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Feb 25, 2020 01:58:30   #
JW
 
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…

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Feb 25, 2020 04:19:27   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)


Outstanding!

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Feb 25, 2020 06:16:30   #
American Vet
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)



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Feb 25, 2020 08:19:26   #
Bosty Loc: South jersey
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)



Do the democrats have this information?

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Feb 25, 2020 08:36:38   #
American Vet
 
Bosty wrote:
Do the democrats have this information?



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Feb 25, 2020 09:04:01   #
hdjimv Loc: South Dakota
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)


There is a way around all of that! Don't v**e for Democrats.

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Feb 25, 2020 09:09:41   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)


Bravo!!!! Well done and rather amazing in delivery!!!

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Feb 25, 2020 09:12:12   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Bosty wrote:
Do the democrats have this information?


I doubt they care~~ doesn’t fit their agenda although I wish they did have it and could comprehend the t***h in it...

Socialism/c*******m hadn’t worked in any other countries and they should certainly know that, yet~~~~~~

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Feb 25, 2020 09:13:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
hdjimv wrote:
There is a way around all of that! Don't v**e for Democrats.



So practical~~ lololl 👍👍

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Feb 25, 2020 09:26:42   #
hdjimv Loc: South Dakota
 
lindajoy wrote:
So practical~~ lololl 👍👍


The best solutions are sometimes the simplest ones!

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Feb 25, 2020 09:39:36   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
hdjimv wrote:
The best solutions are sometimes the simplest ones!


Very, very true!! 👏🏻👏🏻

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Feb 25, 2020 15:09:47   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
JW wrote:
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform as impossible due to the cost of his programs. There is a way it can be made to work. Here is how:

Start with the student loan forgiveness program. It would only cost about 1.5 trillion dollars and while that is substantial, it t***slates to just over $20,000.00 tax obligation for the average family of four or about $5,000.00 from every man, woman and child, citizen, of the United States. That is not an insurmountable obstacle and it would only be a temporary additional tax to be lifted when the debt is retired.

Then, there is the Medicare for all program, That is figured to cost about $10,000,000,000,000 per year. That would increase the tax load. An annual estimate figures to be about $120,000.00 per family of four or $30,000.00 per individual. Unfortunately, that would be a permanent additional tax.

This creates a bit of a problem. The bulk of the population, where most of the money is, doesn’t earn that much individually and taking everything the people earn could not be sustained for long, even if the government would provide food and housing at no cost for everyone.

There is a way around that.

The reason the cost is so high is due to two things, the salaries paid to upper level health care workers, doctors and such, and the cost associated with medical diagnostics. Since the government would be in control of the medical businesses, from innovation to execution, the government can reduce the amount paid to the people providing those services, just as they do now for Medicare patients’ billings. They can do that for all of the people’s medical bills. That would reduce considerably the total annual cost of healthcare.

That creates a bit of a problem. The people who are attracted to the healthcare field are so attracted for basically one of two reasons; the high earnings potential and the desire to help people. It is probable that those looking for high earnings would seek it elsewhere. So, we would face a likely shortage of doctors and other medical personnel.

There is a way around that.

The government could establish a national wage scale for all professions and jobs just like Germany and other European nations do. https://eutraining.eu/salary-calculator
It is similar to how wages for US government and military positions are determined. That would likely result in more people selecting for the higher paid positions in all businesses since all would then be regulated.

That creates a bit of a problem. Earning potential is also limited under that system. Every individual would know in advance exactly what his or her potential benefit would be and they could structure their education and training according to their financial desires, although that also creates a bit of a problem. It tends to create a class conscious society.

There is a way around that.

Government education can instill in children the knowledge and ideology of gaining for society from those most able to produce and public support for those unable to produce sufficiently. That fits well with a class conscious society because it establishes a clear set of expectations in every child and they can, early in their youth, recognize their place in a successfully and efficiently structured society.

That creates a bit of a problem. Under that system, it has been shown that inspiration, dedication and innovation all suffer. The system is called socialism and it has never worked successfully anywhere in the world where it has been tried and it has been tried all over the world.

There doesn’t seem to be any way around that…
A lot of people are condemning Bernie’s platform a... (show quote)


Okay, let's start with the stupid first.
Student loans forgiveness...sure that's fair.
So there is no difference between owing Harvard 500k, or 50k to a state school?
How is that fair OR just.
It's not, and neither is anything else of your bolshevik hero.

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Feb 26, 2020 00:02:08   #
JW
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Okay, let's start with the stupid first.
Student loans forgiveness...sure that's fair.
So there is no difference between owing Harvard 500k, or 50k to a state school?
How is that fair OR just.
It's not, and neither is anything else of your bolshevik hero.


You should have read it all the way to the bottom...

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Feb 26, 2020 00:03:44   #
JW
 
lindajoy wrote:
Bravo!!!! Well done and rather amazing in delivery!!!


Thank you. I hope it makes the point to everyone.

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Feb 26, 2020 00:04:13   #
JW
 
hdjimv wrote:
There is a way around all of that! Don't v**e for Democrats.


True, but that seems to be the only way.

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