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Feb 7, 2020 23:40:35   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Tug484 wrote:
My husband was good at what he did.
It didn't happen often, but when he asked for a raise and they balked, he'd tell them I'll leave and take my work with me.
Some young 23 manager laughed and didn't believe it.
He took his work with him and that hurts an oil company.


Unions are the gateway to C*******m. The market should set wages, not union bosses.

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Feb 7, 2020 23:46:40   #
Seth
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
In what way was your friend screwed by the union?

Unfortunately many companies don’t treat their workers fairly. In these cases a union is the best protection.

Federal union employees can be fired. See page 7
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/employee-relations/reference-materials/managing-federal-employees%E2%80%99-performance-issues-or-misconduct.pdf

State and local civil servants can be fired under similar conditions.


My friend was in the Carpenter's Union in New York. Member for well over 20 years, dependable, hard working, paid his dues...

Then he blew out his knees on the job, literally; the surgeons had to install servo-mechanical devices in his knees, he had to go through occupational therapy for a long time and experienced a couple of years of non-stop pain. The doctors told him he couldn't work anymore, so he applied for union disability retirement, part of his contract.

The union tried to get out if it. He ran up tend of thousands in credit card and overdraft debt while his wife went to work teaching school and they almost blew their mortgage -- he had to take the union to court, and he won, but only after about 5 years of grief, and he and his wife were raising four children, to boot.

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Feb 8, 2020 01:05:22   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
proud republican wrote:
Should Americans be forced to join Labor Unions???


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As a former union rep, my feeling is that one should NEVER be forced to join a union. However, if they don’t, then they shouldn’t received the pay scale(s), the PAID holidays off, the medical benefits, the sick leave, the personal leave, paid days off, strike pay, union representation at any grievance meeting/hearing between the unionized worker and the company, retirement benefits, or any other benefit negotiated between and ACCEPTED by BOTH the company and the union.

Should they still receive union negotiated benefits, as an employee of a unionized company, the non-union employee should pay the going rate for union dues. If they’re not required to pay union dues, the union shouldn’t be required to represent the worker in any work-related dispute. Nor should the union offer any strike-monies to the non-unionized worker should a strike occur.

Outside of all that, let the non-union worker negotiate their own salary and benefits. Especially, if the non-union worker is equally qualified for the same work they’d perform if they were a unionized worker. The only exception - per federal regulations - being should the worker be on an “exempt pay scale,” usually set aside for management level personnel.

If you don’t feel that unions are good for the workers of this country, or that unions have outlived their usefulness, I ask you to read the history of unions in this country and what all they accomplished on behalf of workers all across the USA. Almost ALL of what benefits you enjoy as a worker in this country was earned by the efforts of organized labor; 8 hour work days, 40 hour work weeks, retirement benefits, medical benefits, paid vacations and holidays, worker safety laws (laws Trump's trying to weaken), and especially, a federal minimum wage (which Trump says is too high and favors its elimination, entirely).

The negative propaganda about unions is mostly based on Hollywood’s projection of crooked union officers (admittedly, yes, there have been some) and the negative propaganda put out by big business. OR, by people who are simply jealous of what a unionized worker gets paid, plus their benefits. Just this week, GM announced that the average “profit sharing” check going to their UNIONIZED employees will be around $8,000.000. This monetary sharing of the company’s profits resulted from the union and GM NEGOTIATING this benefit for GM’s workers.

If you’ve never had the opportunity to work in an automotive plant, I can vouch that in most cases, it’s hard, dirty, tedious, and at times, monotonous work. Oftentimes, it’s even deadly, given the operation of hundreds of robots and the use of extremely toxic materials.

Now, there’s something for you to complain about. Robots are taking jobs away from hard-working people who need to feed their families. Blame the unions for automation. You Republicans like to blame unions. I just gave you some ammo with “automation” taking away jobs. Oh wait! It’s the COMPANIES who want automation. Of course, you’ll never blame the companies. After all, it’s a proven fact that companies will go bankrupt before they ever do harm to their faithful workers. That the big-wigs at a company will resign and leave in shame, (with their mega-million dollar “golden parachutes”), should they harm the workers is a given!

If you h**e unions so much, move to Tennessee. Here, our politicians are so anti-union that they almost caused VW to shut down a brand new plant in Chattanooga because VW wanted their workers unionized. It’s a company practice at ALL other VW plants, worldwide. VW likes to have unionized workers sit on their many manufacturing committees. We even had outside politicians and GOPTP minions pour into Chattanooga to try to prevent even a v**e from occurring.

A v**e did occur and only one section of the plant took unionization. Throughout the rest plant, the v**e NOT to unionize was was passed by thin majorities. VW wanted all of its TN plant unionized but opted to accept the state-sponsored and state-enforced decision. The fact that the state offered VW more incentive monies had nothing to do with it.

Corporate welfare is alive and well in Tennessee.Just ask any of the many companies who have located here in the past 30-40 years. It’s okay that there are over 200,000 Tennesseans without medical insurance while our part-time state legislators enjoy a lifetime of low cost state medical care, even after they’ve left office. That our state-funded education system has a lot of its money diverted to private and religion-based schools. Tjst as a result of that diversion, our education system ranks 3rd from the bottom nationally in terms of quality education and teacher pay.

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Feb 8, 2020 01:08:51   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
Seth wrote:
My friend was in the Carpenter's Union in New York. Member for well over 20 years, dependable, hard working, paid his dues...

Then he blew out his knees on the job, literally; the surgeons had to install servo-mechanical devices in his knees, he had to go through occupational therapy for a long time and experienced a couple of years of non-stop pain. The doctors told him he couldn't work anymore, so he applied for union disability retirement, part of his contract.

The union tried to get out if it. He ran up tend of thousands in credit card and overdraft debt while his wife went to work teaching school and they almost blew their mortgage -- he had to take the union to court, and he won, but only after about 5 years of grief, and he and his wife were raising four children, to boot.
My friend was in the Carpenter's Union in New York... (show quote)



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Happy he won. Looks like, from what you wrote, his union was up to some sneaky doings. I have to wonder if it’s medical insurance money had been diverted somewhere else.

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Feb 8, 2020 01:51:15   #
Tug484
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Unions are the gateway to C*******m. The market should set wages, not union bosses.


Definitely.

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Feb 8, 2020 02:56:58   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
EN Submarine Qualified wrote:
Got one up on you.
Two or more poll workers come to our dining room with our b****ts. We complete the b****t, poll worker seals in an envelope which we (the v**er) must sign and date.
V**ed last Tuesday for supreme court justice. Next date is the spring primary on 19 April. They will be back.
I will ride down the elevator and walk about 100 feet rain or shine and do my thing after consulting with the wife to see if we are merely offsetting each other by v****g for different people or if we are unified. Wouldn't miss it.
Happy to say we had a good turnout even for a primary.
Got one up on you. br Two or more poll workers com... (show quote)



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Feb 8, 2020 03:27:37   #
PeterS
 
Peewee wrote:
Maybe if they stopped funding political parties and spent the money on protecting workers. Railroad workers would be better off. If I recall correctly most RR workers make north of 30.00 per hour not counting benefits from day one.

The money RR workers made was due to the hard work of unions not the benevolence of management.

And the Republican party was the party that was largely responsible for the destruction of unions so by donating to the democratic party they were donating to the party that worked on behalf of the workers.

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Feb 8, 2020 03:33:20   #
debeda
 
PeterS wrote:
The money RR workers made was due to the hard work of unions not the benevolence of management.

And the Republican party was the party that was largely responsible for the destruction of unions so by donating to the democratic party they were donating to the party that worked on behalf of the workers.


Partly RR workers do so well because, like government and some other employees (police, firefighters, teachers, etc) they do not pay in to social security, so their retirement contributions go to them personally, not the welfare fund.....

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Feb 8, 2020 03:58:54   #
Ricktloml
 
teabag09 wrote:
When I worked for the RR I had to join the Union. They screwed me royal after taking 3 years of dues I didn't want to pay but had to. You can shove Unions where the sun doesn't shine. Unions are pretty much the same as the Mafia! Mike


Sadly most unions, (at one time they did provide a needed service,) now enrich the top percentage, and provide a dinner once a year for their members who get almost nothing they couldn't get on their own with their dues.

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Feb 8, 2020 04:22:24   #
PeterS
 
debeda wrote:
Partly RR workers do so well because, like government and some other employees (police, firefighters, teachers, etc) they do not pay in to social security, so their retirement contributions go to them personally, not the welfare fund.....

What does that have to do with anything? I don't think the pension part of my father-in-law's retirement was paid as a benefit and the amount withdrawn was as large or larger as SS so what you received would be no different than if you paid into SS.

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Feb 8, 2020 07:40:39   #
Seth
 
alabuck wrote:
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Happy he won. Looks like, from what you wrote, his union was up to some sneaky doings. I have to wonder if it’s medical insurance money had been diverted somewhere else.


More likely the union just prefers collecting dues to paying out claims.

There was nothing for them to dispute -- his knees had needed and received surgically implanted servo-mechanical devices in order for him to walk again, and it took a long, painful period of therapy for him to adjust to them.

Early in the last century, unions were there to protect workers from exploitation. Today, ever since the Mob realized their revenue potentials, they're there for purely monetary reasons.

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Feb 8, 2020 09:45:49   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Unions are the gateway to C*******m. The market should set wages, not union bosses.


A reason is C*******ts seek centralized power.
It makes it easier to control the masses.
Absolute power uses barbered wire fences.

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Feb 8, 2020 10:11:30   #
Mikeyavelli
 
debeda wrote:
Partly RR workers do so well because, like government and some other employees (police, firefighters, teachers, etc) they do not pay in to social security, so their retirement contributions go to them personally, not the welfare fund.....


I worked a railroad repair job in the late 60s.
Spiking ties and laying track in switchyards.
Extremely hard work, but I made enough money in 3 months to pay for a year of college and beer. Union wages. Big money back then.

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Feb 8, 2020 10:30:58   #
Iliamna1
 
I could never, in good conscience, join a union. As a registered nurse, I find it horrifying to think of nurses walking off a job. Not for me in any way!

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Feb 8, 2020 10:41:15   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
I could never, in good conscience, join a union. As a registered nurse, I find it horrifying to think of nurses walking off a job. Not for me in any way!


If they do and something happens to a patient they can be held liable for neglect or worse so can CNA's LPN's RN's

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