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Mar 25, 2020 19:44:25   #
plain logic
 
Kevyn wrote:
President Trump’s reluctance to use the Defense Production Act has been one of the most enduring mysteries of the coronavirus epidemic. The Defense Production Act is a 1950 law allowing the federal government to redirect vital industry for use in a crisis (primarily a war, but an epidemic would also do). Hospitals are desperately short of ventilators and respirators, and governors, doctors, and public-health officials have begged Trump to invoke the act to direct emergency production before hospital staff gets infected and patients begin dying.
Trump’s diffidence is puzzling, given his normal tendency to push presidential authority to, or well past, its constitutional limits. This is a president who claimed national-security powers to slap tariffs on steel from Canada and Mexico, and to build a border fence.
The New York Times resolves the mystery. Trump has refused to invoke the act because big business doesn’t want him to. “The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the heads of major corporations have lobbied the administration against using the act,” the Times reports. “They say the move could prove counterproductive, imposing red tape on companies precisely when they need flexibility to deal with closed borders and shuttered factories.” Trump, Lawrence Kudlow, and Jared Kushner all reportedly found these arguments persuasive.
Of course, persuading that troika does not necessarily require a solid factual basis. Kudlow is a fanatical adherent of supply-side economics whose career of wrongness has been sustained by a willingness to advance the narrow interests of the superrich. Kushner is a dilettante heir to his father’s shady construction empire. Trump is … also that, but less intelligent than Kushner.
Trump has touted the voluntary efforts of businesses to crank out emergency supplies. But Trump appears to be getting his rosy information from the firms themselves. Production is not happening fast enough, or at a high enough level, to ensure hospitals will be protected. The Times reports that Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, and other companies are producing respirator masks, the underwear masks “will be made of a three-ply underwear fabric, and do not provide the level of protection given by the N95 masks that health care workers need for intubation and other procedures.”
That isn’t the fault of the underwear-makers, who are dealing with the materials they have and trying to help. It does suggest that the administration’s policy of corporate voluntarism is being driven by the needs of business owners, not the public health.
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You've got to be taking meds from Pelosis Doctors and got a handful from Adam Schiffs medicine cabinet. Whew!!

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Mar 25, 2020 19:51:24   #
plain logic
 


As usual, all libs hear is Obstruct, never let a good crisis go to waste. They sit in a corner reading and re-reading The Cloward–Piven strategy until overload the system and obstruct is all they think about.

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Mar 25, 2020 19:57:11   #
plain logic
 
Tug484 wrote:
It isn't a lie and Tesla has done the same thing.
Why don't you check stuff out before you start saying it's a lie?


Because Kevyn lives a lie. No one ever paid attention to him. Now? every now and then someone response, he thinks he's a hit. Just my opinion.

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Mar 25, 2020 19:57:36   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Redding, CA
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I don't recall communicating with you before, but I checked back and your comments seem more intelligent then most. We aren't in fundamental disagreement on how well GM, etc. can act on the supply chain and getting parts. But a ventilator needs specialized parts and if it were just setting up an assembly line, you might be right. If it requires actually manufacturing parts from scratch and design diagrams, there are fundamental delays in the process. We both agree that they can do a hell of a job, but we don't know all of the little bits and pieces to put together a ventilator from design, to procurement, to retooling, to manufacturing, to assembly, to distribution. Time. We aren't talking days and that would just be a dream. Weeks would be a miracle and a month or longer would be more within reality. They are good and if left to get to work without interference with unnecessary regulations they might do a hell of a job. But in the end run, they just might do better with procurement assistance for the current manufacturer and maybe help with workers on their assembly. We, you and I, just don't know. but I think we can agree that if government gets out of the way, they can do it better then with government mandates.

Logically Right
I don't recall communicating with you before, but ... (show quote)




Appreciate your kind words.
It would be pointless to search areas of disagreement when the conversation is in greater agreement.
Been a lot of years since I measured the fence post.lol
I'm confident that Ford, Tesla or GM would mostly be a final assembly point. Timing will greatly depend on vendors parts and supply.
I suspect there are many existing parts that would only need to be modified intended for very different functions. As complex as the newer vehicles computers are, it wouldn't suprise me if one could be programmed and modified. As to the rest of the parts I can only hope and cheerlead that they pull off a miracle in short time.
Remember the LA earthquake that damaged several over passes and the main artery of travel? If memory serves it was in 1994 Ridgecrest region (I was still learning how to forecast earthquakes) and if memory serves, there was approximately 20+/- miles of severely damaged highway (Sana Monica highway and four other highways. We know how many years we have watched this distance of highway taken for full repair. Some smart leader offered a bonus $200,000 a day for each day ahead of signed schedule to the contractor having the fastest completion bid, while keeping the project to state and federal standards.
Again my memory is a bit foggy, but start to finish was less than a third of any normal time frame and the contractor walked away with millions in bonus.
Which ever manufacture ends up leading the way will end up with hundreds of millions in bonus $$ a pretty powerful motivation when most manufacturing is grinding to a halt.

My friend, lets see were this goes

Jack

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Mar 25, 2020 20:12:14   #
plain logic
 
silvereagle wrote:
In ww2 car makers converted over to military equipment.Whats the big deal.Let them do it again.Any company that can help should be given the go ahead


Hey, where was all this panic and propaganda during the H1N1 pandemic? Oh, that's right, it was during the reign of Obama.The first U.S. case of a new H1N1 influenza virus (also called swine flu) was detected in April 2009. The pandemic took a toll on Americans, with an estimated 60.8 million H1N1 cases and 12,469 deaths from April 2009 to April 2010. The media fired off: the sky is falling, it's Trumps virus, he invented it, quick, get a rope, build a gallows... Shut down the entire US, bankrupt the Republic, it's Trumps fault.

I never knew insanity was contagious until observing what has been going on.

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Mar 25, 2020 20:25:44   #
Tug484
 
plain logic wrote:
Because Kevyn lives a lie. No one ever paid attention to him. Now? every now and then someone response, he thinks he's a hit. Just my opinion.


That's definitely correct.
He must enjoy that bidet shooting water up his rump.

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Mar 25, 2020 20:28:37   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Redding, CA
 
plain logic wrote:
Hey, where was all this panic and propaganda during the H1N1 pandemic? Oh, that's right, it was during the reign of Obama.The first U.S. case of a new H1N1 influenza virus (also called swine flu) was detected in April 2009. The pandemic took a toll on Americans, with an estimated 60.8 million H1N1 cases and 12,469 deaths from April 2009 to April 2010. The media fired off: the sky is falling, it's Trumps virus, he invented it, quick, get a rope, build a gallows... Shut down the entire US, bankrupt the Republic, it's Trumps fault.

I never knew insanity was contagious until observing what has been going on.
Hey, where was all this panic and propaganda durin... (show quote)


You just may be right.
There is another scenario or two, one is this...why are all the governments of all nations shutting down? Jubilee? A complete financial reset?
Two...the governments are hiding the the truth and this virus has a contagious rate many times more than that of the "Swine Flu " and if not contained would have many more times the kill rate.
What would happen to America if a few million people died?
What if this is a financial global reset?

Jack

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Mar 25, 2020 21:43:21   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Appreciate your kind words.
It would be pointless to search areas of disagreement when the conversation is in greater agreement.
Been a lot of years since I measured the fence post.lol
I'm confident that Ford, Tesla or GM would mostly be a final assembly point. Timing will greatly depend on vendors parts and supply.
I suspect there are many existing parts that would only need to be modified intended for very different functions. As complex as the newer vehicles computers are, it wouldn't suprise me if one could be programmed and modified. As to the rest of the parts I can only hope and cheerlead that they pull off a miracle in short time.
Remember the LA earthquake that damaged several over passes and the main artery of travel? If memory serves it was in 1994 Ridgecrest region (I was still learning how to forecast earthquakes) and if memory serves, there was approximately 20+/- miles of severely damaged highway (Sana Monica highway and four other highways. We know how many years we have watched this distance of highway taken for full repair. Some smart leader offered a bonus $200,000 a day for each day ahead of signed schedule to the contractor having the fastest completion bid, while keeping the project to state and federal standards.
Again my memory is a bit foggy, but start to finish was less than a third of any normal time frame and the contractor walked away with millions in bonus.
Which ever manufacture ends up leading the way will end up with hundreds of millions in bonus $$ a pretty powerful motivation when most manufacturing is grinding to a halt.

My friend, lets see were this goes

Jack
Appreciate your kind words. br It would be pointl... (show quote)


We're good.

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Mar 28, 2020 19:24:32   #
jeff smith
 
Kevyn wrote:
President Trump’s reluctance to use the Defense Production Act has been one of the most enduring mysteries of the coronavirus epidemic. The Defense Production Act is a 1950 law allowing the federal government to redirect vital industry for use in a crisis (primarily a war, but an epidemic would also do). Hospitals are desperately short of ventilators and respirators, and governors, doctors, and public-health officials have begged Trump to invoke the act to direct emergency production before hospital staff gets infected and patients begin dying.
Trump’s diffidence is puzzling, given his normal tendency to push presidential authority to, or well past, its constitutional limits. This is a president who claimed national-security powers to slap tariffs on steel from Canada and Mexico, and to build a border fence.
The New York Times resolves the mystery. Trump has refused to invoke the act because big business doesn’t want him to. “The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the heads of major corporations have lobbied the administration against using the act,” the Times reports. “They say the move could prove counterproductive, imposing red tape on companies precisely when they need flexibility to deal with closed borders and shuttered factories.” Trump, Lawrence Kudlow, and Jared Kushner all reportedly found these arguments persuasive.
Of course, persuading that troika does not necessarily require a solid factual basis. Kudlow is a fanatical adherent of supply-side economics whose career of wrongness has been sustained by a willingness to advance the narrow interests of the superrich. Kushner is a dilettante heir to his father’s shady construction empire. Trump is … also that, but less intelligent than Kushner.
Trump has touted the voluntary efforts of businesses to crank out emergency supplies. But Trump appears to be getting his rosy information from the firms themselves. Production is not happening fast enough, or at a high enough level, to ensure hospitals will be protected. The Times reports that Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, and other comp anies are producing respirator masks, the underwear masks “will be made of a three-ply underwear fabric, and do not provide the level of protection given by the N95 masks that health care workers need for intubation and other procedures.”
That isn’t the fault of the underwear-makers, who are dealing with the materials they have and trying to help. It does suggest that the administration’s policy of corporate voluntarism is being driven by the needs of business owners, not the public health.
President Trump’s reluctance to use the Defense Pr... (show quote)


not only blind your a few weeks behind . already been done .

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