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Jan 15, 2020 17:20:59   #
Sicilianthing
 
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Down As 2020 Begins
January 12, 2020
by Michael Snyder

Lost in all of the headlines about Iran and impeachment is the fact that the U.S. economic slowdown which began during the latter stages of last year appears to be accelerating.

The final numbers which will tell us if we are officially in a recession at this moment won’t be released until months from now, but for millions upon millions of Americans it definitely feels like one has already started.

Yes, the stock market has been soaring, but at this point the stock market has become completely divorced from economic reality. And as you will see later in this article, stock prices are now the most overvalued that they have ever been in all of American history.

But before we get to that, let’s talk about what is happening in the real economy.

The following are 12 signs that the economy is seriously slowing down as 2020 begins…

#1 The U.S. Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index has been in contraction for 5 months in a row, and it is now at the lowest level we have seen since June 2009.

#2 Last month, manufacturing employment fell at the fastest pace we have seen since August 2009.

#3 Last month, new manufacturing orders fell at the fastest pace we have seen since April 2009.

#4 Chicago PMI has been contracting for 4 months in a row.

#5 European manufacturing PMI declined again in December.

#6 Borden Dairy, one of the largest dairy companies in the entire world, declared bankruptcy just a few days ago.

#7 Earlier this month, the Baltic Dry Index had its worst day in 6 years.

#8 Overall, the decline in the Baltic Dry Index this month is the largest that we have seen since 2008.

#9 The auto recession just continues to get even worse. Thanks to the substantial slowdown we witnessed during the second half of 2019, the total number of cars and trucks sold in the United States during all of 2019 was actually below the level that we witnessed back in 2000 when our population was significantly smaller.

#10 Used heavy duty truck prices have fallen “as much as 50%“.

#11 Macy’s just announced that they will be closing 28 stores.

#12 To start the year, AT&T is laying off thousands of workers, and according to Robert Reich those being laid off “will have to train their foreign replacements“.

Of course many of the “experts” continue to assure us that everything will be just fine.

In fact, one panel of “experts” recently came to the conclusion that there is “almost no chance of a recession this year”.

That would be absolutely wonderful news if it was true.

Sadly, the numbers that I just shared with you tell a completely different story. They tell the story of an economy that is most definitely heading for a recession.

And according to John Williams of shadowstats.com, if the government was using honest numbers they would show that we are actually in a recession right now.

But what about the stock market?

Shouldn’t the fact that stock prices have been soaring be seen as an optimistic sign?

Well, there have been a few other stock bubbles of this nature throughout our history, and all of them have ended very badly.

In 1929, stock prices were at an all-time record high and it seemed like the economic good times would never end.

But then the stock market crashed and we plummeted into the Great Depression of the 1930s.

In 2000, the dotcom bubble pushed stock prices to absolutely absurd heights, but then stock prices quickly collapsed when the bubble burst and the U.S. economy fell into a very painful recession.

During the years leading up to 2008, stock prices once again rose to dizzying levels and it seemed like the party would last indefinitely.

But then the financial crisis struck, and the Great Recession of 2008 and 2009 was the most excruciating economic downturn our nation has experienced since the 1930s.

Unfortunately, we are even more primed for a stock market crash now than we were in any of the previous examples that I just shared.

So how do I know this?

Well, for one thing P/E ratios have become ridiculously inflated. The following comes from Marketwatch…

Indeed stocks are overvalued according to the popular measure of price-to-earnings (P/E) — which compares the price of one share of stock to one year of per-share earnings relative to recent history. The S&P 500 index SPX, -0.29% is trading at 18.6 times forward earnings, according to FactSet data, above the average ratio of 16.7 during the past five years and 14.9 over the past ten.
In addition, price-to-sales ratios for the S&P 500 are now at the highest level in all of U.S. history…

The above chart, from Ned Davis Research, shows that price relative to sales for the S&P 500 is at a record high, “well in excess of what they were in 2000 or 2007 at those peaks,” wrote Ned Davis in a Wednesday note to clients.

Other measures, like the median price to earnings ratio — which exclude the skewed effects of very profitable and very unprofitable companies — shows the S&P 500 overvalued by nearly 30% versus the typical valuation level seen since 1964.

In other words, in the entire history of the United States stock prices have never been more overvalued than they are at this moment.

And every other time we have seen stock price ratios get this high, an absolutely horrifying stock market crash has followed.

The optimists are insisting that things will somehow turn out differently this time.

They assure us that everything is under control and that very bright days are ahead.

You can believe them if you want, but every indicator is pointing in the opposite direction.

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Jan 15, 2020 17:27:51   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Down As 2020 Begins
January 12, 2020
by Michael Snyder

Lost in all of the headlines about Iran and impeachment is the fact that the U.S. economic slowdown which began during the latter stages of last year appears to be accelerating.

The final numbers which will tell us if we are officially in a recession at this moment won’t be released until months from now, but for millions upon millions of Americans it definitely feels like one has already started.

Yes, the stock market has been soaring, but at this point the stock market has become completely divorced from economic reality. And as you will see later in this article, stock prices are now the most overvalued that they have ever been in all of American history.

But before we get to that, let’s talk about what is happening in the real economy.

The following are 12 signs that the economy is seriously slowing down as 2020 begins…

#1 The U.S. Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index has been in contraction for 5 months in a row, and it is now at the lowest level we have seen since June 2009.

#2 Last month, manufacturing employment fell at the fastest pace we have seen since August 2009.

#3 Last month, new manufacturing orders fell at the fastest pace we have seen since April 2009.

#4 Chicago PMI has been contracting for 4 months in a row.

#5 European manufacturing PMI declined again in December.

#6 Borden Dairy, one of the largest dairy companies in the entire world, declared bankruptcy just a few days ago.

#7 Earlier this month, the Baltic Dry Index had its worst day in 6 years.

#8 Overall, the decline in the Baltic Dry Index this month is the largest that we have seen since 2008.

#9 The auto recession just continues to get even worse. Thanks to the substantial slowdown we witnessed during the second half of 2019, the total number of cars and trucks sold in the United States during all of 2019 was actually below the level that we witnessed back in 2000 when our population was significantly smaller.

#10 Used heavy duty truck prices have fallen “as much as 50%“.

#11 Macy’s just announced that they will be closing 28 stores.

#12 To start the year, AT&T is laying off thousands of workers, and according to Robert Reich those being laid off “will have to train their foreign replacements“.

Of course many of the “experts” continue to assure us that everything will be just fine.

In fact, one panel of “experts” recently came to the conclusion that there is “almost no chance of a recession this year”.

That would be absolutely wonderful news if it was true.

Sadly, the numbers that I just shared with you tell a completely different story. They tell the story of an economy that is most definitely heading for a recession.

And according to John Williams of shadowstats.com, if the government was using honest numbers they would show that we are actually in a recession right now.

But what about the stock market?

Shouldn’t the fact that stock prices have been soaring be seen as an optimistic sign?

Well, there have been a few other stock bubbles of this nature throughout our history, and all of them have ended very badly.

In 1929, stock prices were at an all-time record high and it seemed like the economic good times would never end.

But then the stock market crashed and we plummeted into the Great Depression of the 1930s.

In 2000, the dotcom bubble pushed stock prices to absolutely absurd heights, but then stock prices quickly collapsed when the bubble burst and the U.S. economy fell into a very painful recession.

During the years leading up to 2008, stock prices once again rose to dizzying levels and it seemed like the party would last indefinitely.

But then the financial crisis struck, and the Great Recession of 2008 and 2009 was the most excruciating economic downturn our nation has experienced since the 1930s.

Unfortunately, we are even more primed for a stock market crash now than we were in any of the previous examples that I just shared.

So how do I know this?

Well, for one thing P/E ratios have become ridiculously inflated. The following comes from Marketwatch…

Indeed stocks are overvalued according to the popular measure of price-to-earnings (P/E) — which compares the price of one share of stock to one year of per-share earnings relative to recent history. The S&P 500 index SPX, -0.29% is trading at 18.6 times forward earnings, according to FactSet data, above the average ratio of 16.7 during the past five years and 14.9 over the past ten.
In addition, price-to-sales ratios for the S&P 500 are now at the highest level in all of U.S. history…

The above chart, from Ned Davis Research, shows that price relative to sales for the S&P 500 is at a record high, “well in excess of what they were in 2000 or 2007 at those peaks,” wrote Ned Davis in a Wednesday note to clients.

Other measures, like the median price to earnings ratio — which exclude the skewed effects of very profitable and very unprofitable companies — shows the S&P 500 overvalued by nearly 30% versus the typical valuation level seen since 1964.

In other words, in the entire history of the United States stock prices have never been more overvalued than they are at this moment.

And every other time we have seen stock price ratios get this high, an absolutely horrifying stock market crash has followed.

The optimists are insisting that things will somehow turn out differently this time.

They assure us that everything is under control and that very bright days are ahead.

You can believe them if you want, but every indicator is pointing in the opposite direction.
12 Signs That The Economy Is Seriously Slowing Dow... (show quote)


I never studied ciphering and apparently neither did you.

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Jan 15, 2020 17:35:07   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
I never studied ciphering and apparently neither did you.


>>>

Ciphering ? Ha... ok you can think That !

No matter how you guys slice it, the math never lies...

You want more bad economic data? I’ve got plenty for you...

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Jan 15, 2020 17:43:53   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Ciphering ? Ha... ok you can think That !

No matter how you guys slice it, the math never lies...

You want more bad economic data? I’ve got plenty for you...


You know the old slaying "figures don't lie, but liars figure".

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Jan 15, 2020 17:51:17   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
You know the old slaying "figures don't lie, but liars figure".


>>>

Who’s lying?

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Jan 15, 2020 17:58:11   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Who’s lying?


Not saying anyone is lying, just saying "Figures don't lie, but liars figure".

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Jan 15, 2020 17:59:36   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
Not saying anyone is lying, just saying "Figures don't lie, but liars figure".


>>>

I guess.

I’m driving around since New Year and I’ve counted more than 15 different places are already closed.
Stores and restaurants...

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Jan 15, 2020 18:04:53   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I guess.

I’m driving around since New Year and I’ve counted more than 15 different places are already closed.
Stores and restaurants...


Of course, those kinds of small business are constantly going in and out depending on management and finances.

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Jan 15, 2020 18:12:13   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
Of course, those kinds of small business are constantly going in and out depending on management and finances.


>>>

Some of these are chains that have been around since I was a kid... others lose their lease and yet others just decided to make it to the new year and then see ya !

Thousands of stores will be closing in the next 90days... watch as the Retail Apocolypse and other dominos go flop.

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Jan 15, 2020 18:17:55   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Some of these are chains that have been around since I was a kid... others lose their lease and yet others just decided to make it to the new year and then see ya !

Thousands of stores will be closing in the next 90days... watch as the Retail Apocolypse and other dominos go flop.


What is sad is all the little towns up and down the highway that the big stores have put out of business. These little town are nothing but junk shops now.

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Jan 15, 2020 18:23:20   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
What is sad is all the little towns up and down the highway that the big stores have put out of business. These little town are nothing but junk shops now.


>>>

I know, I travel often and I see it everywhere...

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Jan 15, 2020 18:35:30   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I know, I travel often and I see it everywhere...


I have ridden horseback over a lot of area in some of the western states. Every once in a while I would come across a place that was all brushed over, but one could see remnants of a once thriving little community. Mostly gone because the mine gave out or the new road came through a different route. The birth, life and death cycle is the only universal t***h.

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Jan 15, 2020 18:40:53   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
I have ridden horseback over a lot of area in some of the western states. Every once in a while I would come across a place that was all brushed over, but one could see remnants of a once thriving little community. Mostly gone because the mine gave out or the new road came through a different route. The birth, life and death cycle is the only universal t***h.


>>>

Sounds depressing really, but most of it is man made by evil greedy people.

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Jan 15, 2020 18:44:35   #
Hug
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Sounds depressing really, but most of it is man made by evil greedy people.


Don't think all people are evil or greedy. I think it is what it is. "All good things come to an end".

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Jan 15, 2020 18:49:23   #
Sicilianthing
 
Hug wrote:
Don't think all people are evil or greedy. I think it is what it is. "All good things come to an end".


>>>

The Constitution was designed to make sure good things like America don’t come to an end.

Uhhh and sorry to inform you but anyone can be evil and greedy..depends how far you push them or they spiral due to circumstances.

You ever heard of;

Bad Things happen to good people, makes good people do Bad Things?

Even who you think are Good People are nothing more than 2 legged Rats with a facade really.

Put them in a cage for survival with other 2 legged rats and watch what happens.

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