Navigator wrote:
Claiming 700 years of judicial process is about twice as long as it actually existed. Until the 18th century the common state was the king, lord, sultan wh**ever declared an edict and people's possessions up to and including their lives were then taken at will without due process. When someone was actually brought before a court it was only when the king couldn't avoid it or when disputes were between common people.
Do yourself a favor. Look up "Magna Carta". Follow your own discoveries from there. When you find yourself realizing that there's a difference between absolute monarchy and constitutional monarchy and that Britain hasn't been an absolute monarchy since 1215, get back to me. While your at it, look up Common Law. It's actually a thing and it's not called the "common state".
Navigator wrote:
Ancient history being what it is you are still barking up the wrong tree.
You're the one who told me I have to go way back - remember?
Navigator wrote:
If a person is in the country and is not a natural born or naturalized citizen or is not in possession of a valid visa or tourist document, they have entered the country illegally and are in an illegal status.
That is incorrect. First of all, I don't know if you have ever heard of a green card but it's not a visa and it's not a tourist document (wh**ever that is). It's a document that says the holder is a permanent resident. Do you know what that is? It's a person who was neither born here nor naturalized but that person has a legal right to reside here and work here indefinitely.
Navigator wrote:
even if an infant.
I'm not going to explain the Defense of Infancy again. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
Navigator wrote:
Felony, misdemeanor or civil infraction or infant exception, they are not in the country where they are legal citizens and, since not authorized by this country to be here are subject to deportation and no trial should be required.
LOL - please tell me what you think "infant exception" is. In the meantime, I'll just point out that you don't HAVE to be a citizen to be here legally. You have to be a citizen to v**e, that is the ONLY advantage a citizen has over a resident alien.
Navigator wrote:
If you snuck your family into France and lived there illegally for 5 years and then where discovered by the French police and deported without trial would you consider yourself and your family to have been unfairly "punished"? A logical, reasonable person would answer "of course not"; you and your family would have merely been returned to where you belonged and should be grateful for the time you got to spend illegally in France.
A logical and reasonable person would have questions about the case before jumping to childish conclusions. Such as what dangers do they face back where they came from. BTW, the French actually do this. They concern themselves with the welfare of all humans because they are a shining example of civilized nation. We were too for a while there.
Navigator wrote:
Another consideration: if you were a person of color, would you consider France "r****t" for sending you back to the US?
Not if they had valid reasons sending me back. And no, the color of my skin is not a valid reason.
Navigator wrote:
How about anti-Semitic if you were Jewish?
Not all Jews are of Semitic origin. Arabs are. I'll give you some time to think that one over.
Navigator wrote:
How about anti-white if the police who arrested you were of color? Again, a reasonable, logical person would answer "of course not". You were wrongly in a place you didn't belong and were rightfully returned.
Again, "a reasonable, logical person" would ask more questions before jumping to childish conclusions.
Look, I understand that people often want to simplify things to levels they can understand, but if your going to debate these issues you should really get a better handle on the complexity that comes with reality.
I hope you make the effort to learn more about the world around you and I wish you luck.