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Mar 25, 2020 14:31:25   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
When money is not an object and urgency is of the ultimate demand, these factories have the assets to retool and begin production in days.


Retooling itself can take weeks if not longer. My dad owned a machine shop. You need diagrams and such just to get the tool and die maker to get started. Then the materials that might be in short supply or committed elsewhere. Then cut to size and put into machines to create the parts, cut to precise specifications. Then assembled on an assembly line and arranged for packing and shipping. Then get the truckers or other delivery companies to arrive and start the shipping.

That is just a quick oversight. Poof, that magic wand just skipped that whole process and the delivery service is driving up to the hospital right now. Isn't OPP wonderful. Thanks for getting that all done so quickly.

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Mar 25, 2020 14:32:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Pariahjf wrote:
That is correct about NYC. It's also true here in Florida, and also likely to happen in Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana based on the current progression patterns. Just saying, being a realist on this thing.
That's the nature of a mutating virus. Time we Americans, all of us, got on board to fight this thing. Political differences be damned.

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Mar 25, 2020 14:35:41   #
Pariahjf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That's the nature of a mutating virus. Time we Americans, all of us, got on board to fight this thing. Political differences be damned.


Exactly. 100% agree with you. Maybe this is what this country needed...

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Mar 25, 2020 14:41:40   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Kevyn wrote:
President Trump’s reluctance to use the Defense Production Act has been one of the most enduring mysteries of the coronavirus epidemic. The Defense Production Act is a 1950 law allowing the federal government to redirect vital industry for use in a crisis (primarily a war, but an epidemic would also do). Hospitals are desperately short of ventilators and respirators, and governors, doctors, and public-health officials have begged Trump to invoke the act to direct emergency production before hospital staff gets infected and patients begin dying.
Trump’s diffidence is puzzling, given his normal tendency to push presidential authority to, or well past, its constitutional limits. This is a president who claimed national-security powers to slap tariffs on steel from Canada and Mexico, and to build a border fence.
The New York Times resolves the mystery. Trump has refused to invoke the act because big business doesn’t want him to. “The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the heads of major corporations have lobbied the administration against using the act,” the Times reports. “They say the move could prove counterproductive, imposing red tape on companies precisely when they need flexibility to deal with closed borders and shuttered factories.” Trump, Lawrence Kudlow, and Jared Kushner all reportedly found these arguments persuasive.
Of course, persuading that troika does not necessarily require a solid factual basis. Kudlow is a fanatical adherent of supply-side economics whose career of wrongness has been sustained by a willingness to advance the narrow interests of the superrich. Kushner is a dilettante heir to his father’s shady construction empire. Trump is … also that, but less intelligent than Kushner.
Trump has touted the voluntary efforts of businesses to crank out emergency supplies. But Trump appears to be getting his rosy information from the firms themselves. Production is not happening fast enough, or at a high enough level, to ensure hospitals will be protected. The Times reports that Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, and other companies are producing respirator masks, the underwear masks “will be made of a three-ply underwear fabric, and do not provide the level of protection given by the N95 masks that health care workers need for intubation and other procedures.”
That isn’t the fault of the underwear-makers, who are dealing with the materials they have and trying to help. It does suggest that the administration’s policy of corporate voluntarism is being driven by the needs of business owners, not the public health.
President Trump’s reluctance to use the Defense Pr... (show quote)


Be quiet troll! Pelosi is a pig! Time for the party of fools to disappear!

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Mar 25, 2020 14:43:09   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Redding, CA
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Retooling itself can take weeks if not longer. My dad owned a machine shop. You need diagrams and such just to get the tool and die maker to get started. Then the materials that might be in short supply or committed elsewhere. Then cut to size and put into machines to create the parts, cut to precise specifications. Then assembled on an assembly line and arranged for packing and shipping. Then get the truckers or other delivery companies to arrive and start the shipping.

That is just a quick oversight. Poof, that magic wand just skipped that whole process and the delivery service is driving up to the hospital right now. Isn't OPP wonderful. Thanks for getting that all done so quickly.
Retooling itself can take weeks if not longer. My ... (show quote)


Nearly 40 years dealing with Ford, GM and multiple other manufacturers I can assure you a blazing quick turnaround. A ventilator is child's play next to retooling for auto's. These guys are our worlds experts at supply chain and can get parts to assemble from vendors and retool . Their assets dwarf just about anything else in the world when it comes to these things.

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Mar 25, 2020 14:43:34   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Wrong as usual. Normally you aren't worth responding to, but I am responding to correct an utter falsehood. GM is in talks with Ventec Life Systems in Washington for about a week. They are offering their expertise in supply chains and production lines. It might be to difficult to reduce an automobile production line for a small device like that, but they are looking into it. So, Kevyn, as usual your statements are lies and not worth responding to.


They still owe us for the ovomit bailout! Free ventilators! Installed with new Chevy

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Mar 25, 2020 15:53:05   #
Abraham50
 
EmilyD wrote:
Do you think they can just drop everything and start making things immediately? That they have not actually started production does NOT mean that they are not already working on it. The two companies are having meetings, calling in company experts, designing the product and will most likely begin production very soon. That's what Trump meant. Typical liberal spin....amazing!


Yea you people always have to tell us what Trump meant, why is that ?? Nice try though !!

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Mar 25, 2020 15:54:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Abraham50 wrote:
Yea you people always have to tell us what Trump meant, why is that ?? Nice try though !!
Most likely because you lefty progs are too damned dumb to understand what he meant.

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Mar 25, 2020 16:02:42   #
Abraham50
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Most likely because you lefty progs are too damned dumb to understand what he meant.


You should just say what you mean, and mean what you say, but you have to tell me all the time what he meant. Why is that ??

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Mar 25, 2020 16:13:03   #
Tug484
 
jim_shipley wrote:
Just note that the dem Leader Nancy took and extended vacation in the middle of the worst crisis in her lifetime.


She was in Hawaii the last time there was a problem.
She doesn't care about citizens.
She's purely political for her side.

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Mar 25, 2020 16:15:42   #
Pariahjf
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That's the nature of a mutating virus. Time we Americans, all of us, got on board to fight this thing. Political differences be damned.


Over 1600 confirmed cases in FL now...

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Mar 25, 2020 16:53:09   #
EmilyD
 
Abraham50 wrote:
Yea you people always have to tell us what Trump meant, why is that ?? Nice try though !!

Well, you feel like you have to tell us what he said...too bad all you can tell are lies.

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Mar 25, 2020 16:56:07   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Abraham50 wrote:
You should just say what you mean, and mean what you say, but you have to tell me all the time what he meant. Why is that ??
Did they have to burn down the school to get you out of 3rd grade?

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Mar 25, 2020 19:04:44   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Nearly 40 years dealing with Ford, GM and multiple other manufacturers I can assure you a blazing quick turnaround. A ventilator is child's play next to retooling for auto's. These guys are our worlds experts at supply chain and can get parts to assemble from vendors and retool . Their assets dwarf just about anything else in the world when it comes to these things.


I don't recall communicating with you before, but I checked back and your comments seem more intelligent then most. We aren't in fundamental disagreement on how well GM, etc. can act on the supply chain and getting parts. But a ventilator needs specialized parts and if it were just setting up an assembly line, you might be right. If it requires actually manufacturing parts from scratch and design diagrams, there are fundamental delays in the process. We both agree that they can do a hell of a job, but we don't know all of the little bits and pieces to put together a ventilator from design, to procurement, to retooling, to manufacturing, to assembly, to distribution. Time. We aren't talking days and that would just be a dream. Weeks would be a miracle and a month or longer would be more within reality. They are good and if left to get to work without interference with unnecessary regulations they might do a hell of a job. But in the end run, they just might do better with procurement assistance for the current manufacturer and maybe help with workers on their assembly. We, you and I, just don't know. but I think we can agree that if government gets out of the way, they can do it better then with government mandates.

Logically Right

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Mar 25, 2020 19:23:07   #
DaWg44
 
EmilyD wrote:
So? Does that mean they won't start doing what they said they were going to do? I doubt it.

I see you registered today. Are you a troll?


Emily,
These devices have to be built in “white” sterile rooms. I have worked in both of those plants, they have to do a lot of cleaning & probably will have to build rooms inside the plant with special ventilation systems.

They would not be doing this cleaning if they were not committing the plants to produce ventilators, what other kinds of machines needed.

It is sad that some people find joy in negativity, w/o even having a clue about what they are talking about.

Stay safe, stay positive.

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