Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

China is still allowing citizens to return home... But there is intensive testing and a fourteen day quarantine...
Allowing citizens to return home is fine... Allowing them out into public without proper testing was not... And that is exactly what happened... Individuals who returned from China were sent home and asked to quarantine... They were tested only if they displayed symptoms... This was well after it was reported that the v***s could spread without the carrier showing symptoms....



But far fewer than Japan, Korea, and South East Asia... No offense, but the testing is still sporadic and slower than necessary... And without taking appropriate actions following the testing, it is effective only in demonstrating that the numbers are growing...



There was some testing prior... But not nearly enough... That was the point... America was aware that the v***s was on its shores and didn't take the appropriate steps... Imagine what an immediate quarantine of those individuals and anyone they had con in contact with until all had been tested could have done to change today's situation?

Navigator

As far as testing is concerned, the US has tested more people than any other country (about 2 million tests to date, compared to about 375 thousand tests by South Korea with the US rate now being 110,000 per day). A more important question might be why was the US response slow (instead of US I could insert England, Italy, France, Spain - in fact, pretty much any country other than China)? Every country in the world, except China, treated this like they treated all other recent epidemics, i.e. Ebola, Swine Flu, Seasonal Flu - none of which combined the extremely rapid spread with a relatively high mortality rate. In other words, every country, except China, used all the expertise they had attained from other epidemics to guide them in their actions against C****-** and all were woefully inadequate in their response - except China. It makes me wonder just exactly what it was that China knew about this particular v***s that caused it to react, unlike every other country in the world, immediately and extremely aggressively, not to inform the rest of the world about what was coming, but to contain the spread internally.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Korea, Japan, Russia, Taiwan, and numerous other nations were not slow to respond...

Korea and Japan have been able to limit the number of tests needed because the caught it early...

Testing more than another nation is not something to be proud of... Containing the spread is something to be proud of...

There are still people who can't get tested in the US... This is not true for many nations...

bggamers Loc: georgia

Because they didn't say anything till it had gotten out of hand. This was their new year people from all over the world go to china to celebrate with friends and family. By the time they said something it was to late people had already started going back to their jobs in other countries and of course it has a 14-day delay so they infected everyone on the planes and everyone they became close to at the airport taxi driver framilies each of all those are in contact on on on within that 14 days for each person of over 1000 people on just 2 or3 planes and each person contact that's already a p******c and NO ONE EVEN KNEW what was happening in china till it was way to late all who said is they had a v***s they were watching nothing about how bad it was then they start shutting down cities and it started popping up everywhere. All this has put who in the spotlight because they only reported what china wanted and now it is apparent to every country that's paying the price that who can not be trusted.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

W***n was locked down a few days before new year... Some cases did get out before of course...

But many nations Evacuated citizens after the lockdown...

Navigator

About containing the spread without resorting to draconian measures as did China: What most people don't realize is that the spread of this v***s is relatively under control in the US. Except for the area I live, the NY, NJ area, in the two months this has been attacking us there are only 15 states where there are more than 100 deaths and only 22 states where there are more than 2500 total cases in the entire state. Granted, between NY and NJ, where I live, there are 2.5 times the number of total cases and twice as many deaths as in the entire country of China, a country with 35 times more people than my area. Yes, where I live it is out of control due to 5,000,000 people riding the subway every day packed in like sardines and local politicians calling early restrictions r****t and encouraging people to get out and socialize.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The measures were definitely draconian...

Effective though...

I shudder to think how bad it may have gotten if we had reacted differently....

America 1 Loc: South Miami

"local politicians calling early restrictions r****t and encouraging people to get out and socialize."
May as well called, get out and die.

Navigator

I guess we will know a lot better come September.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I think you guys will come out of it earlier Han that... End of May probably.. June latest....

I still worry about a second wave here...

Navigator

I was thinking by September we will have more data to determine what strategies worked best for containment, mitigation and treatment. For example, Sweden is totally open with social distancing while Denmark is shut tight. Then we look again the following September (2021) and see if Sweden's resulting herd immunity allows them to be more functional than Denmark in 2021 or will an effective v*****e make it irrelevant. A lot to be learned over the next two years.

bggamers Loc: georgia

Arent politicians just wonderful in all their stupidity. Stay safe Navigator

bggamers Loc: georgia

what are the numbers for china are you all getting all I can find for china here is 83,000 but its been that for over a month. Read where someone else in china told someone there were so many deaths they were cremating all due to volume of deaths

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Daily increases... Mostly from returnees... Some asymptomatic cases.... There was a small outbreak in Guangzhou.. But they jumped on it...

All Chinese are cremated when they did... Excepting muslims or ethnic groups who have traditionally been buried..

Cuts back on the amount of land used...