Bless you, Lindajoy! Your name really says a lot about you, and it’s always a pleasure reading your words.

I for one certainly don’t begrudge or judge your simple view, rather, I admire it!

What I believe Jesus was concerned with wasn’t simple faith, it was, as in Mark 7:7-8, when he said, “But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men.”

This is a two part criticism on Jesus’ part. It isn’t merely holding views that are simplistic, uninformed, underdeveloped, novice or the like, alone. They are more than that. They are when people, men or women, teach man-made teachings as commandments and impose them on others as if they were God’s commandments, while at the same time negating what are God’s commandment(s).

This is what the theologians of the fourth century did beyond what any others had done before that time. Until that time, Christians had a lot of differences of positions and opinions, and openly discussed them with each other, but for the most part, such as extreme cases, they were nevertheless in fellowship.

It wasn’t, historically, until the Trinitarians developed their “coequal substance” doctrine in the fourth century, and made it anathema (illegal) to believe otherwise, that they started having the dissenters arrested and even murdered. This was the epitome of what Jesus criticized the Jews of in Matthew 15 and Mark 7. It was, after all, just that type of actions on the part of the Jews, that most g****red Jesus ire upon them!

How is it even possible to believe, that the same method the Jews used to make their worship void, according to Jesus, is supposedly the right method Trinitarians were able to apply, in order to arrive at the true commandment (formulated in man-made terms) by which to judge men against, which commandment was never even stated in God’s word, the Bible?

Bless you, Lindajoy! Your name really says a lot about you, and it’s always a pleasure reading your words.

I for one certainly don’t begrudge or judge your simple view, rather, I admire it!

What I believe Jesus was concerned with wasn’t simple faith, it was, as in Mark 7:7-8, when he said, “But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. For you set aside the commandment of God, and hold tightly to the tradition of men.”

This is a two part criticism on Jesus’ part. It isn’t merely holding views that are simplistic, uninformed, underdeveloped, novice or the like, alone. They are more than that. They are when people, men or women, teach man-made teachings as commandments and impose them on others as if they were God’s commandments, while at the same time negating what are God’s commandment(s).

This is what the theologians of the fourth century did beyond what any others had done before that time. Until that time, Christians had a lot of differences of positions and opinions, and openly discussed them with each other, but for the most part, such as extreme cases, they were nevertheless in fellowship.

It wasn’t, historically, until the Trinitarians developed their “coequal substance” doctrine in the fourth century, and made it anathema (illegal) to believe otherwise, that they started having the dissenters arrested and even murdered. This was the epitome of what Jesus criticized the Jews of in Matthew 15 and Mark 7. It was, after all, just that type of actions on the part of the Jews, that most g****red Jesus ire upon them!

How is it even possible to believe, that the same method the Jews used to make their worship void, according to Jesus, is supposedly the right method Trinitarians were able to apply, in order to arrive at the true commandment (formulated in man-made terms) by which to judge men against, which commandment was never even stated in God’s word, the Bible?

And perhaps these shed light too~~

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-the-trinity/

From the beginning of creation in Genesis to the end of times in Revelation, God refers to Himself as "us" or "our" and thus describes the doctrine of the Trinity. The word trinity comes from "tri" meaning three and "unity" meaning one. God is three distinct individuals - God the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit - in one true God. The below Bible verses and Scriptures about the trinity will help you have a better understanding of who God is. It can be a difficult concept to grasp, yet we can believe God's word and know that while His ways are higher than ours, we can trust in Him!

For further research, read "God in Three Persons - The Trinity Explained"

Corinthians 13:14

14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

But now I am going back to the Father who sent Me, and none of you asks Me where I am going. You are very sad from hearing all of this. But I tell you that I am going to do what is best for you. That is why I am going away. The Holy Spirit cannot come to help You until I leave. But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you. - John 16:5-7 CEV
John 14:26 NIV
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

"I will send the Spirit to you. " " whom the Father will send in my name" Man cannot understand the workings of God. Only with the guidance of the Holy spirit do we comprehend

Will you get off this anti-Christian tirade. No dev**ed Christian appreciates a blasphemous attempt to rewrite the Holy Bible.

The Unitarian idea that the Judeo-Christian God, Yahweh, is an abstract monad became a formal denomination in 1774, a bit late considering the volumes of Biblical scholarship over the preceeding 17 centuries.

The Bible is not easy to comprehend, and a proper evaluation of the biblical evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity depends on the faithful application of sound principles of biblical interpretation. There are numerous approaches to Biblical study and scholarship, and if any one of these is diligently applied, the Trinity (not mentioned in the Bible) will emerge. There are in fact a number of intense Bible study courses that confirm the concept of a Triune God.

It is foolish to think that an infinite Creative Intelligence capable of creating such a magnificent universe and introducing life in His image and life in all its wonderful forms, is not capable of multi-dimensional existence.

In point of fact, the doctrine of the Trinity is purely a revealed doctrine. That is to say, it embodies a t***h which has never been discovered, and is indiscoverable, by natural reason. With all his searching, man has not been able to find out for himself the deepest things of God. Accordingly, ethnic thought has never attained a Trinitarian conception of God, nor does any ethnic religion present in its representations of the Divine Being any analogy to the doctrine of the Trinity.

As the doctrine of the Trinity is indiscoverable by reason, so it is incapable of proof from reason. There are no analogies to it in Nature, not even in the spiritual nature of man, who is made in the image of God. In His trinitarian mode of being, God is unique; and, as there is nothing in the universe like Him in this respect, so there is nothing which can help us to comprehend Him.

Inconclusive as all such reasoning is, however, considered as rational demonstration of the reality of the Trinity, it is very far from possessing no value. It carries home to us in a very suggestive way the superiority of the Trinitarian conception of God to the conception of Him as an abstract monad, and thus brings important rational support to the doctrine of the Trinity, when once that doctrine has been given us by revelation. If it is not quite possible to say that we cannot conceive of God as eternal self-consciousness and eternal love, without conceiving Him as a Trinity, it does seem quite necessary to say that when we conceive Him as a Trinity, new fullness, richness, force are given to our conception of Him as a self-conscious, loving Being, and therefore we conceive Him more adequately than as a monad, and no one who has ever once conceived Him as a Trinity can ever again satisfy himself with a monadistic conception of God. Reason thus not only performs the important negative service to faith in the Trinity, of showing the self-consistency of the doctrine and its consistency with other known t***h, but brings this positive rational support to it of discovering in it the only adequate conception of God as self-conscious spirit and living love. Difficult, therefore, as the idea of the Trinity in itself is, it does not come to us as an added burden upon our intelligence; it brings us rather the solution of the deepest and most persistent difficulties in our conception of God as infinite moral Being, and illuminates, enriches and elevates all our thought of God. It has accordingly become a commonplace to say that Christian theism is the only stable theism. That is as much as to say that theism requires the enriching conception of the Trinity to give it a permanent hold upon the human mind - the mind finds it difficult to rest in the idea of an abstract unity for its God; and that the human heart cries out for the living God in whose Being there is that fullness of life for which the conception of the Trinity alone provides.

So strongly is it felt in wide circles that a Trinitarian conception is essential to a worthy idea of God, that there is abroad a deep-seated unwillingness to allow that God could ever have made Himself known otherwise than as a Trinity. From this point of view it is inconceivable that the Old Testament revelation should know nothing of the Trinity.

The simplicity and assurance with which the New Testament writers speak of God as a Trinity have, however, a further implication. If they betray no sense of novelty in so speaking of Him, this is undoubtedly in part because it was no longer a novelty so to speak of Him. It is clear, in other words, that, as we read the New Testament, we are not witnessing the birth of a new conception of God. What we meet with in its pages is a firmly established conception of God underlying and giving its tone to the whole fabric. It is not in a text here and there that the New Testament bears its testimony to the doctrine of the Trinity. The whole book is Trinitarian to the core; all its teaching is built on the assumption of the Trinity; and its allusions to the Trinity are frequent, cursory, easy and confident. It is with a view to the cursoriness of the allusions to it in the New Testament that it has been remarked that "the doctrine of the Trinity is not so much heard as overheard in the statements of Scripture." It would be more exact to say that it is not so much inculcated as presupposed. The doctrine of the Trinity does not appear in the New Testament in the making, but as already made. It takes its place in its pages, as Gunkel phrases it, with an air almost of complaint, already "in full completeness" (vollig fertig), leaving no trace of its growth. "There is nothing more wonderful in the history of human thought," says Sanday, with his eye on the appearance of the doctrine of the Trinity in the New Testament, "than the silent and imperceptible way in which this doctrine, to us so difficult, took its place without struggle - and without controversy - among accepted Christian t***hs." The explanation of this remarkable phenomenon is, however, simple. Our New Testament is not a record of the development of the doctrine or of its assimilation. It everywhere presupposes the doctrine as the fixed possession of the Christian community; and the process by which it became the possession of the Christian community lies behind the New Testament.

Christianity is unique among all religions, it is the only religion that brings God into a personal relationship with His children. Praise Jesus.

The bottom line is if Jesus was not the divine incarnation of Yahweh, then His sacrifice on the cross, His resurrection and ascension are meaningless.

The King James version is very similar:
Mathew 28, ye 19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

The New International Version, which came out about 1960, is a travesty of all travesties, mangling the message of the entire Bible, by misinterpreting the 3rd Book of Moses, "Leviticus" (the Book of Laws) which explains the laws ending human s***ery, a text that our Declaration of Independence was based upon. Fully aware that our youth today never reads the Bible, the NIV pulled it off.

Man being made in God's image, we are all equal in God's eyes; under God's Natural Law, man may rule over animals, but man may not rule over man, only God may rule over man.

Take a look at this old book:
History, Archaeology and Christian Humanism by William Foxwell Albright, McGraw-Hill Book Company1960
https://www.amazon.com/History-Archaeology-Christian-Humanism-Albright/dp/B000CLIL6W/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=History%2C+Archaeology+and+Christian+Humanism&qid=1580093025&s=books&sr=1-1

Albright's book pretty well explains the c*******t hijacking of religion, be it Christian, Muslim, Judaism, by rewriting their text with misinterpretations, thus eliminating a moral code of ethics and human freedom.

My gosh, Blade~~ May I spend a few days in your brain ??? You certainly show a divine understanding that mesmerized me~~

When I got to this my mind went into overdrive and my spirit and soul just soared.;

“The Bible is not easy to comprehend, and a proper evaluation of the biblical evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity depends on the faithful application of sound principles of biblical interpretation. There are numerous approaches to Biblical study and scholarship, and if any one of these is diligently applied, the Trinity (not mentioned in the Bible) will emerge. There are in fact a number of intense Bible study courses that confirm the concept of a Triune God.

It is foolish to think that an infinite Creative Intelligence capable of creating such a magnificent universe and introducing life in His image and life in all its wonderful forms, is not capable of multi-dimensional existence.

In point of fact, the doctrine of the Trinity is purely a revealed doctrine. That is to say, it embodies a t***h which has never been discovered, and is indiscoverable, by natural reason. With all his searching, man has not been able to find out for himself the deepest things of God. Accordingly, ethnic thought has never attained a Trinitarian conception of God, nor does any ethnic religion present in its representations of the Divine Being any analogy to the doctrine of the Trinity.”

I need to take some time absorbing all you brought forth before being able to reply, but I can tell you it is simply a beautiful, heartfelt reminder you just gave here..

Your closing paragraph a very clear revelation.!! Just wow~~~Thank You~~~ Bless you always...

This is an interesting article, especially this statement:

"As the doctrine of the Trinity is indiscoverable by reason, so it is incapable of proof from reason. There are no analogies to it in Nature, not even in the spiritual nature of man, who is made in the image of God. In His trinitarian mode of being, God is unique; and, as there is nothing in the universe like Him in this respect, so there is nothing which can help us to comprehend Him."

Science is catching up with the Christian religion, with proven theories in physics where matter and energy are interchangeable, string theory and parallel universes are calculable, love is immortal and life is eternal.

The concept of eternal life should curb human behavior on earth, one would reason?

Yeah, I like the sound of it because it is true. And, I have attempted to explain this a number of times, but either this was ignored, summarily denied, or some godawful attempt to refute it popped up with pages of confusing sermons in four parts apparently proclaiming the unfounded glories of an abstract and impersonal monadic divinity.

Yeshua (meaning Yahweh is salvation) was God in the flesh. He came here and dwelt among us to bless us with a truly personal relationship with Him (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). No other religion ever experienced such a marvelous thing. Yeshua ha Massiach prayed with His disciples and followers, He blessed them, taught them, comforted them, and healed them. He traveled with them, He dined with them, He sailed with them, fished with them, He bathed with them, and He nourished an unimaginably powerful loving relationship with them - Our loving God in the flesh.

The Old Testament prophets told the complete story of His coming, His birth, His ministry, His mission and its purpose. To deny the divinity of Yeshua ha Massiach not only renders His sacrifice meaningless, it denies the credibility of the divinely inspired Old Testament prophets and renders their prophesies also meaningless.

He was wounded for our t***sgression, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
Isaiah - 600 BC.

The Romans crucified thousands of Jews in those days, why then did the crucifixion of just one more Jew have such a monumental impact on mankind and change the course of history? The death of the Messiah and his resurrection from the dead is the heart and soul of the Christian faith. Only Yahweh Himself can forgive us our sins, and that is what He came here to do.

Our Lord's suffering began in Gethsemane with His anguished prayers, followed by one of the most severe f**gellations the Roman brutes could inflict. It was a terribly wounded Savior who was then nailed to the cross. As physically excruciating as a Roman crucifixion was, His physical suffering was nothing compared to the spiritual pain of carrying the burden of all human sin on His shoulders and defeating death with the forgiveness of all sins and the promise of eternal life with Him in Heaven. No human being, no matter how righteous or saintly he or she could possibly be, could accomplish such a thing.

On the day I was baptized in a beautiful desert warm spring with 11 adults and 9 children, including a 6 month old baby, I have felt His presence, Kyle, I have experienced His grace, I have seen His Light, He has been with me in Spirit and He has guided me through the briars and brambles of life on earth. I have taken on many inspiring challenges since that day, some I doubted I could ever complete, and He, Yeshua, our Lord and Savior, answered every prayer in guiding me through.

The Temple Menorah and the communion cup shown here were two such projects. Hand carved, crafted and finished out of western cottonwood without the benefit of a wood shop or any power tools other than a Dremel and a drill, the menorah (my sister's idea) took me six months, or should I say it took Yeshua six months, to guide me over the plateaus and out of the dead ends. 36 parts crafted for nearly perfect fits with detailing I never thought I could achieve with just carving knives, chisels, and sand paper. Many times, I had to lay down my tools and pray.

The communion cup was carved and finished from a single branch of cotton wood. I wanted something that would symbolize five fingers holding the cup, His fingers, and I felt that carving an actual hand would not only be difficult but would not convey what I had in mind. The result then is a representation of five fingers holding the cup.

I wish I could tell you the full story of my six month quest to produce the menorah, such as my many excursions into the wilderness where the cottonwood trees live and die to find just the right pieces for continuing with the project and the experiences I had there that had nothing to do with finding wood. Like the day after a heavy rain and I was dealing with a severe bout of diarrhea. I knew the wood would be wet but that was no problem, I went out there anyway. Five minutes or so after I arrived there and was preparing for my search, an attack of diarrhea hit me. I didn't have much time, I grabbed my entrenching tool and ran into the woods to get away from the creek and I was thinking of leaves and sticks with which to clean up. In a matter of seconds, I came into a clearing of nothing but damp sand and there it was. A full roll of toilet paper, dry as if it had just come out of its plastic package, sitting on end in the sunlight, bright, white, and clean. It doesn't matter how it got there, what matters is how I found it so quickly and at the time I needed it most. I can't explain it, other than to say I was led to it. Yeshua was the Master of my project, it was for his pleasure and praise that I took on the challenge. I have no doubt that He showed me the way. Yes, our Lord and Savior will provide even the little things for those who love Him.

It is odd that from all I put into my post, you would ask me the question the post was intended to answer.
I am reasonably certain that this testimonial will mean little to you, but there it is. Do with it as you wish, but don't ask me about this again.

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