straightUp Loc: California

Yes... and that's all America needs.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Selfish self interest! Me-ism! You do not deserve the country you live in all the while taking its advantages and opportunities for granted; what's due to you for simply taking care of yourself and your family. One thing for certain, there are millions today who agree with you. Conversely, there are millions who do not. That is not what one should consider a good healthy balance. (In my humble opinion).

son of witless

The Left stands out, I guess that makes them outstanding, for suppressing and oppressing Americans. Which party is on record attacking rights guaranteed in the first 2 Amendments in the Bill of Rights ? The Bill of Rights is special in American history.

When you are the party attacking the first 2 of the Bill of Rights, you are something special. You jump to the head of the class in scumbaggery.

straightUp Loc: California

Why? Because I work for a living so that makes me selfish? I pay for your benefits so that makes me selfish?


Who says I'm taking anything for granted? I already expressed gratitude for the teachers, lawyers and activists that have preserved my liberties. I'm certainly not taking them OR my liberties for granted.


I don't take care of my family in exchange for entitlements mike, I do it out of love. The fact that you would even ask that question leaves me with the impression that you are a far more self-serving person than I am.


Well, I'm sorry not everyone in America agrees with you but that's what happens in a free society where people are allowed to think for themselves. Do you not even believe in the freedoms you claim to be responsible for?

straightUp Loc: California

I think it's criminal how our government treats it's vets.

straightUp Loc: California

I bet you can't find ANYONE on the left that actually opposes the 1st Amendment and I'm betting that what feeds that fantasy of yours (aside from identity politics) is that free speech sometimes crosses lines of decency; even sanity and people react accordingly. This is why most Americans with any sense of civility struggle with the 1st Amendment and it happens all the time on BOTH SIDES! It's also pretty common for someone on one side to isolate the incidents on the other side and take them out of context to create a false impression that suits their narrative. Anyone who thinks ANY American (Republican, Democrat or otherwise) is attacking the First Amendment, needs to reconsider their source.

The liberal opposition to the 2nd Amendment is also way overblown. It's not quite like the First Amendment because there ARE those on the left who think the Second Amendment is antiquated, but they are a tiny majority of the left. Most gun control advocates support the right to bear arms but are simply asking for some regulation and in THAT respect it IS like the First Amendment, because we find ourselves asking the same question... "To what extent?"

son of witless

I admire your courage. You actually have the guts to say to me that I am wrong when I say that L*****ts are against the Free Speech guaranteed in the First Amendment. I am the one person on OPP who constantly calls out your bat crap crazy brethren when they post something that on it's face, sounds like it cannot be true. Rarely do your Liberal Brethren bother to prove their wild claims after I challenge them. Generally they flee the scene of their word crime.

So here you are challenging me on something I have posted. I am literally in shock, but I will recover quickly and give you evidence of what I say.

So here is a quite obvious example of Liberals seeking to punish those whose only crime is to publicly disagree with conventional Liberal dogma. I mean people who are called C*****e C****e Deniers. Now I will not debate whether G****l W*****g is real, it is not, but that is another argument. My point is to show that Liberals seek to punish the Free Speech of anyone who disagrees with them.

So here is a quote from an article that calls deniers murderers. " It is past time to call out Trump and all climate deniers for this crime against humanity. No more treating climate denial like an honest difference of opinion. " https://www.thenation.com/article/climate-denialism-is-literally-k*****g-us/

Daring to use the Constitutionally protected right of free speech is a " crime against humanity ". But wait, wait it gets better. I will now delve into the attacks on free speech on college campuses. Even you have to be aware of how liberal left wing students seek to silence anyone whom the disagree with. Even you cannot be ignorant of this, but in case you are.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/the-ongoing-challenge-to-define-free-speech/thwarting-speech-on-college-campuses/

Then your comment on Liberals trying to attack the Second Amendment, " The liberal opposition to the 2nd Amendment is also way overblown. It's not quite like the First Amendment because there ARE those on the left who think the Second Amendment is antiquated, but they are a tiny majority of the left. Most gun control advocates support the right to bear arms but are simply asking for some regulation and in THAT respect it IS like the First Amendment, because we find ourselves asking the same question... "

Now that ridiculous comment I will reserve comment for another day, because I have already violated my strict rule of brevity.

straightUp Loc: California

Well, after all that posing it better be good.


Yeah, one thing at a time there cowboy. The First Amendment starts off with... "Congress shall make no law respecting..." and then it lists off a few specific freedoms, free speech being among them. So, it's an overriding law that says Congress can't pass a law that interferes with free speech. Nation Magazine isn't Congress, nor are they trying to legally silence Trump.

Look, I'm sorry you're offended by the views expressed in that article, but just because people say things you don't like doesn't mean they're breaking the First Amendment. That law is there to protect us from being silenced by a government not from being offended by each other.


You might want to actually read that article. They bring up cases where conservative students are also attacking the free speech of liberal students. Let me just jump ahead here and say that while these students are interfering with each other's free speech they are not actually violating the First Amendment. In fact that would be impossible because the law only applies to Congress, not students.

That being said, and given the bipartisan account of that ABA article - I would say you have a whole lot of nothing here.


Well, just make sure you know what you're talking about next time so I don't wind up schooling you again.

son of witless

I have a question before we continue. Since you are schooling me, I want to know that I have your meaning right. I do not want you to accuse me of k*****g straw men. You said " So, it's an overriding law that says Congress can't pass a law that interferes with free speech. "

Are you saying that the First Amendment Protection applies only to laws that the US Congress has passed ? That is the way I take your meaning.