What the Political Leaders Dare Not Say About Pete Buttigieg
Feb 16, 2020 13:28:51 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
[quote=jSmitty45][quote=no propaganda please]I Will Say What the Political Leaders Cannot Say About Pete Buttigieg
Posted Feb 11, 2020 by Michael L. Brown
It is certainly politically incorrect to say this. In fact, in the eyes of many, what I’m about to say is a classic example of extreme religious bigotry. But I will say it nonetheless. Choosing an out and proud “married” gay man to run for president, let alone become president, would contribute to the further degeneration and moral confusion of our society along with further attacks on our most fundamental rights.
When I tweeted this statement out on February 8, it received far more retweets and likes than my average tweet. Far more. So, it obviously struck a chord. The support was strong and consistent.
Also, as expected, there were words of condemnation and rebuke, including this tweet from Bible teacher Gilbert Gonzalez Jr. He wrote: “Please tell me this tweet is from a different century. There is no way that anyone today that has any education would ever write something so generally uninformed, childish, and biblically ignorant. This is why people don’t take Christianity seriously. Its leaders refuse to learn.”
Obviously, I fully expected responses like this. That’s why I began my tweet by saying, “Call me a h********c bigot, but I'll say it anyway.”
What else could I expect? The moment you say a word about Mayor Pete being “married” to another man, all while flaunting his deep Christian faith, you will be called a h********c bigot.
So be it. I’ve been called worse things than that.
Come to think of it, Jesus Himself, our perfect Savior, was called far worse things.
And He told us to expect the same: “It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul [basically, the devil himself], how much more the members of his household!”
According to Prof. Randall Rauser, however, to call me a h********c bigot is not out of line. (Prof. Rauser is a moderate Canadian evangelical and a constant basher of President Trump.) As he wrote in his blog, “Behavior and reasoning like this provide very plausible evidence that Christians like Brown have an irrational fear of and/or antipathy toward gay people.”
Indeed, according to Prof. Rauser, “Evangelicals like Brown fall over themselves to excuse Trump’s grotesque immorality. . . . Among his latest egregious actions, last week he mocked the words of Jesus at the National Prayer Breakfast while evangelical pastors laughed in the audience.”
But that’s where Prof. Rauser misses the point, as do Gilbert Gonzalez and other critics. (See also this excellent response to Rauser by Steve Hayes.)
First, I have never excused the president’s past immorality. In fact, I probably called attention to it as much as any evangelical leader during the primaries. To say, I “fall over [myself] to excuse Trump’s grotesque immorality” is to speak a lie.
Second, to this day, like a broken record, I draw attention to aspects of the president’s behavior that I find destructive and harmful. In fact, shortly after the National Prayer Breakfast, I wrote an article addressing the very issues Prof. Rauser mentioned regarding Trump’s response to the words of Jesus.
So, to brand me hypocritical for speaking out against Mayor Pete’s proud homosexuality is to be either misinformed, dishonest, or both.
But there is a much bigger issue that the critics are missing.
President Trump is not flaunting his past immorality, nor is he pushing it presently. Instead, when the ugly tape of his lewd comments went public, he said, “I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize . . . . I pledge to be a better man tomorrow and will never, ever let you down.”
In stark contrast, Mayor Pete has talked about how his homosexual relationship to his “husband” Chasten has brought him closer to God. He has kissed his partner at public rallies. He is pushing his homosexuality, not apologizing for it.
You better believe that he will do everything in his power to normalize homosexual relationships even more in the eyes of America. He will also do his best to marginalize those who are convinced that these relationships are contrary to the will of God.
And this leads me to the primary reason for my tweet (and for this article).
It is not so much that homosexual practice is worse than adultery or fornication. Rather, it is the fact that there is an aggressive, gay agenda that has systematically undermined biblical morals for decades. It has also sought to silence all dissenting voices, becoming the principle threat to our religious and moral freedoms.
That’s why I’ve been active in resisting L**T activism since 2004, reaching out to individuals with compassion but resisting the agenda with courage.
And so, it is not the people whom I oppose. (God forbid. I’ve made that clear hundreds, if not thousands of times.) It is not even homosexual acts which primarily concern me (although issues of health and safety should not be ignored.)
It is an aggressive agenda that I oppose, one that I and others have tracked carefully for many years. (See already the important 2003 volume by Alan Sears and Craig Osten, The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today.)
It is an agenda that would only be fueled with great intensity by an out and proud gay president.
And so, just as President Obama’s administration pushed radical t***s activism on our nation’s schools, under severe penalties, things would only intensify under a president who would flaunt his “husband” being the country’s first “First Gentleman.”
In the end, this has nothing to do with having “an irrational fear of and/or antipathy toward gay people.” (How is it that Christian leaders end up repeating the world’s talking points?)
Instead, it has everything to do with recognizing where gay activism has taken us in the last 50+ years and recognizing where it wants to take us next.
I, for one, will continue to sound the alarm in advance.
Things are confused enough already. We don’t need to make things any worse.
Calling me a h********c bigot will only avoid dealing with the real issues at hand.
We avoid them to our own demise.[/quote
👍👍👍👍[/quote]
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion and there are millions who agree with you. NOW the other shoe drops your right there are going to be a slight tornado that you will have to brave for voicing your opinion but hey we have your back
Posted Feb 11, 2020 by Michael L. Brown
It is certainly politically incorrect to say this. In fact, in the eyes of many, what I’m about to say is a classic example of extreme religious bigotry. But I will say it nonetheless. Choosing an out and proud “married” gay man to run for president, let alone become president, would contribute to the further degeneration and moral confusion of our society along with further attacks on our most fundamental rights.
When I tweeted this statement out on February 8, it received far more retweets and likes than my average tweet. Far more. So, it obviously struck a chord. The support was strong and consistent.
Also, as expected, there were words of condemnation and rebuke, including this tweet from Bible teacher Gilbert Gonzalez Jr. He wrote: “Please tell me this tweet is from a different century. There is no way that anyone today that has any education would ever write something so generally uninformed, childish, and biblically ignorant. This is why people don’t take Christianity seriously. Its leaders refuse to learn.”
Obviously, I fully expected responses like this. That’s why I began my tweet by saying, “Call me a h********c bigot, but I'll say it anyway.”
What else could I expect? The moment you say a word about Mayor Pete being “married” to another man, all while flaunting his deep Christian faith, you will be called a h********c bigot.
So be it. I’ve been called worse things than that.
Come to think of it, Jesus Himself, our perfect Savior, was called far worse things.
And He told us to expect the same: “It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul [basically, the devil himself], how much more the members of his household!”
According to Prof. Randall Rauser, however, to call me a h********c bigot is not out of line. (Prof. Rauser is a moderate Canadian evangelical and a constant basher of President Trump.) As he wrote in his blog, “Behavior and reasoning like this provide very plausible evidence that Christians like Brown have an irrational fear of and/or antipathy toward gay people.”
Indeed, according to Prof. Rauser, “Evangelicals like Brown fall over themselves to excuse Trump’s grotesque immorality. . . . Among his latest egregious actions, last week he mocked the words of Jesus at the National Prayer Breakfast while evangelical pastors laughed in the audience.”
But that’s where Prof. Rauser misses the point, as do Gilbert Gonzalez and other critics. (See also this excellent response to Rauser by Steve Hayes.)
First, I have never excused the president’s past immorality. In fact, I probably called attention to it as much as any evangelical leader during the primaries. To say, I “fall over [myself] to excuse Trump’s grotesque immorality” is to speak a lie.
Second, to this day, like a broken record, I draw attention to aspects of the president’s behavior that I find destructive and harmful. In fact, shortly after the National Prayer Breakfast, I wrote an article addressing the very issues Prof. Rauser mentioned regarding Trump’s response to the words of Jesus.
So, to brand me hypocritical for speaking out against Mayor Pete’s proud homosexuality is to be either misinformed, dishonest, or both.
But there is a much bigger issue that the critics are missing.
President Trump is not flaunting his past immorality, nor is he pushing it presently. Instead, when the ugly tape of his lewd comments went public, he said, “I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don’t reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize . . . . I pledge to be a better man tomorrow and will never, ever let you down.”
In stark contrast, Mayor Pete has talked about how his homosexual relationship to his “husband” Chasten has brought him closer to God. He has kissed his partner at public rallies. He is pushing his homosexuality, not apologizing for it.
You better believe that he will do everything in his power to normalize homosexual relationships even more in the eyes of America. He will also do his best to marginalize those who are convinced that these relationships are contrary to the will of God.
And this leads me to the primary reason for my tweet (and for this article).
It is not so much that homosexual practice is worse than adultery or fornication. Rather, it is the fact that there is an aggressive, gay agenda that has systematically undermined biblical morals for decades. It has also sought to silence all dissenting voices, becoming the principle threat to our religious and moral freedoms.
That’s why I’ve been active in resisting L**T activism since 2004, reaching out to individuals with compassion but resisting the agenda with courage.
And so, it is not the people whom I oppose. (God forbid. I’ve made that clear hundreds, if not thousands of times.) It is not even homosexual acts which primarily concern me (although issues of health and safety should not be ignored.)
It is an aggressive agenda that I oppose, one that I and others have tracked carefully for many years. (See already the important 2003 volume by Alan Sears and Craig Osten, The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today.)
It is an agenda that would only be fueled with great intensity by an out and proud gay president.
And so, just as President Obama’s administration pushed radical t***s activism on our nation’s schools, under severe penalties, things would only intensify under a president who would flaunt his “husband” being the country’s first “First Gentleman.”
In the end, this has nothing to do with having “an irrational fear of and/or antipathy toward gay people.” (How is it that Christian leaders end up repeating the world’s talking points?)
Instead, it has everything to do with recognizing where gay activism has taken us in the last 50+ years and recognizing where it wants to take us next.
I, for one, will continue to sound the alarm in advance.
Things are confused enough already. We don’t need to make things any worse.
Calling me a h********c bigot will only avoid dealing with the real issues at hand.
We avoid them to our own demise.[/quote
👍👍👍👍[/quote]
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion and there are millions who agree with you. NOW the other shoe drops your right there are going to be a slight tornado that you will have to brave for voicing your opinion but hey we have your back
Feb 16, 2020 13:41:18 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Choosing an out and proud “married” gay man to run for president, let alone become president, would contribute to the further degeneration and moral confusion of our society along with further attacks on our most fundamental rights.
But electing an all out pig of a man who openly denigrated women for their looks, or talked about being able to do wh**ever you wanted to them if you have money and fame, that's okay?
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
Feb 16, 2020 14:31:45 #
woodguru wrote:
But electing an all out pig of a man who openly denigrated women for their looks, or talked about being able to do wh**ever you wanted to them if you have money and fame, that's okay?
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
You mean you’ll take the facade of respectability and one who openly mocks God. Buttigeig would be a disaster for the country. You are blind to his facade because he’s not Trump
Feb 16, 2020 18:23:47 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
woodguru wrote:
But electing an all out pig of a man who openly denigrated women for their looks, or talked about being able to do wh**ever you wanted to them if you have money and fame, that's okay?
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
wood get a life he made that remark in a gym years ago I h**e to tell you how they talk about women there that and who set that up so they could record it
Feb 16, 2020 18:52:12 #
Kevyn wrote:
A dimwited jerk who thinks he is some kind of omniscient psychologist is really just a friggin' Omnipsycho.To quote Shakespeare “me thinks the lady doth prot... (show quote)
Feb 16, 2020 19:10:51 #
no propaganda please wrote:
Considering the self-absorbed and immoral lifestyle of this particular candidate, God forbid he ever become the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces.I Will Say What the Political Leaders Cannot Say A... (show quote)
Feb 16, 2020 19:13:49 #
Wolf counselor wrote:
The term "h********c", implies that one has a fear of a f*ggot.
In that case, I'm definitely NOT h********c.
Because I remain unafraid of a f*ggot.
And furthermore, if it were left up to me I would also NOT be afraid to round their d*****t carcasses up and ship them off to Siberia.
America has already had a f*ggot for a president.
His name is Barack Obammy
In that case, I'm definitely NOT h********c.
Because I remain unafraid of a f*ggot.
And furthermore, if it were left up to me I would also NOT be afraid to round their d*****t carcasses up and ship them off to Siberia.
America has already had a f*ggot for a president.
His name is Barack Obammy
Better to ship them off to the Arabs !
Feb 17, 2020 01:54:36 #
no propaganda please wrote:
I Will Say What the Political Leaders Cannot Say A... (show quote)
Oh come on, you guys have to be kidding. Trump admitted to being a serial adulterer with each of his three wives. Adultery is much more destructive to the family unit because often the result is to destroy it! Homosexuality doesn't destroy anything except to the minds of Christian bigots who are enraged by it. But the fact that Trump's adultery doesn't bother you but Buttigieg homosexuality does is put the onus on you and exposes your bigotry for what it is.
What's more, your bigotry is more detrimental to society than anything Trump or Buttigieg has done. If you can't get your own house in order and free from sin why are you so consumed by someone else's?
Feb 17, 2020 02:15:34 #
PeterS wrote:
Adultery is a violation of God's Law, not Natural Law; homosexuality is a violation of both.Oh come on, you guys have to be kidding. Trump adm... (show quote)
Why you continue to accuse Christians of bigotry when we are defending our principles is no mystery - you are a bigot.
The notions that homosexuality "destroy' our minds and that homosexuality has no impact on children in a gay marriage are utterly foolish.
You're supposed to be the guy who knows more about being a Christian than Jesus Himself, so how can you possibly be so wrong?
Feb 17, 2020 05:56:45 #
woodguru wrote:
But electing an all out pig of a man who openly denigrated women for their looks, or talked about being able to do wh**ever you wanted to them if you have money and fame, that's okay?
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
I'll take the gay respectful man, thank you very much, he will be better for the country if not those religious zealots on the hard right.
you would....you do realize that respectful man is taking it in the butt from another man ....don't ya? That ain't normaland should eliminate him from the pool of candidates of NON fudge dimplers.
It was not better for Greece or the Roman empire, would not be good for america...religious zealots nothing..........he is a Mo', and should get a big NO!!
Feb 17, 2020 05:59:20 #
PeterS wrote:
Oh come on, you guys have to be kidding. Trump adm... (show quote)
Oh no!!! what bootygigger does is not excusable, ......he is a butt sniper
We can excuse Trump with his hot wife....that man on man crap is just that....Crap!!
Feb 17, 2020 06:32:57 #
bggamers wrote:
Not only is this talked about in the bible and condemned but ministers who accept this and do not speak out about it are leading their church into the pits of fire. My understanding I know some that are gay they know I don't approve they don't act out in front of me and I don't judge but I have mentioned that God doesnt approve
Many church leaders teach that once divorced, to remarry is to live in an adulterous union.
So then, Trumps third marriage is no more biblically sound than Buttegieg's.
Feb 17, 2020 06:45:03 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Adultery is a violation of God's Law, not Natural Law; homosexuality is a violation of both.
Why you continue to accuse Christians of bigotry when we are defending our principles is no mystery...
Why you continue to accuse Christians of bigotry when we are defending our principles is no mystery...
It is because your principles are h**eful and bigoted and used to unnecessarily restrict the liberty of others for no reason other than your bigotry, my dear.
Feb 17, 2020 07:09:38 #
Hello everyone I’m new here but have been reading you for awhile. My first comment hope I do it right. As bad as trump is
I believe he’s doing great things for America. Mayor Pete would be a disaster lifestyle and politically. After what I’ve seen the last 3 years it’ll be a cold day in hell before I v**e Democrat again
I believe he’s doing great things for America. Mayor Pete would be a disaster lifestyle and politically. After what I’ve seen the last 3 years it’ll be a cold day in hell before I v**e Democrat again
Feb 17, 2020 08:39:28 #
jim_shipley wrote:
What do you call it when the first lady is a male?
Q***R!
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