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Feb 26, 2020 00:06:26   #
JW
 
Bosty wrote:
Do the democrats have this information?


I think the Democrats are operating with a store close-out mentality. If the country is going out of business, grab what you can now and run.

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Feb 26, 2020 00:08:29   #
JW
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Outstanding!


Thank you, I try... sometimes it clicks.

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Feb 26, 2020 08:55:08   #
Patriot1
 
Well said. Your analogy should be published in every newspaper. Although they might rewrite it to their interests. And who reads newspapers anyway? Old news.

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Feb 26, 2020 09:02:21   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Patriot1 wrote:
Well said. Your analogy should be published in every newspaper. Although they might rewrite it to their interests. And who reads newspapers anyway? Old news.


Send it to Trump snd your reps, I did...

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Feb 26, 2020 09:42:29   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)


This is great! Do you think some of our l*****ts will respond? Come on Kevyn.

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Feb 26, 2020 10:58:16   #
F.D.R.
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)


The flaw in your ointment shows up in the first paragraph, once a tax is put in place it never goes away. Federal income tax was to pay for WWI and then go away.

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Feb 26, 2020 11:03:59   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
F.D.R. wrote:
The flaw in your ointment shows up in the first paragraph, once a tax is put in place it never goes away. Federal income tax was to pay for WWI and then go away.



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Feb 26, 2020 14:49:21   #
JW
 
F.D.R. wrote:
The flaw in your ointment shows up in the first paragraph, once a tax is put in place it never goes away. Federal income tax was to pay for WWI and then go away.


Once more, you need to read the whole piece. I am aware that taxes never go away but the piece is supposed to reflect an awakening. If you don't have the time to read the whole piece, read the title and the last two paragraphs. You'll get the point.

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Feb 26, 2020 16:31:58   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
hdjimv wrote:
There is a way around all of that! Don't v**e for Democrats.


Yes, we already have $23.2 trillion dollar debt.

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Feb 26, 2020 16:38:23   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Okay, let's start with the stupid first.
Student loans forgiveness...sure that's fair.
So there is no difference between owing Harvard 500k, or 50k to a state school?
How is that fair OR just.
It's not, and neither is anything else of your bolshevik hero.


Everything is stupid (and I did read to the bottom so?) especially Bernie, he gets any foreign affairs crisis and chokes. TV will say Bolshevik when you look at his policies and compare them to socialist, no. Compare to Marxist, bingo!

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Feb 26, 2020 16:42:52   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
JW wrote:
I think the Democrats are operating with a store close-out mentality. If the country is going out of business, grab what you can now and run.


Only problem there is the dimocraps actually believe it, we're still doing okay. This p******c (black swan event) was predicted.

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Feb 26, 2020 16:44:40   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
amadjuster wrote:
This is great! Do you think some of our l*****ts will respond? Come on Kevyn.


Have you noticed? Crickets.

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Feb 26, 2020 19:56:43   #
DM
 
JW: YOU have to be kidding! Nothing with Socialism works and you may have a good story but trust
me, no DECENT AMERICAN is going to v**e for Bernie. No one! "The story" of Socialism.....it is
governmental OWNERSHIP AND DON'T FORGET IT! The Gov't takes care of the production...takes
care of the distribution...If this fantastic plan by a guy who has 3 over millions dollar houses, will
"we" all have that? Don't kid yourself! A Gov't who GIVE YOU EVERYTHING CAN ALSO TAKE EVERYTHING
AWAY FROM YOU. You aren't aware of the people trying to get to America that is a REPUBLIC AS THEY
ARE ESCAPING SOCIALISM? WAKE UP AND ANYONE FALLING FOR THE LUNATICS ON THE DEMOCRATIC
STORY ON TV LAST NIGHT HAS TO BE DRUNK, TOTALLY IGNORANT AND NOT JUST QUITE RIGHT!
Socialism is where EVERYONE IS EQUAL...WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE THOSE THREE MILLIONS DOLLAR
HOMES THAT BERNIE HAS. Lots of people are slowly led to a slaughter..you follow him...you will
be slaughtered. Everyone shares equally in Socialism. You can't be that stupid to think that is going to
work.

Let me tell you a story of socialism. You have two sons. You have a bathroom that needs cleaning. You
tell one son...Hey, I'll give you $10.00 to clean the bathroom. Well, no dumb child will pass that up..
(whether he does a fantastic job or not.) He does it. The father says, wonderful, here is the $10.00
and give your brother $7.00. What? He didn't do anything! Welcome my Dear Son to SOCIALISM!
Enough said? END OF STORY. There can't be that many dumb or really stupid Americans to fall
for a Bernie clown. He tried over 200? times to pass something in Congress...he passed TWO!
Now, you want someone like that clown running our country that is "RECOVERING" FROM THE
LAST CLOWN WHO PROMISED TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA AND HE DID...America won't
fall for a fast talker like that anymore. KEEP AMERICA GREAT WITH TRUMP.

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Feb 26, 2020 22:49:15   #
JW
 
DM wrote:
JW: YOU have to be kidding! Nothing with Socialism works and you may have a good story but trust
me, no DECENT AMERICAN is going to v**e for Bernie. No one! "The story" of Socialism.....it is
governmental OWNERSHIP AND DON'T FORGET IT! The Gov't takes care of the production...takes
care of the distribution...If this fantastic plan by a guy who has 3 over millions dollar houses, will
"we" all have that? Don't kid yourself! A Gov't who GIVE YOU EVERYTHING CAN ALSO TAKE EVERYTHING
AWAY FROM YOU. You aren't aware of the people trying to get to America that is a REPUBLIC AS THEY
ARE ESCAPING SOCIALISM? WAKE UP AND ANYONE FALLING FOR THE LUNATICS ON THE DEMOCRATIC
STORY ON TV LAST NIGHT HAS TO BE DRUNK, TOTALLY IGNORANT AND NOT JUST QUITE RIGHT!
Socialism is where EVERYONE IS EQUAL...WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE THOSE THREE MILLIONS DOLLAR
HOMES THAT BERNIE HAS. Lots of people are slowly led to a slaughter..you follow him...you will
be slaughtered. Everyone shares equally in Socialism. You can't be that stupid to think that is going to
work.

Let me tell you a story of socialism. You have two sons. You have a bathroom that needs cleaning. You
tell one son...Hey, I'll give you $10.00 to clean the bathroom. Well, no dumb child will pass that up..
(whether he does a fantastic job or not.) He does it. The father says, wonderful, here is the $10.00
and give your brother $7.00. What? He didn't do anything! Welcome my Dear Son to SOCIALISM!
Enough said? END OF STORY. There can't be that many dumb or really stupid Americans to fall
for a Bernie clown. He tried over 200? times to pass something in Congress...he passed TWO!
Now, you want someone like that clown running our country that is "RECOVERING" FROM THE
LAST CLOWN WHO PROMISED TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA AND HE DID...America won't
fall for a fast talker like that anymore. KEEP AMERICA GREAT WITH TRUMP.
JW: YOU have to be kidding! Nothing with Socialism... (show quote)



Read it again... this time, all the way to the bottom.

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Feb 26, 2020 22:53:22   #
JW
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Only problem there is the dimocraps actually believe it, we're still doing okay. This p******c (black swan event) was predicted.


I think they just don't care what happens to this country. They really think we're no different than anyone else. They just don't understand what we have here... and it's NOT just like everyone else!

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