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Jan 21, 2020 18:14:07   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
padremike wrote:
You said,

"I hope this doesn't offend you too much. I'm not trying to insult those who served, like I said I have great admiration for those who put themselves in harms way thinking they're fighting for their country. I just don't think they realize how they're being used or how unrelated their efforts really are to American freedom. Most times, I just don't have the heart to break it to them."

How arrogant!

Nah, I think it's just a perspective that offends you.

padremike wrote:

I retired from the military 41 years ago. When someone thanks me for my service it embarrasses me. It embarrasses me because regardless of the hardships military members and their families endure IT WAS AN HONOR, my honor TO SERVE. I don't
need affirmation.

Well, that's good! I never suggested you needed any affirmation. I just said I can't find any reason to thank you for serving, that's all. So if you don't need affirmation then we're good, right?

padremike wrote:

And you don't have the heart to tell us we were used.

Well, it's a touchy subject. I mean these kids are putting their lives on the line for something they think is worth dying for and it's not like they can change their mind. So what - I'm just going to tell them their wrong?

padremike wrote:

Where I feel used is because I did not serve so that Progressive philosophy and agenda could force feed the d********g immorality they believe are Rights and their efforts to use our Constitution against us.

You're 100% correct. You're service had nothing to do with the political freedom that you think progressives are abusing. Those freedoms were already there before you came along and at no point in your lifetime have they ever been threatened by outside forces. It's a shame you think THAT's what you were being used for.

So, you retired 41 years ago... so 1979... Were you in Vietnam?

padremike wrote:

I remember you said, not long ago, that it "rocks" to be you. I wondered at the time what you have done with your life that makes you so special to yourself.

If I remember correctly, I was responding to an insult when I said it rocks to be me but it basically means I am happy with who I am and the life I made for myself, that's all.

padremike wrote:

If you ever want know the cost of your freedom visit a VA or military hospital.

Well, I wouldn't call that the cost of my freedom - it's more like an unknowing sacrifice to commercial empires that have nothing to do with my freedom.

Look, we're not going to agree on this one. I wasn't born yesterday... I know WTF I am talking about. It's an uneasy discussion BECAUSE of the sacrifices people make in the military. So it's almost impossible to bring up the ugly t***h of the matter without some degree of insensitivity. I'm only doing this with you because I am an anonymous blip in the Internet to you so I doubt your going to lose any sleep over what I have to say.

What I CAN say is that I sympathize with those who have suffered in the line of duty and I am a strong advocate of better VA services, I also admire the courage of those who serve and though I don't buy the whole "defending my freedom" thing I do realize that this is exactly what these young men and women are thinking when they jump into harms way and for that I appreciate what they are willing to do for all of us.

So let's just leave it at that, ok?

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Jan 21, 2020 18:27:14   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
4430, why was it so important to you that Barracuda answer that question? I don't see how it has any bearing on Trump's lack of military service or any resulting criticism about it. Barracuda isn't the Commander in Chief - Trump is.

When I turned 18 I registered for the draft just in case it was reinstated and my country needed me. But like Barracuda, I had plans for my life that didn't include the service, so long as it was optional. But I also had a conviction from early on that the U.S. military is being used to suit the needs of the plutocracy, mostly Big Oil and they k**l a lot of innocent people for that money. So I take tremendous p***e in NOT serving.

Not so sound h**eful, but I don't thank the military either. I used to fly in and out of San Diego all the time and I would often have conversations with young Marines on leave. Great kids and I admire their courage and their passion, but I never thanked them because that would be dishonest coming from me. Thank them for what? My freedom? What does that even mean?

I've lived in a number of places outside the U.S. and found that they have as much freedom out there as we do in here. I suppose one could argue that we have more freedom when it comes to buying guns, but that's about it. It doesn't seem like much because you can still own a gun in England as I did, you just can't by military grade, that's all.

And who is the military supposedly defending our freedom from? I can't think of ANY nation that wants to invade the U.S. and take away our freedoms and it's not because the U.S. military is a deterrent, it's because there's no actual reason to do it.

Seriously, there isn't much here that invaders can take that isn't already for sale. The difference is that when countries like China purchase large shares of America they get all the benefits without the liabilities of military occupation.

I'm not saying America is safe from threats, there's plenty of threat out there, but it's mostly coming from within our system which is something the military is useless against. I see conservatives impeding on freedom everytime they tell gay people they can't get married. I see liberals impeding on freedom everytime they tell gun enthusiasts they can't by an AK-47. And you know who I see defending these freedoms? Lawyers. As unpopular as they are in our pop-culture, lawyers and activists are the real champions of our freedom, not the military.

If anything, I think the military should be thanking the citizens for taking care of them. A tremendous amount of tax dollars goes to pay for everything the military does, from the munitions they use to the food they eat. The military has long been a sanctuary for young men who have trouble standing up on their own with great options like a paid college education... Paid by who? Paid by the American tax payers and what do those tax payers get back in return? Imaginary protection from imaginary threats to our freedom? Less funding for things like healthcare?

I hope this doesn't offend you too much. I'm not trying to insult those who served, like I said I have great admiration for those who put themselves in harms way thinking they're fighting for their country. I just don't think they realize how they're being used or how unrelated their efforts really are to American freedom. Most times, I just don't have the heart to break it to them.
4430, why was it so important to you that Barracud... (show quote)


One of the few people I've heard who have been bold enough to defend that point of view, and I have to agree with you.

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Jan 21, 2020 18:41:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
One of the few people I've heard who have been bold enough to defend that point of view, and I have to agree with you.

Yeah, it's a tough one, that's for sure.

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Jan 21, 2020 18:52:50   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Well, because in the palces you listed........They are smart enough to know that s**t just ain't normal, and because it's pushed down our throats daily so it would become common place......does not make that s**t normal by any sane standards.

I said s**t twice....no pun intended.

LOL - Well, my point was pretty simple. Bottom line - conservatives are interfering with freedom when they tell gay people they can't get married. I don't see how personal opinions about what is "normal" makes any difference.

Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:

Wewilly is done ranting for the day.

You have a good one straitUp

You too willy.

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Jan 21, 2020 19:42:00   #
Cuda2020
 
4430 wrote:
When I hear someone demand that someone else should serve but didn't I always ask them if they did or didn't !

I kept pushing since it seemed he didn't want to answer like he was ashamed to answer , however he finally did answer I don't understand why it was so hard to do !

A neighbor was in the service and his Dad had a bad heart attack so they got him out of the service for him to come home ans take over managing the farm !

He never lived that down as he came home and families that lived in the community gave him a hard time because many others sons had to stay in the service but he got to come home !

All you Trump h**ers are on Trumps case because he got turned down and neither do you all nor do I know what the reason was for him getting out if it was true or not !

In your minds he was just like my neighbor he got out so you all are going to shove in in his face every time you can !

Have any of you ever been falsely accused of something you were innocent of well it's not nice to put it mildly !

One never knows when karma might come back your way and you all might feel the blunt of being falsely accused then you might realize how it feels .
When I hear someone demand that someone else shoul... (show quote)


I never said someone should serve, I said Trump who had never served really had no right to criticize people who had, especially generals.

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Jan 21, 2020 19:51:03   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, I wouldn't call that the cost of my freedom - it's more like an unknowing sacrifice to commercial empires that have nothing to do with my freedom.

Look, we're not going to agree on this one. I wasn't born yesterday... I know WTF I am talking about. It's an uneasy discussion BECAUSE of the sacrifices people make in the military. So it's almost impossible to bring up the ugly t***h of the matter without some degree of insensitivity. I'm only doing this with you because I am an anonymous blip in the Internet to you so I doubt your going to lose any sleep over what I have to say.

What I CAN say is that I sympathize with those who have suffered in the line of duty and I am a strong advocate of better VA services, I also admire the courage of those who serve and though I don't buy the whole "defending my freedom" thing I do realize that this is exactly what these young men and women are thinking when they jump into harms way and for that I appreciate what they are willing to do for all of us.

So let's just leave it at that, ok?
Well, I wouldn't call that the cost of my freedom ... (show quote)


Why leave it there? Continue to prove what a bigoted, spigoted, overpercolated prig you are. It would have been simpler just to call you an ass! It must be in the water in California.

You are correct inasmuch as I won't lose any sleep over you, however, you are a sympton of the degradation that is consuming America.

Did I miss the part in which you explained to us your contribution to America except your presence?

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Jan 21, 2020 19:58:11   #
Cuda2020
 
straightUp wrote:
Again... every time I log in... and you know what? It's not a big deal. Trump spends his time in the lap of luxury surrounded by people who worship him, not with the common people who criticize him. So I wouldn't worry too much.


You were exactly right, it was irrelevant and I said that to her, but she ignored that and still for some reason she pressed on. Personally I think the reason was obvious.

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Jan 21, 2020 23:21:37   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Ah Seth, back in the propaganda trench again huh, you're in so deep you can't get out, the predicament of many on the far right. I'm happy to give you a hand up out of that misery trough. Try and stop hating Americans.


Keep deluding yourself my bother is a vet did 2 tours in Nam he's in his 70's been complaining since he came back. The VA in 3 different states he's lived in kept telling him nothing is wrong go home this last DR. is a Muslim woman who wears the Muslim outfit that you can't see anything but hers eye's did the same we convinced him to go to a civilian Dr and guess what first thing she asked him after all the test she did were you ever in an area with agent orange he told her we all were they were dropping that stuff all over us. She said all his problems stemmed from that after all these years she got him full disability a month later after the VA called and told him his blood work was fine this Dr got a copy made him do another test he has dormant leukemia funny what they consider OK. This is the care our men are given and get this they sent out to all nam vets asking them to give up their benefits to desert storm soldiers

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Jan 21, 2020 23:26:37   #
Tug484
 
bggamers wrote:
Keep deluding yourself my bother is a vet did 2 tours in Nam he's in his 70's been complaining since he came back. The VA in 3 different states he's lived in kept telling him nothing is wrong go home this last DR. is a Muslim woman who wears the Muslim outfit that you can't see anything but hers eye's did the same we convinced him to go to a civilian Dr and guess what first thing she asked him after all the test she did were you ever in an area with agent orange he told her we all were they were dropping that stuff all over us. She said all his problems stemmed from that after all these years she got him full disability a month later after the VA called and told him his blood work was fine this Dr got a copy made him do another test he has dormant leukemia funny what they consider OK. This is the care our men are given and get this they sent out to all nam vets asking them to give up their benefits to desert storm soldiers
Keep deluding yourself my bother is a vet did 2 to... (show quote)


How true.
The VA worked pretty well until Obama and it became nothing but a building full of foreign drs. that you couldn't even understand.
Worthless!

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Jan 22, 2020 08:44:33   #
Cuda2020
 
bggamers wrote:
Keep deluding yourself my bother is a vet did 2 tours in Nam he's in his 70's been complaining since he came back. The VA in 3 different states he's lived in kept telling him nothing is wrong go home this last DR. is a Muslim woman who wears the Muslim outfit that you can't see anything but hers eye's did the same we convinced him to go to a civilian Dr and guess what first thing she asked him after all the test she did were you ever in an area with agent orange he told her we all were they were dropping that stuff all over us. She said all his problems stemmed from that after all these years she got him full disability a month later after the VA called and told him his blood work was fine this Dr got a copy made him do another test he has dormant leukemia funny what they consider OK. This is the care our men are given and get this they sent out to all nam vets asking them to give up their benefits to desert storm soldiers
Keep deluding yourself my bother is a vet did 2 to... (show quote)


After your comment, I do believe you're confused on my comment, which was in reference to the government not doing enough for the vets. I had two older brothers in Nam, both are now deceased, yeah they made it through, I was lucky by the time I came of age the war was over along with the draft...but like you one of my brothers died from leukemia also, assumed from agent orange. I hear ya.

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Jan 22, 2020 08:51:46   #
Cuda2020
 
padremike wrote:
Why leave it there? Continue to prove what a bigoted, spigoted, overpercolated prig you are. It would have been simpler just to call you an ass! It must be in the water in California.

You are correct inasmuch as I won't lose any sleep over you, however, you are a sympton of the degradation that is consuming America.

Did I miss the part in which you explained to us your contribution to America except your presence?


I think you have anger issues, why don't you dial it back a bit, you may like what he has to say but that doesn't mean it's not valid, it is. These things that people bring to the surface enables us to see some t***h in it and allows us to make the corrections and find resolve, try thinking of it in those terms instead of simply being outraged, don't take it personally.

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Jan 22, 2020 10:20:43   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I think you have anger issues, why don't you dial it back a bit, you may like what he has to say but that doesn't mean it's not valid, it is. These things that people bring to the surface enables us to see some t***h in it and allows us to make the corrections and find resolve, try thinking of it in those terms instead of simply being outraged, don't take it personally.


Thank you for your concern and I quite agree I do have what psychobabble would describe as anger issues. I am very angry at how the progressive ideology and agenda are destroying the moral, spiritual, patriotic, ethical, educational and government ethos and Traditions of America just to name a few. They have replaced these values with the acceptance of hedonism, socialism, a disdain for the spiritual and a severely undisciplined (self discipline) number of people who also have disdain for America. Understand, if you are able, that my anger is a righteous anger based on the T***h and Traditions of right and wrong once basic to the huge majority of the American people - especially those with strong spiritual roots. This was when we once possessed strong family foundations, the spine of our Republic, that is now perilously in decline. The Progressive philosophy and agenda has promoted the acceptance of moral relativism deep into their newly created American understanding of right and wrong, good and evil. That which was once known to be evil or wrong they promote as good, as virtuous. All heresy contains a tiny bit of easily recognized t***h to make the heresy appear virtuous, acceptable and desirable to those who are easily swayed. We find no reason to compromise with those whose ultimate goal, unknowingly, will put an end to our nation and our way of life. Yes, It makes me angry to witness the incalculable damage and decline progressives have wrought amongst us and the late response that passive and lazy True Patriots and Spiritual Americans took in resisting them. I suppose we thought it was just another passing movement like the hippies. We were so very wrong.

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Jan 22, 2020 15:36:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
padremike wrote:
Why leave it there? Continue to prove what a bigoted, spigoted, overpercolated prig you are. It would have been simpler just to call you an ass! It must be in the water in California.

You are correct inasmuch as I won't lose any sleep over you, however, you are a sympton of the degradation that is consuming America.

Did I miss the part in which you explained to us your contribution to America except your presence?

I work Mike. I provide for my family, I obey the laws of my community and I pay taxes, just like millions of other Americans without which the government could not afford to pay for a military, or things like VA benefits. That is my contribution. Anymore questions?

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Jan 22, 2020 16:03:46   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
After your comment, I do believe you're confused on my comment, which was in reference to the government not doing enough for the vets. I had two older brothers in Nam, both are now deceased, yeah they made it through, I was lucky by the time I came of age the war was over along with the draft...but like you one of my brothers died from leukemia also, assumed from agent orange. I hear ya.


Sorry for the misunderstanding but this VA thing really upsets me.Thanks for the (nice) reply I do read the post that are on reply and hit the person doing the reply but also misunderstanding is also there for me to trip over many are like at 1/2 am after I've taken something to help me sleep I don't know which you got caught in but sorry

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Jan 22, 2020 16:46:17   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
straightUp wrote:
I work Mike. I provide for my family, I obey the laws of my community and I pay taxes, just like millions of other Americans without which the government could not afford to pay for a military, or things like VA benefits. That is my contribution. Anymore questions?


That's expected of all able bodied citizens.

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