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Jan 15, 2020 19:33:30   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Down As 2020 Begins
January 12, 2020
by Michael Snyder

Lost in all of the headlines about Iran and impeachment is the fact that the U.S. economic slowdown which began during the latter stages of last year appears to be accelerating.

The final numbers which will tell us if we are officially in a recession at this moment won’t be released until months from now, but for millions upon millions of Americans it definitely feels like one has already started.

Yes, the stock market has been soaring, but at this point the stock market has become completely divorced from economic reality. And as you will see later in this article, stock prices are now the most overvalued that they have ever been in all of American history.

But before we get to that, let’s talk about what is happening in the real economy.

The following are 12 signs that the economy is seriously slowing down as 2020 begins…

#1 The U.S. Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index has been in contraction for 5 months in a row, and it is now at the lowest level we have seen since June 2009.

#2 Last month, manufacturing employment fell at the fastest pace we have seen since August 2009.

#3 Last month, new manufacturing orders fell at the fastest pace we have seen since April 2009.

#4 Chicago PMI has been contracting for 4 months in a row.

#5 European manufacturing PMI declined again in December.

#6 Borden Dairy, one of the largest dairy companies in the entire world, declared bankruptcy just a few days ago.

#7 Earlier this month, the Baltic Dry Index had its worst day in 6 years.

#8 Overall, the decline in the Baltic Dry Index this month is the largest that we have seen since 2008.

#9 The auto recession just continues to get even worse. Thanks to the substantial slowdown we witnessed during the second half of 2019, the total number of cars and trucks sold in the United States during all of 2019 was actually below the level that we witnessed back in 2000 when our population was significantly smaller.

#10 Used heavy duty truck prices have fallen “as much as 50%“.

#11 Macy’s just announced that they will be closing 28 stores.

#12 To start the year, AT&T is laying off thousands of workers, and according to Robert Reich those being laid off “will have to train their foreign replacements“.

Of course many of the “experts” continue to assure us that everything will be just fine.

In fact, one panel of “experts” recently came to the conclusion that there is “almost no chance of a recession this year”.

That would be absolutely wonderful news if it was true.

Sadly, the numbers that I just shared with you tell a completely different story. They tell the story of an economy that is most definitely heading for a recession.

And according to John Williams of shadowstats.com, if the government was using honest numbers they would show that we are actually in a recession right now.

But what about the stock market?

Shouldn’t the fact that stock prices have been soaring be seen as an optimistic sign?

Well, there have been a few other stock bubbles of this nature throughout our history, and all of them have ended very badly.

In 1929, stock prices were at an all-time record high and it seemed like the economic good times would never end.

But then the stock market crashed and we plummeted into the Great Depression of the 1930s.

In 2000, the dotcom bubble pushed stock prices to absolutely absurd heights, but then stock prices quickly collapsed when the bubble burst and the U.S. economy fell into a very painful recession.

During the years leading up to 2008, stock prices once again rose to dizzying levels and it seemed like the party would last indefinitely.

But then the financial crisis struck, and the Great Recession of 2008 and 2009 was the most excruciating economic downturn our nation has experienced since the 1930s.

Unfortunately, we are even more primed for a stock market crash now than we were in any of the previous examples that I just shared.

So how do I know this?

Well, for one thing P/E ratios have become ridiculously inflated. The following comes from Marketwatch…

Indeed stocks are overvalued according to the popular measure of price-to-earnings (P/E) — which compares the price of one share of stock to one year of per-share earnings relative to recent history. The S&P 500 index SPX, -0.29% is trading at 18.6 times forward earnings, according to FactSet data, above the average ratio of 16.7 during the past five years and 14.9 over the past ten.
In addition, price-to-sales ratios for the S&P 500 are now at the highest level in all of U.S. history…

The above chart, from Ned Davis Research, shows that price relative to sales for the S&P 500 is at a record high, “well in excess of what they were in 2000 or 2007 at those peaks,” wrote Ned Davis in a Wednesday note to clients.

Other measures, like the median price to earnings ratio — which exclude the skewed effects of very profitable and very unprofitable companies — shows the S&P 500 overvalued by nearly 30% versus the typical valuation level seen since 1964.

In other words, in the entire history of the United States stock prices have never been more overvalued than they are at this moment.

And every other time we have seen stock price ratios get this high, an absolutely horrifying stock market crash has followed.

The optimists are insisting that things will somehow turn out differently this time.

They assure us that everything is under control and that very bright days are ahead.

You can believe them if you want, but every indicator is pointing in the opposite direction.
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Dow... (show quote)


You are Democrats mouthpiece,please take another vacation!!!!!

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Jan 15, 2020 19:43:43   #
Sicilianthing
 
proud republican wrote:
You are Democrats mouthpiece,please take another vacation!!!!!


>>>

Would you like more realtime stats about the economy ?

I have plenty to keep posting...but dont shoot the messenger PR and I’m not a Democrat either.

But, you’re being played and bad.

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Jan 16, 2020 09:56:26   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

The Constitution was designed to make sure good things like America don’t come to an end.

Uhhh and sorry to inform you but anyone can be evil and greedy..depends how far you push them or they spiral due to circumstances.

You ever heard of;

Bad Things happen to good people, makes good people do Bad Things?

Even who you think are Good People are nothing more than 2 legged Rats with a facade really.

Put them in a cage for survival with other 2 legged rats and watch what happens.
>>> br br The Constitution was designed ... (show quote)


Si, you sure are a happy camper.

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Jan 16, 2020 12:27:47   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
Si, you sure are a happy camper.


>>>

I’m a realist and I’m actively involved in economic data searches daily.

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Jan 16, 2020 12:50:31   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Down As 2020 Begins
January 12, 2020
by Michael Snyder

Lost in all of the headlines about Iran and impeachment is the fact that the U.S. economic slowdown which began during the latter stages of last year appears to be accelerating.

The final numbers which will tell us if we are officially in a recession at this moment won’t be released until months from now, but for millions upon millions of Americans it definitely feels like one has already started.

Yes, the stock market has been soaring, but at this point the stock market has become completely divorced from economic reality. And as you will see later in this article, stock prices are now the most overvalued that they have ever been in all of American history.

But before we get to that, let’s talk about what is happening in the real economy.

The following are 12 signs that the economy is seriously slowing down as 2020 begins…

#1 The U.S. Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index has been in contraction for 5 months in a row, and it is now at the lowest level we have seen since June 2009.

#2 Last month, manufacturing employment fell at the fastest pace we have seen since August 2009.

#3 Last month, new manufacturing orders fell at the fastest pace we have seen since April 2009.

#4 Chicago PMI has been contracting for 4 months in a row.

#5 European manufacturing PMI declined again in December.

#6 Borden Dairy, one of the largest dairy companies in the entire world, declared bankruptcy just a few days ago.

#7 Earlier this month, the Baltic Dry Index had its worst day in 6 years.

#8 Overall, the decline in the Baltic Dry Index this month is the largest that we have seen since 2008.

#9 The auto recession just continues to get even worse. Thanks to the substantial slowdown we witnessed during the second half of 2019, the total number of cars and trucks sold in the United States during all of 2019 was actually below the level that we witnessed back in 2000 when our population was significantly smaller.

#10 Used heavy duty truck prices have fallen “as much as 50%“.

#11 Macy’s just announced that they will be closing 28 stores.

#12 To start the year, AT&T is laying off thousands of workers, and according to Robert Reich those being laid off “will have to train their foreign replacements“.

Of course many of the “experts” continue to assure us that everything will be just fine.

In fact, one panel of “experts” recently came to the conclusion that there is “almost no chance of a recession this year”.

That would be absolutely wonderful news if it was true.

Sadly, the numbers that I just shared with you tell a completely different story. They tell the story of an economy that is most definitely heading for a recession.

And according to John Williams of shadowstats.com, if the government was using honest numbers they would show that we are actually in a recession right now.

But what about the stock market?

Shouldn’t the fact that stock prices have been soaring be seen as an optimistic sign?

Well, there have been a few other stock bubbles of this nature throughout our history, and all of them have ended very badly.

In 1929, stock prices were at an all-time record high and it seemed like the economic good times would never end.

But then the stock market crashed and we plummeted into the Great Depression of the 1930s.

In 2000, the dotcom bubble pushed stock prices to absolutely absurd heights, but then stock prices quickly collapsed when the bubble burst and the U.S. economy fell into a very painful recession.

During the years leading up to 2008, stock prices once again rose to dizzying levels and it seemed like the party would last indefinitely.

But then the financial crisis struck, and the Great Recession of 2008 and 2009 was the most excruciating economic downturn our nation has experienced since the 1930s.

Unfortunately, we are even more primed for a stock market crash now than we were in any of the previous examples that I just shared.

So how do I know this?

Well, for one thing P/E ratios have become ridiculously inflated. The following comes from Marketwatch…

Indeed stocks are overvalued according to the popular measure of price-to-earnings (P/E) — which compares the price of one share of stock to one year of per-share earnings relative to recent history. The S&P 500 index SPX, -0.29% is trading at 18.6 times forward earnings, according to FactSet data, above the average ratio of 16.7 during the past five years and 14.9 over the past ten.
In addition, price-to-sales ratios for the S&P 500 are now at the highest level in all of U.S. history…

The above chart, from Ned Davis Research, shows that price relative to sales for the S&P 500 is at a record high, “well in excess of what they were in 2000 or 2007 at those peaks,” wrote Ned Davis in a Wednesday note to clients.

Other measures, like the median price to earnings ratio — which exclude the skewed effects of very profitable and very unprofitable companies — shows the S&P 500 overvalued by nearly 30% versus the typical valuation level seen since 1964.

In other words, in the entire history of the United States stock prices have never been more overvalued than they are at this moment.

And every other time we have seen stock price ratios get this high, an absolutely horrifying stock market crash has followed.

The optimists are insisting that things will somehow turn out differently this time.

They assure us that everything is under control and that very bright days are ahead.

You can believe them if you want, but every indicator is pointing in the opposite direction.
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Dow... (show quote)


The stock market values are not reliable anyway, what with alll the monopoly money poured out into the system. In fact, I think all indicators are not reliable for that very reason, although I am certainly not an expert. And many an expert have been warning of immanent crash since Trump was elected. The point being , how could we know one way or the other. We are in uncharted waters.

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Jan 16, 2020 12:56:45   #
Hug
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The stock market values are not reliable anyway, what with alll the monopoly money poured out into the system. In fact, I think all indicators are not reliable for that very reason, although I am certainly not an expert. And many an expert have been warning of immanent crash since Trump was elected. The point being , how could we know one way or the other. We are in uncharted waters.

Si, you worry too much. Hope you have arranged for someone to bring a U-Haul to your funeral so you can take it with you.

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Jan 16, 2020 12:57:45   #
Sicilianthing
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The stock market values are not reliable anyway, what with alll the monopoly money poured out into the system. In fact, I think all indicators are not reliable for that very reason, although I am certainly not an expert. And many an expert have been warning of immanent crash since Trump was elected. The point being , how could we know one way or the other. We are in uncharted waters.


>>>

Very true so the obvious is the obvious...

Deductive reasoning would make one cautious and very skeptical at this point.

I see the Senate just approved the new USMCA deal - total TREASON !
Giving away our sovereignty to a foreign body politic...

This is grounds for action.

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Jan 16, 2020 13:05:15   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Very true so the obvious is the obvious...

Deductive reasoning would make one cautious and very skeptical at this point.

I see the Senate just approved the new USMCA deal - total TREASON !
Giving away our sovereignty to a foreign body politic...

This is grounds for action.

Si, you need to go find a good house of prostition and relax.

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Jan 16, 2020 14:58:21   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
Si, you worry too much. Hope you have arranged for someone to bring a U-Haul to your funeral so you can take it with you.


>>>

F..K UHaul and I dont care.

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Jan 16, 2020 15:00:12   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
Si, you need to go find a good house of prostition and relax.


>>>

‘F’ all them byatches... I dont need the drama..., but getting laid would be nice if she has her head screwed on straight.

Otherwise, I’m OUT !

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