service. He didn’t sneeze or cough on people. He didn’t deny the v***s was real and in fact, took great precautions to maintain social distancing. But he was arrested and taken to jail for opening his church. No one was forced to attend. The attendees arrived on their own and one wonders why those who attended weren’t arrested also? This case will set up a colossal legal battle as to whether the government at any level can tell a church, synagogue or mosque it cannot provide what to many, are essential religious services to its members. Think of it as there are essential products and services that feed our bodies. And there are essential church services that feed our souls with word, prayer, and fellowship.

But should the government actually arrest a pastor for having church? And if government can shut down a church now, when will some government decide that a church is dangerous because it believes what the government deems is wrong. If a church who believes the Biblical pattern of marriage of one man/one woman is considered discriminatory, will the pastor be arrested? If a church believes that men and women should have separate restrooms and dressing rooms and g****r-separate dorms and showers at youth camp, will the pastor be arrested and jailed for not following what the government deems right?

While I believe the risks to public safety and life are real from the c****av***s, I also believe that we cannot and must not sacrifice our first amendment guarantees of freedom of religion, free speech, and freedom to assemble. I urge you to protect your family during these times, but be equally vigilant that government doesn’t become a deadly v***s to k**l our liberties and turn us into a police state.

b A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to... (show quote)

Let's wait to see just how many of his flock will get sick and die won't take long just like the choir in seattle

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Lonewolf wrote:

Let's wait to see just how many of his flock will get sick and die won't take long just like the choir in seattle

Shouldn't be anymore than what I've experienced where I work. For the most part they took the same precautions we're taking. Why don't you jump all over my place of work also? I know...where I work is essential so we and the people we come in contact with are expendable.

woodguru

Parky60 wrote:

A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to be concerned
Like you, I am all ready to get back to normal, if there will ever be such a thing. But I also take the c****av***s seriously and you should to. Those who scoff at the seriousness of the situation need to think about this: Do you really think the NBA, Major League Baseball, NASCAR, the NCAA, the Masters and all other sports would shut down and lose billions of dollars if not for a real p******c threat? Would entire nations impose absolute quarantines? Would major corporations close their doors? And would the President urge a virtual shutdown of our nation’s previously thriving economy during an e******n year if this weren’t deadly serious?

In adherence to “shelter in place,” most churches in the nation have closed their on-campus services to conduct services online. A few have remained open, but have taken extraordinary measures to try and protect the attenders.

My pastor of my own small church of less than 20 people is doing services online. Personally, I think that we should still be meeting because the Bible tells us that God has given us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control and that for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But alas, there are others to think of like my pastor’s wife who has COPD, others in our church whose health is c*********d, my wife, people in the communities we live, and my obedience to God to listen to my pastor. So, I think that he has made a prudent choice and I will abide by it.

But one such church that remained open is The River at Tampa Bay Church. To maintain an atmosphere that mitigates spreading the c****av***s – similar to the essential business that I work for supplying forklift truck parts – it required attendees to separate 6-10 feet from others, supplied hand sanitizer at every door for every attendee, spent $100,000 for a hospital quality air-flow system, and had every staff member wearing gloves.

This week, Sheriff Chad Chronister of Hillsborough County, FL actually arrested Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne for having conducted church services. Think about that. A pastor was arrested for having a church service. He didn’t sneeze or cough on people. He didn’t deny the v***s was real and in fact, took great precautions to maintain social distancing. But he was arrested and taken to jail for opening his church. No one was forced to attend. The attendees arrived on their own and one wonders why those who attended weren’t arrested also? This case will set up a colossal legal battle as to whether the government at any level can tell a church, synagogue or mosque it cannot provide what to many, are essential religious services to its members. Think of it as there are essential products and services that feed our bodies. And there are essential church services that feed our souls with word, prayer, and fellowship.

But should the government actually arrest a pastor for having church? And if government can shut down a church now, when will some government decide that a church is dangerous because it believes what the government deems is wrong. If a church who believes the Biblical pattern of marriage of one man/one woman is considered discriminatory, will the pastor be arrested? If a church believes that men and women should have separate restrooms and dressing rooms and g****r-separate dorms and showers at youth camp, will the pastor be arrested and jailed for not following what the government deems right?

While I believe the risks to public safety and life are real from the c****av***s, I also believe that we cannot and must not sacrifice our first amendment guarantees of freedom of religion, free speech, and freedom to assemble. I urge you to protect your family during these times, but be equally vigilant that government doesn’t become a deadly v***s to k**l our liberties and turn us into a police state.

b A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to... (show quote)

Yeah think about this, Sacramento county, that has a couple of million people had 314 cases, and 70 of them came from the members of one ridiculous church in Rancho Cordova...The Bethany Slavic Missionary Church. One of their members has died, I'm sure others will follow.

So this 70 cases that came from misguided people will equate to the direct exponential growth that stems from the 314 cases and the share that came from church gatherings. In another time these people would have been exiled if they were purveyors of a plague on the community.

Churches have to adhere to the same rules everyone else does for the good of the community. Ya'll red states, lands of the free, you have at it, k**l yourselves, just keep it out of my state. I'd rather be watching red states get hammered from a state that is doing a much better job of slowing this down and saving lives until we get better treatments and v*****es.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Parky60 wrote:

A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to be concerned
Like you, I am all ready to get back to normal, if there will ever be such a thing. But I also take the c****av***s seriously and you should to. Those who scoff at the seriousness of the situation need to think about this: Do you really think the NBA, Major League Baseball, NASCAR, the NCAA, the Masters and all other sports would shut down and lose billions of dollars if not for a real p******c threat? Would entire nations impose absolute quarantines? Would major corporations close their doors? And would the President urge a virtual shutdown of our nation’s previously thriving economy during an e******n year if this weren’t deadly serious?

In adherence to “shelter in place,” most churches in the nation have closed their on-campus services to conduct services online. A few have remained open, but have taken extraordinary measures to try and protect the attenders.

My pastor of my own small church of less than 20 people is doing services online. Personally, I think that we should still be meeting because the Bible tells us that God has given us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control and that for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But alas, there are others to think of like my pastor’s wife who has COPD, others in our church whose health is c*********d, my wife, people in the communities we live, and my obedience to God to listen to my pastor. So, I think that he has made a prudent choice and I will abide by it.

But one such church that remained open is The River at Tampa Bay Church. To maintain an atmosphere that mitigates spreading the c****av***s – similar to the essential business that I work for supplying forklift truck parts – it required attendees to separate 6-10 feet from others, supplied hand sanitizer at every door for every attendee, spent $100,000 for a hospital quality air-flow system, and had every staff member wearing gloves.

This week, Sheriff Chad Chronister of Hillsborough County, FL actually arrested Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne for having conducted church services. Think about that. A pastor was arrested for having a church service. He didn’t sneeze or cough on people. He didn’t deny the v***s was real and in fact, took great precautions to maintain social distancing. But he was arrested and taken to jail for opening his church. No one was forced to attend. The attendees arrived on their own and one wonders why those who attended weren’t arrested also? This case will set up a colossal legal battle as to whether the government at any level can tell a church, synagogue or mosque it cannot provide what to many, are essential religious services to its members. Think of it as there are essential products and services that feed our bodies. And there are essential church services that feed our souls with word, prayer, and fellowship.

But should the government actually arrest a pastor for having church? And if government can shut down a church now, when will some government decide that a church is dangerous because it believes what the government deems is wrong. If a church who believes the Biblical pattern of marriage of one man/one woman is considered discriminatory, will the pastor be arrested? If a church believes that men and women should have separate restrooms and dressing rooms and g****r-separate dorms and showers at youth camp, will the pastor be arrested and jailed for not following what the government deems right?

While I believe the risks to public safety and life are real from the c****av***s, I also believe that we cannot and must not sacrifice our first amendment guarantees of freedom of religion, free speech, and freedom to assemble. I urge you to protect your family during these times, but be equally vigilant that government doesn’t become a deadly v***s to k**l our liberties and turn us into a police state.

b A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to... (show quote)

Had it been a "church" with Black Liberation Theology" it would never have received this treatment for fear of offending the L***Q groups that attend the Marxist churches with a small pretend Christian touch added.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

woodguru wrote:

Yeah think about this, Sacramento county, that has... (show quote)

Didn't read the post I see woody? The church I mentioned took essentially the same precautions that the place where I work -- an essential business -- is taking so why don't you jump all over my place of work also? If a church -- what many consider is essential -- takes those same precautions, why can't they remain open?

Oh I forgot...you h**e God!

Lonewolf

Parky60 wrote:

Shouldn't be anymore than what I've experienced where I work. For the most part they took the same precautions we're taking. Why don't you jump all over my place of work also? I know...where I work is essential so we and the people we come in contact with are expendable.

I'm not jumping over anyone ,what that pastor did was to endanger his flock for what my guess the collection plate.
Many churches are live streaming their services why not his, when we're shown social distancing is the only thing we can do to try and stay healthy, why ,what's his motives for bringing his flock together ,

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Lonewolf wrote:

I'm not jumping over anyone ,what that pastor did was to endanger his flock for what my guess the collection plate.
Many churches are live streaming their services why not his, when we're shown social distancing is the only thing we can do to try and stay healthy, why ,what's his motives for bringing his flock together ,

You wouldn't understand wolfie but it's for word, prayer, and fellowship...the ESSENTIALS of the Christian faith.

And I want to understand...you're OK with my place of business -- an ESSENTIAL business I'll repeat -- endangering me?

Do you get it yet?

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Parky60 wrote:

Shouldn't be anymore than what I've experienced where I work. For the most part they took the same precautions we're taking. Why don't you jump all over my place of work also? I know...where I work is essential so we and the people we come in contact with are expendable.

While it is indeed a slippery slope when we start arresting pastors, for many of the devout, they heed their pastor's call, regardless of whether it might put them at risk or not. They don't question it because they feel it is an affirmation of faith. Just my opinion, mind you, but it seems almost as if these pastors who call upon their flock to attend church services, are more basking in the power they have over them, rather than for the purpose of gathering to worship. Essential, as you put it, is not the same as expendable. If you are part of those considered essential, then without your presence, there is a distinct possibility that should something go wrong, that service would no longer exist. On the other hand, attending services, expendable, because if you are strong in your faith, you don't necessarily need to be among others who believe as you do. It's a comfort to, but in the current p******c climate, best to protect one another by not being in each other's presence. Just sayin'.....

DonaldR Loc: Florida

The Pastor was an I***T !

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

DonaldR wrote:

The Pastor was an I***T !

So that must make me an i***t for going to work because my place of business is ESSENTIAL and they've done everything recommended to mitigate the risk of me catching the v***s. Just like the church did to mitigate the risk for the churchgoers attending something they consider ESSENTIAL and is well within their constitutional rights. And remember, the churchgoers weren't forced to go.

Personally, I'm forced to attend my church online but I understand the correlation between my work and the church mentioned in this post. Both are taking the necessary precautions for something that is ESSENTIAL to the well-being of the country and this church.

I can't help it if you're too spiritually blind to understand. If you surrendered your life to Jesus you would.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Searching wrote:

While it is indeed a slippery slope when we start ... (show quote)

You're confused on what I meant by ESSENTIAL. The place where I work provides forklift truck parts to the Western Hemisphere that are crucial to the smooth and ESSENTIAL operation of the supply chain in this part of the world whereas many people attend church services because they believe that word, prayer, and fellowship are an ESSENTIAL part of their faith.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Parky60 wrote:

A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to be concerned
Like you, I am all ready to get back to normal, if there will ever be such a thing. But I also take the c****av***s seriously and you should to. Those who scoff at the seriousness of the situation need to think about this: Do you really think the NBA, Major League Baseball, NASCAR, the NCAA, the Masters and all other sports would shut down and lose billions of dollars if not for a real p******c threat? Would entire nations impose absolute quarantines? Would major corporations close their doors? And would the President urge a virtual shutdown of our nation’s previously thriving economy during an e******n year if this weren’t deadly serious?

In adherence to “shelter in place,” most churches in the nation have closed their on-campus services to conduct services online. A few have remained open, but have taken extraordinary measures to try and protect the attenders.

My pastor of my own small church of less than 20 people is doing services online. Personally, I think that we should still be meeting because the Bible tells us that God has given us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control and that for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But alas, there are others to think of like my pastor’s wife who has COPD, others in our church whose health is c*********d, my wife, people in the communities we live, and my obedience to God to listen to my pastor. So, I think that he has made a prudent choice and I will abide by it.

But one such church that remained open is The River at Tampa Bay Church. To maintain an atmosphere that mitigates spreading the c****av***s – similar to the essential business that I work for supplying forklift truck parts – it required attendees to separate 6-10 feet from others, supplied hand sanitizer at every door for every attendee, spent $100,000 for a hospital quality air-flow system, and had every staff member wearing gloves.

This week, Sheriff Chad Chronister of Hillsborough County, FL actually arrested Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne for having conducted church services. Think about that. A pastor was arrested for having a church service. He didn’t sneeze or cough on people. He didn’t deny the v***s was real and in fact, took great precautions to maintain social distancing. But he was arrested and taken to jail for opening his church. No one was forced to attend. The attendees arrived on their own and one wonders why those who attended weren’t arrested also? This case will set up a colossal legal battle as to whether the government at any level can tell a church, synagogue or mosque it cannot provide what to many, are essential religious services to its members. Think of it as there are essential products and services that feed our bodies. And there are essential church services that feed our souls with word, prayer, and fellowship.

But should the government actually arrest a pastor for having church? And if government can shut down a church now, when will some government decide that a church is dangerous because it believes what the government deems is wrong. If a church who believes the Biblical pattern of marriage of one man/one woman is considered discriminatory, will the pastor be arrested? If a church believes that men and women should have separate restrooms and dressing rooms and g****r-separate dorms and showers at youth camp, will the pastor be arrested and jailed for not following what the government deems right?

While I believe the risks to public safety and life are real from the c****av***s, I also believe that we cannot and must not sacrifice our first amendment guarantees of freedom of religion, free speech, and freedom to assemble. I urge you to protect your family during these times, but be equally vigilant that government doesn’t become a deadly v***s to k**l our liberties and turn us into a police state.

b A Pastor was arrested this week; we all need to... (show quote)

And so it begins, the godless among us, driven by demonic desires to rid the world of faith in something infinitely greater than themselves, have finally kicked in the door. Poor fools cannot comprehend the power of that they are condemning, nor the consequences of doing so.

It is prudent to follow the guidelines for preventing the spread of this v***s, but are these guidelines statutory? Is there a law on the books giving a sheriff or any government agent the authority to prohibit people from attending church services and arresting AS A CRIMINAL a pastor or priest for violations of said law?

Redangel62

woodguru wrote:

Yeah think about this, Sacramento county, that has... (show quote)

Why is no one saying anything about the a******n clinics still operating under order not to? They r non essential. But please, let's close down churches but let's keep murdering those babies.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Redangel62 wrote:

Why is no one saying anything about the a******n clinics still operating under order not to? They r non essential. But please, let's close down churches but let's keep murdering those babies.

You don't understand Redangle...they've been deemed essential while churches are non-essential. Go figure.