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Mar 15, 2020 06:21:48   #
American Vet
 
maximus wrote:
I heard Trump call for unification of the parties, to stop the bickering, and to work together to fight this virus. Trump invited...nobody came.


And that shows the mindset of democrats: They are interested in one thing only - bring down President Trump and get themselves in power.

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Mar 15, 2020 06:27:31   #
drlarrygino
 
billy a wrote:
Thanks , C.D. - most of us have been flying in the dark...and doing a pretty good job with what little we have ( virus-data and certain supplies ). I'm in South Florida , where hurricanes come to call. Many of us are of the mindset of preparedness. However , the new behavior is a little hard to adapt to. "Social Distancing" they call it. Touching others , constant hand-washing ( what do I do when I get home and have to remove my shoes? ) ,
and cancellations.
Conspiracy theories have sprung up ...(population-control ,weaponry ) and of course the blaming of one man for the whole thing.
Yesterday the President announced a very practical union of the private and public sectors to develop and distribute relief. I have a new pride in my country. Many restrictions on the medical community have been lifted , and a lot of bureaucracy has been shoved aside to get this aid on the streets.
Let the blame-game come when the storm has passed... The how's and why's don't matter TODAY. Americans have been listening to political bullshit for almost four years, now.
I've got bigger problems TODAY. But I'm taking notes...
God Bless you and yours , Brother.
Thanks , C.D. - most of us have been flying in the... (show quote)


Most people are clueless about bacteria and viruses. Pathogens are around us constantly. They are in the air, on our skin and even reside in our bodies. You can clean, scrub, rinse and use disinfectants all you want but it is useless as pathogens will still exist. Why do some people get sick and others do not. It has to do with a person's immune system. A strong immune ststem keeps one healthy and immune to most diseases. Think health not disease

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Mar 15, 2020 07:00:26   #
jSmitty45
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
My wife just drew my attention to the news... It was FOX, but I didn't recognize which show...

They interviewed a young woman in Washington state who contacted the virus... She reported it on February 25 the and didn't get her results back until earlier this week... A two week period...

Regardless... That's not my point...

They went on to report that there are 457 cases in Washington State with 31 deaths to date...

That's a 7% mortality rate... Which is more than twice the rate the rest of the world is experiencing...

Which leads to two possibilities..

1. The American healthcare system sucks..

2. There are more than twice the number of infected people than is being reported...

The first is a possibility...

But the second is frightening...

Quit your bickering and pull together...

No more of this bullshit trying to sneak crap into bills meant to fight the coronavirus...

No more idiotic finger pointing at Trump or Obama...

No more...

My prayers for all... God bless...
My wife just drew my attention to the news... It ... (show quote)



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Mar 15, 2020 07:01:29   #
jSmitty45
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Our heath system does not suck. But, in places where there is a high homeless rate, like Washington and California, many illnesses go unreported. You may notice that states with sanctuary cities will have a few things in common; homelessness, higher unemployment, drug abuse, deaths from unknown pathogens, and disease that include a wide range of bacteria and virus.

To solve the problem, those cities need to stop using illegals, clinically insane, or other homeless people as propaganda machines for elections. If they are going to declare themselves as a sanctuary then they must find in their own budget safety nets that include housing, food, medical screening and treatment, and a method for obtaining meaningful employment. This is the only way forward for those cities. As it is, homeless people defecate on the streets, do not have facilities to bathe or wash clothing, and many do not wash even their hands. If they come in contact with a disease, they share it...not just with other homeless, but with well meaning people who give them money. Recall, the coronavirus can live for hours on stainless steel, imagine how long it can live on silver or paper money. That money, now contaminated, gives a dose of disease to storekeepers as the homeless infected buy their soda and beer, the shop keeper in turn shares it with customers as the contaminated money is given as change. Those people go home, sharing the disease with each individual they shake hands and reaching home, they share it with family and friends. Not everyone will get sick, some develop asymptomatic infection and becomes a Typhoid Mary.

Right now, those cities should be put under strict quarantine until the disease becomes manageable with pharmaceuticals or mutates into a form that average people can fight. In the meantime, get the homeless into more sanitary conditions.

The House seem to use every bill to get their pet legislation passed. I think bills should never have "add ons" or unrelated request for funding.
Our heath system does not suck. But, in places wh... (show quote)


Amen, and amen!

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Mar 15, 2020 07:24:41   #
Bosty Loc: South jersey
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Our healthcare system, under ovommitcare, really does $UCK. The reason is, it is not healthcare but is "sick care". The whole system needs revamped with a new model of "health care" orientation and not "sick care" orientation. Implementation of strategies to keep one from getting ill and staying healthy should be the model. Those not adhering to the model would pay much higher premiums.




Brilliant, unfortunately never happen.
To much common sense.

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Mar 15, 2020 07:26:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Bosty wrote:
Brilliant, unfortunately never happen.
To much common sense.


Brilliant?

Sounds like more interference from the government...

Who gets to decide what the model would be?

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Mar 15, 2020 07:50:14   #
drlarrygino
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Brilliant?

Sounds like more interference from the government...

Who gets to decide what the model would be?


The allopathic model has come up short on eradicating disease and promoting health. The model needs replaced with a new model. The model would include wellness docs, alternative medicine docs, holistic docs, acupuncturists, herbalists and some sharp allopaths. No government lackeys would be needed. No bloated beaurocracies would be tolerated. The guidelines would be set by the docs, not the know nothing unlicensed in medicine beaurocrats and their attorney friends. The health model not the sick model would be encouraged.

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Mar 15, 2020 07:55:48   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
drlarrygino wrote:
The allopathic model has come up short on eradicating disease and promoting health. The model needs replaced with a new model. The model would include wellness docs, alternative medicine docs, holistic docs, acupuncturists, herbalists and some sharp allopaths. No government lackeys would be needed. No bloated beaurocracies would be tolerated. The guidelines would be set by the docs, not the know nothing unlicensed in medicine beaurocrats and their attorney friends. The health model not the sick model would be encouraged.
The allopathic model has come up short on eradicat... (show quote)


How would it be enforced?

And you've included six separate fields... Making it infinitely more complicated to set s "standard"...

How about we let people choose and pay for their own medical care? That sounds simple and has little government interference...

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Mar 15, 2020 07:59:17   #
drlarrygino
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How would it be enforced?

And you've included six separate fields... Making it infinitely more complicated to set s "standard"...

How about we let people choose and pay for their own medical care? That sounds simple and has little government interference...


That could be a working plan too. I'm not opposed to that model. The exorbitant cost of sick care must stop however.

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Mar 15, 2020 08:20:33   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
drlarrygino wrote:
That could be a working plan too. I'm not opposed to that model. The exorbitant cost of sick care must stop however.


That's where the government could come in...

Regulate drug prices and force hospitals to openly post their prices...

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Mar 15, 2020 08:22:31   #
PZG1225 Loc: Florida
 
American Vet wrote:
Is Washington state the place where the group of elderly people died in the nursing home?


Yes. That's we why the numbers were so high.

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Mar 15, 2020 08:25:10   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
PZG1225 wrote:
Yes. That's we why the numbers were so high.


Long time... Welcome back

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Mar 15, 2020 08:55:55   #
PZG1225 Loc: Florida
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Long time... Welcome back


Thanks much!

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Mar 15, 2020 09:06:55   #
byronglimish Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Our heath system does not suck. But, in places where there is a high homeless rate, like Washington and California, many illnesses go unreported. You may notice that states with sanctuary cities will have a few things in common; homelessness, higher unemployment, drug abuse, deaths from unknown pathogens, and disease that include a wide range of bacteria and virus.

To solve the problem, those cities need to stop using illegals, clinically insane, or other homeless people as propaganda machines for elections. If they are going to declare themselves as a sanctuary then they must find in their own budget safety nets that include housing, food, medical screening and treatment, and a method for obtaining meaningful employment. This is the only way forward for those cities. As it is, homeless people defecate on the streets, do not have facilities to bathe or wash clothing, and many do not wash even their hands. If they come in contact with a disease, they share it...not just with other homeless, but with well meaning people who give them money. Recall, the coronavirus can live for hours on stainless steel, imagine how long it can live on silver or paper money. That money, now contaminated, gives a dose of disease to storekeepers as the homeless infected buy their soda and beer, the shop keeper in turn shares it with customers as the contaminated money is given as change. Those people go home, sharing the disease with each individual they shake hands and reaching home, they share it with family and friends. Not everyone will get sick, some develop asymptomatic infection and becomes a Typhoid Mary.

Right now, those cities should be put under strict quarantine until the disease becomes manageable with pharmaceuticals or mutates into a form that average people can fight. In the meantime, get the homeless into more sanitary conditions.

The House seem to use every bill to get their pet legislation passed. I think bills should never have "add ons" or unrelated request for funding.
Our heath system does not suck. But, in places wh... (show quote)



Per usual, you make good sense.

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Mar 15, 2020 09:36:36   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How would it be enforced?

And you've included six separate fields... Making it infinitely more complicated to set s "standard"...

How about we let people choose and pay for their own medical care? That sounds simple and has little government interference...


Before obamacare people did pick and choose their medical care whether private or through an employerโ€™s plan...Pricing was much better with better coverage, less huge deductibles and choosing your own Drs etc..

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