Are You Paying Attention To The Court's Case To Completely End The ACA? (Page 2): I have to agree with you on what should be done about Obamacare, and after the chain is properly...

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Wolf counselor wrote:

This is what should be done about Obammycare.

I have to agree with you on what should be done about Obamacare, and after the chain is properly placed around the neck, pull it tie, and hang it.

Obamacare is not really his act or legislation, it was stolen from Mitt Romney health plan, and it should had been named Obamacare Health terrorism, and not care.

Trump is more than accurate to replace this Health care service, and gave the American people the best Health service, and absence criminality, incompetency., and immigrats ignorance.

Under Obamacare our ederly is abused and mistreated, and some service is predicted on one sexual orientation, and religion believe.

With all due respect, females makes the final decision as to care, treatment and service, while on their cleaning time, and in their emotional state.

Obamacare was designed to employ females jihdist, and i*****l i*******ts communities members. Obamacare is a domestic Health terrorist organization, and disaster.

Many have died as a result of Obamacare, Mount Sinai hospital is a prime example of Obamacare disaster, and the state of affairs, and danger it entails.

The health insurance is hiring dumpers and people with no intelligence, or common sense, and individuals who thinks that deception is Professionalism.

I welcome president Trump replacement of Obamacare Health terrorism, and toxicity, in the Health service Community, Emblem Health service females personnels make Obamacare look like a Terror Cell in action.

I thank God everyday for His existence, and keeping me alive, and stopping the guilible ignorant masses in the Health Community from carrying out their demonic, Satanic, criminal lpractice and plans.

Hang Obamacare, and replace it for it is a national security disaster, and detrimental to humanity.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

lindajoy wrote:

Say what you wish the ACA saved nothing for anyone..
Most had and paid for their coverage and treated with chosen Drs they liked.,,

The crux was to insure the 20 million supposed uninsured..

It Was 7 Million That Couldn't Get Coverage
Plus 15 Million That Didn't Want Any
7 + 15 = The 22 We Are Told It Helped

Divine truth

karpenter wrote:

It Was 7 Million That Couldn't Get Coverage
Plus 15 Million That Didn't Want Any
7 + 15 = The 22 We Are Told It Helped

Because we are told it helped, don't make it true, and they don't tell you how many it k**led, or injured or damage for life.

I wish that I could be in the number that did not want the health coverage, because it cause me great pain, suffering and suicidal thoughts.

I wrote to former President Obama, and praise my Jewish A-1 healing doctors, and stated that his health plan was in full effect, before it became law.

I have to recant that statement, and say it was God's working with and through my Jewish A-1 healing doctors, and not Obamacare in full effect, or Mitt Romney health plan in full effect.

Absence Urban dysfunctional minds, the health care system would work much better, and Obamacare wouldn't be a total disaster.

The bottom line is that it was created to employ urban minds, and females, and give them a career, in Health service terrorism.

If it wasn't for the presence of intelligence God fearing, and loving Caucasian females in the Health Community, there would be more deaths, and greater pain and suffering.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

karpenter wrote:

It Was 7 Million That Couldn't Get Coverage
Plus 15 Million That Didn't Want Any
7 + 15 = The 22 We Are Told It Helped

Ok, 22.. So did it work for them?? I know we have some 328 million people in the country too.. Did it work for them???

CarryOn

drlarrygino wrote:

Yes, if Roberts wasn't such a wimp.

Exactly! What a t*****r he was in that decision ..

CarryOn

Radiance3 wrote:

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The ACA was illegal, and should have been corrected during the Obama administration.

You are absolutely right.

woodguru

Radiance3 wrote:

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The ACA was illegal, and should have been corrected during the Obama administration.

They did correct the aspect that was called illegal, the individual mandate that forced to to get healthcare or face penalties. The point that makes this lawsuit negating the rest completely bogus is that they aren't saying that it is now illegal, just that because it had the one thing that was the rest has to go too.

woodguru

jack sequim wa wrote:

Don't the poor that cannot afford healthcare, hav... (show quote)

You talk about bloated hands? Private for profit healthcare industries run at an administration cost in the neighborhood of 50%, medicare under 15%. Medicare and medicaid programs could be cut in half if we addressed the waste and fraud, which congress has refused to do, the house is trying and the senate won't take bills up.

People are in deep doo doo if the ACA is completely struck down including pre existing conditions...

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/478892-trump-scrambles-to-defend-pre-existing-conditions-record-amid-obamacare

woodguru

Liberty Tree wrote:

Not having health insurance is not the same as not having healthcare.

You know who gets hurt when we lose the protection for those who have pre existing conditions? Good hard working people. many who are self employed.

You are exactly right in one respect, people on welfare have healthcare...poor people not so much, and not having health insurance is not having health care. Having healthcare is the difference between being able to get expensive tests early on when there is time to save your life before something like cancer gets to where you are at super expensive end care that the government then is forced to pick up when it's too late.

And by the way, before Obamacare, I found it almost impossible to get healthcare because I had had a hiatal hernia and gall bladder removed. It was not available at any cost, the insurance companies did not want to touch it.

Pre existing conditions coverage has so many tens of millions of people who have been able to get healthcare that virtually every person in this country has to know someone who was able to get healthcare for the first time in a long time. I have a friend who is a contractor who had hepatitis from a blood t***sfusion when he was in his 20's, this was going to hammer his liver and k**l him years early, even though there is a drug that was curing the hepatitis in a few months he couldn't afford it because it costs $80,000 a month. That is a pre existing condition, and they are k*****g people if the insurance industry is not forced to cover people with pre existing conditions. When the ACA passed he got a healthcare plan that covered the hep C drug and he is now cured.

woodguru

Abel wrote:

IMHO: Everyone talks about ACA, an insurance program, and a damned poor one. Why not go after the root of the problem, the cost of health care. If the cost of health care was brought down, the insurance companies would not have to pay so much and the cost of insurance would go down.

We are propagandized constantly on MSM that we may be sick and have to have a doctors advice and some off the wall drug for every little thing. Take care of yourself and tough out the small items. President Trump should go after the abuses of Medicaid and Medicare, phase a lot of the medical costs down, and let the insurance companies handle the rest. He should also phase out the 501c3 tax break that so many charities and churches abuse.

As far as preconditions, insurance people know that these people are at higher risk of needing help, so they should raise their premiums a percentage to cover the risk rather than the socialist method of "spreading the costs" among the taxpayers. There is no reason that I should have to pay for someone to have an elective surgery like a face lift, or a s*x c****e, or breast enhancements, or etc. If they want a change, it is their e******n to get it or not, so let them pay for that change; if it costs too much, get a piggy bank and save up for it, don't just suck harder on the government teat! Elective surgeries are one hell of a lucrative cash cow for doctors, and the costs of hospitals could be brought way down if the Progressives would quit giving unconstitutional health care benefits to i*****l m*****ts.

Big Pharma and Big Medical are major problems in this country, and they continually research for new medicines to attack the symptoms of problems, but after many, many decades of research, they can't cure a common cold, which is mainly because it would adversely effect their profits! Think of all the empty shelves in your local drug store if they found cures for these little things. About the only thing I can think of that they have cured is polio, and that was only because Dr. Salk got it through before Big Pharma could k**l it in the patent office. Sometimes I wonder if their research doesn't purposely lead to new diseases they can release on the public in order to have some drug that relieves the symptoms to sell. Listen sometime to their disclaimers on most of their poisons if you can hear and understand them at the extremely high speed of their ad reader, or their super fine print that you have to have a magnifying glass to read and a law degree to understand.

It appears to me that they want to keep you well enough to work and have money to buy their products, and just sick enough to think you need them. If my wife hadn't gone through our wonderful medical system's "slash, poison, and burn" treatments for a non-malignant lump they discovered in her breast about 12 years ago, she would probably would be alive today.

Of course the Democrats campaign on giving less wealthy people everything under the sun, but when the poor democrats get them v**ed in, they just ask "who the hell are you?" The less wealthy have been v****g for Democrats for many, many decades to better themselves, and in spite of all the Democrat propaganda that they will take care of them, they're still poor! Isn't socialism wonderful?! Freedom isn't free, it's paid for by honest taxpayers and the blood of patriots!

IMHO: Everyone talks about ACA, an insurance progr... (show quote)

You conflate and mix up something with almost everything you say, you say something I agree with and then attribute it to a cause that is completely irrelevant.

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The runaway costs in health care are caused by the people that believe that they should be able to get elective surgery and have others pay for it as well as going to doctors and emergency rooms, and believing Big Pharma and Big Medicine are their friends.
Wrong, pre existing coverage is not about cosmetic face surgeries and s*x c****es, it's about people who have any medical history being higher risk. My wife takes an ulcerative colitis medicine that is $700 a month...that is the problem, ludicrousy expensive pricing that makes no sense.

The runaway cost of healthcare is because the insurance industry runs with administrative costs in the 50% range, that is money going to CEO's and execs, the runaway cost of healthcare is corporations taking drugs that were costing under a hundred dollars and jacking the price to a grand, or ones that cost $15 that are jacked to $700, or chemo drugs that cost ten to fifty thousand a week. I have a friend who has lymphoma, he went through an "experimental" drug that was one million a month. If it was experimental, undergoing trials why should the government be paying these ludicrous costs toward a singe group of people? The drug companies can pay for their own trials.

You talk about the extremes that are problematic to be sure, but thinking in worst case that pisses you off keeps you from seeing the bulk of who is affected.

woodguru

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/478892-trump-scrambles-to-defend-pre-existing-conditions-record-amid-obamacare

This was my point, people do not want the ACA ended, and the president and the GOP knows this. Republicans got slaughtered in 2018 and lost the house because of healthcare. They are looking to end the ACA and pre existing condition rules, and don't want to be honest with those people who are the ones listening to them.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

woodguru wrote:

You talk about bloated hands? Private for profit h... (show quote)

I have to agree that your in the right direction.
There are many avenues other than those recieving "Free" healthcare.
First I'll say, I believe Doctors and especially "Specialist, Doctor's: and hospitals deserve high profits and so do those inventing and fabricating specialized equipment (MRI , CAT scan as examples).
Insurance companies deserve to be profitable.
Most are unaware that hospitals, Specialized Doctors refuse to give "Specific " bids or itemized to the cent, cost of procedures (such as carpal tunnel surgery, heart surgery, any procedure...)
There is no competitive system that allows patients to shop for best Doctors and deals to save $$$$
My next gripe is the FDA that keeps big pharmacy companies having monopoly. The FDA charges millions to get drugs that actually help , keeping hundreds of ligament researchers from bringing drugs at competitive pricing.
My next grip....a very few hospitals have urgent care offices next to emergency room. Those with no primary care doctors, no insurance or high deductible insurance are using the emergency room in Hospitals for the flu, colds, minor injuries that bog down the emergency rooms causing those needing emergency room care extremely long wait times. These seeking care for less urgent needs need care but as many of us know that the highest of all medical healthcare cost are emergency room visits.
However the few hospitals that do have next door urgent care can see, diagnosis and treat patients more quickly and at a small fraction of the cost.
Having mandatory urgent care attached to emergency room facilities would reduce a majority of the high cost hospitals pass on and save ???millions??Billions......

These are only a few on my list that address high cost but ignored in place of an agenda for government interference.

During our generation free market made insurance and it wasn't until the last 15 years we began hearing issues that have now become political.

Jack

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