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Feb 8, 2020 10:41:38   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
I could never, in good conscience, join a union. As a registered nurse, I find it horrifying to think of nurses walking off a job. Not for me in any way!

Good for you!!

Along that line, I have a hard time understanding why any so-called 'professionals' needs a union. Be professional. Market your sk**ls and not depend on extortionists to get you a raise. If you don't like your pay scale, working conditions or companions, move on.

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Feb 8, 2020 10:43:57   #
Iliamna1
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Good for you!!

Along that line, I have a hard time understanding why any so-called 'professionals' needs a union. Be professional. Market your sk**ls and not depend on extortionists to get you a raise. If you don't like your pay scale, working conditions or companions, move on.


Funny you should say that. I've done exactly that on several occasions.

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Feb 8, 2020 10:50:34   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Funny you should say that. I've done exactly that on several occasions.


That doesn't surprise me at all. Indeed, a professional.

How about pro athletes? Millions in contracts but still need a players union. But what the hell. A great source of income for the unions so they have lots of money to bribe politicians.

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Feb 8, 2020 11:05:59   #
Iliamna1
 
bggamers wrote:
If they do and something happens to a patient they can be held liable for neglect or worse so can CNA's LPN's RN's


Partly true. It depends on the circumstances . . . and the jury.

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Feb 8, 2020 11:58:58   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
proud republican wrote:
Should Americans be forced to join Labor Unions???


Unions were organized originally to get better conditions. Since we now have OSHA, EPA, DER, IRS, SSI, ETC.
NO need for unions, other than to try to get somebody other than you or your employer rich.

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Feb 8, 2020 12:10:30   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Unions were organized originally to get better conditions. Since we now have OSHA, EPA, DER, IRS, SSI, ETC.
NO need for unions, other than to try to get somebody other than you or your employer rich.


Very accurate statement. 👍

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Feb 8, 2020 12:17:15   #
EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Very accurate statement. 👍



Amen


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Feb 8, 2020 12:28:00   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
What does that have to do with anything? I don't think the pension part of my father-in-law's retirement was paid as a benefit and the amount withdrawn was as large or larger as SS so what you received would be no different than if you paid into SS.


Wrong. Those of us who pay into social security share our retirement money with the "welfare fund" the portion received back is not comparable to the payments made.

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Feb 8, 2020 12:28:23   #
debeda
 
Seth wrote:
More likely the union just prefers collecting dues to paying out claims.

There was nothing for them to dispute -- his knees had needed and received surgically implanted servo-mechanical devices in order for him to walk again, and it took a long, painful period of therapy for him to adjust to them.

Early in the last century, unions were there to protect workers from exploitation. Today, ever since the Mob realized their revenue potentials, they're there for purely monetary reasons.



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Feb 8, 2020 12:29:43   #
debeda
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I worked a railroad repair job in the late 60s.
Spiking ties and laying track in switchyards.
Extremely hard work, but I made enough money in 3 months to pay for a year of college and beer. Union wages. Big money back then.


Yep!! Everyone was joining the steel workers union in Chicago in the 60s and early 70s. Skyscrapers going up like crazy. Hard, dangerous work but big bucks...

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Feb 8, 2020 12:30:20   #
debeda
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
I could never, in good conscience, join a union. As a registered nurse, I find it horrifying to think of nurses walking off a job. Not for me in any way!


Good for you At least your work means something to you!!!

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Feb 8, 2020 12:31:25   #
debeda
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Good for you!!

Along that line, I have a hard time understanding why any so-called 'professionals' needs a union. Be professional. Market your sk**ls and not depend on extortionists to get you a raise. If you don't like your pay scale, working conditions or companions, move on.


Believe it or not, so many college educated kids think the AMA and Bar Association are the same as teacher's unions

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Feb 8, 2020 17:19:02   #
dongreen76
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Unions were organized originally to get better conditions. Since we now have OSHA, EPA, DER, IRS, SSI, ETC.
NO need for unions, other than to try to get somebody other than you or your employer rich.


We have,sheriff depts,police depts.public schools,public defenders,public t***sportation systems,water infiltrations plants,no need for private security,private schools,personal lawyers,company's that sell bottled water that you get free.Lets get rid of all those private entities.We are only making them rich.That is stupid,paying for something twice, first with our tax dollars,then again out of our private pockets.How are we thinking ?

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Feb 9, 2020 00:50:54   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
Seth wrote:
My friend was in the Carpenter's Union in New York. Member for well over 20 years, dependable, hard working, paid his dues...
Then he blew out his knees on the job, literally; the surgeons had to install servo-mechanical devices in his knees, he had to go through occupational therapy for a long time and experienced a couple of years of non-stop pain. The doctors told him he couldn't work anymore, so he applied for union disability retirement, part of his contract.

The union tried to get out if it. He ran up tend of thousands in credit card and overdraft debt while his wife went to work teaching school and they almost blew their mortgage -- he had to take the union to court, and he won, but only after about 5 years of grief, and he and his wife were raising four children, to boot.
My friend was in the Carpenter's Union in New York... (show quote)


A fellow lives not far from here, near the local feed lot. Carpenter 15 years. Left carpenters union to help with his brothers feed lot. Rheumatoid arthritis crippled him up. Got social security disability and had no problem getting union disability retirement after that. Don’t know what happened with your friend.

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Feb 9, 2020 06:36:02   #
Seth
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
A fellow lives not far from here, near the local feed lot. Carpenter 15 years. Left carpenters union to help with his brothers feed lot. Rheumatoid arthritis crippled him up. Got social security disability and had no problem getting union disability retirement after that. Don’t know what happened with your friend.


Different geographic subdivisions, different unions?

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