Bloomberg’s supposed gaff is one of the few things I agree with him on (Page 11): Did you v**e for Obama?

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

JediKnight wrote:

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Did you v**e for Obama?

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

JediKnight wrote:

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Trump says what he wants, and I don't pay much attention to this because actions are what speak louder than words. None of us knows for sure what he is like because we get a daily dose of media lies and fabrications from those who believe we should think about Trump the way they want us to think. They spend more effort trying to influence how we interpret actions and events than reporting what is the t***h and letting us decide for ourselves. I don't believe the media can be an unbiased observer. They have proven over and over that most of them cannot be trusted to give us the facts without putting them through the prism of their own biased political viewpoints.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

JediKnight wrote:

No, you actually don't know because I haven't shar... (show quote)

You h**e Trump. It's as simple as that!

JediKnight

padremike wrote:

Did you v**e for Obama?

Proudly.

JediKnight

nwtk2007 wrote:

You h**e Trump. It's as simple as that!

I told you that "h**e" is not a word I prefer to use. I seriously dislike Trump's lack of character, morals and values, but no, I don't h**e the man. I see Trump as a flawed, fallen soldier who has lost his way. As a child of God, he is worth saving and redeeming - but with God, its always man's choice. So, if Trump repents and changes, as I've said before - I would forgive him and welcome him with open arms.

So, you are free to believe what you wish...but don't you find it a little strange that you worry so much about what I think? Why is that?

JediKnight

dtucker300 wrote:

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Oprah Winfrey credits Maya Angelou with saying: "when a person shows you who they are the first time - you should believe them."

While I do think there are people who change, I also see the logic in that statement. You say Trump has "changed" - I don't see any "positive" change from the way he is today than from how he was before running for president. Yes, actions speak louder than words. So, when you combine Trump's h**eful rhetoric, with his orders to gut defense to build a wall, to cipher congressionally approved funds to support projects that "he" desires that go against the will of the people, to continue to discriminate against minorities because they are minorities - you don't need to rely on the media to explain what you see with your very own eyes.

Yes, of course the media will spin, exaggerate, omit, and even lie - that's the human part of them. However, when you "see" the man doing what the media reports about how can you blame them and overlook him?

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

JediKnight wrote:

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Okay Jedi, This whole conversation has taken a wayward turn somewhere along the way. We see Trump from different perspectives. There is nothing I can say nor you can say that will really change any of that, and I doubt we have changed anyone's mind either. This has become an exercise in futility. I am satisfied to wait and see what happens because the e******n is not an all-consuming issue with me. No matter what happens we live in an imperfect world where tomorrow will follow, as will the day after, and so forth. We can't change the entire world. I have responsibility for how I conduct myself and control how I react to events.

Lord, grant me the courage to change the things I can change,
The serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
And the wisdom to know the difference between them.

JediKnight

dtucker300 wrote:

Okay Jedi, This whole conversation has taken a wa... (show quote)

As is the case more often than not, we actually agree.

Adding the Serenity Prayer is a nice touch.....good day to you dtucker300!

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

JediKnight wrote:

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Your Christian charity and arrogance is enough to make us nauseous. "IF, IF, IF Trump repents and changes YOU would forgive him and welcome him with open arms." And you seriously claim to be a Christian. Tragic. FYI, all sinners are worthy of forgiveness. Do you question how I know?

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

JediKnight wrote:

As is the case more often than not, we actually agree.

Adding the Serenity Prayer is a nice touch.....good day to you dtucker300!

I not so sure others get it. Don't let OPP get you rattled. It is easy to say something we later regret and can't take back when emotions run high. Have a good day yourself. I'll be watching the debate tonight. Curious to see how Bloomberg changes his tactics and whether he will go more on the offensive. One small observation. He takes heat for self-funding his campaign but at least he isn't beholden to any outside influence from rich donors.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

padremike wrote:

Your Christian charity and arrogance is enough to make us nauseous. "IF, IF, IF Trump repents and changes YOU would forgive him and welcome him with open arms." And you seriously claim to be a Christian. Tragic. FYI, all sinners are worthy of forgiveness. Do you question how I know?

Arrogance is exactly the word for Jedi's need to have Trump repent to him and ask forgiveness of him. I see this all the time in the religiously immature. Most go in and worship churches are dominated by them. It is the main frustration of preachers and pastors across the country. In Hebrews the writer expresses this same frustration.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

JediKnight wrote:

Proudly.

How did we ever guess? If Obama's your model of a good, faithful, moral, responsible, honest and constitutional president it is no small wonder you can't stand Mr Trump.

JediKnight

padremike wrote:

Your Christian charity and arrogance is enough to make us nauseous. "IF, IF, IF Trump repents and changes YOU would forgive him and welcome him with open arms." And you seriously claim to be a Christian. Tragic. FYI, all sinners are worthy of forgiveness. Do you question how I know?

It is typical to shy away from that which you don't understand, many even go so far as to "h**e" that which they don't understand out of fear - or even 'change' - so your response does not surprise me at all.

Yes, "IF" Trump changes his h**eful and discriminatory ways he can be redeemed. Forgiveness for sins is a gift from God, but it does not come automatically. You can lie, c***t and pretend with man, but not so with God. You see padre, "Do not be deceived for God is not mocked -whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also surely reap." [Galatians 6]. Yes, Trump would have to make some serious changes in his character to be worthy of forgiveness.

Yes, even a sinner such as you or me "can be" worthy of forgiveness, but we have to ask for it, and also put in the work to deserve it. No, I'm not really interested in "how you know" because I already know....your chosen screen name is a clue, and you, just like every other human being are a sinner also, yet, still worthy of forgiveness in God's eyes.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

JediKnight wrote:

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You still keep coming back to Trump as being h**eful and discriminatory because "you know" it to be so. But you don't know it to be so, nor do I. You interpret some of what he said as being so and you do not consider the entire package that is the man, what he does and says. This is confirmation bias, not a game of one-ups-manship.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

JediKnight wrote:

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H**eful and discriminatory? You are blinded by your h**e and your obvious studies of left wing media sources.

For you religious sorts: Trump is tossing out the swamp just as Jesus tossed out the money changers from the Temple.

Discriminatory? Bull!