Question for all on OPP (Page 3): Bad Idea all the way around. This is really all about destroying society world wide. Remove all things that make us who we are and replacing this with...

Owl32 Loc: ARK

Bad Idea all the way around. This is really all about destroying society world wide. Remove all things that make us who we are and replacing this with nothing..no sense of fairness, no morality, no sex identification,no belonging, no family, and NO GOD!

bahmer

bestpal38 wrote:

A new way to make money....T*********r world games. Just show up, and compete as wh**ever you think you are at the time. You know the MSM will cover the heck out of it. I'm sure there are plenty of hollywood types that will help sponsor, and promote it. It's genius.

Yep they can compete against all of the Special Olympics children that should be fair.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

bestpal38 wrote:

A new way to make money....T*********r world games. Just show up, and compete as wh**ever you think you are at the time. You know the MSM will cover the heck out of it. I'm sure there are plenty of hollywood types that will help sponsor, and promote it. It's genius.

I have no doubt!

I just had a thought, what happens when their particular event makes them feel like a girl but another makes them feel like a guy!??

Carol Kelly

nwtk2007 wrote:

With the new thing in the states being guys changing to girls and then competing with girls in their sports, I am wondering it that is something the might eventually be allowed in the Olympic games?

And since some are all good with athletes protesting during the Olympics, how would they handle protestors who protest guys becoming girls and competing in women's sports??

Don’t they do total drug testing before allowing competition in the Olympics?

Carol Kelly

bahmer wrote:

Yep they can compete against all of the Special Olympics children that should be fair.

Good one, Bahmer.

debeda

nwtk2007 wrote:

With the new thing in the states being guys changing to girls and then competing with girls in their sports, I am wondering it that is something the might eventually be allowed in the Olympic games?

And since some are all good with athletes protesting during the Olympics, how would they handle protestors who protest guys becoming girls and competing in women's sports??

Well, because women can't really compete and succeed with men in physical competitions, I guess its gonna make all sports Male only again. Just pretending to include women with pretend women

bylm1-Bernie

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

I have not given this much thought but I think yes males that have become females are naturally physically stronger and have an advantage over normal females. People have rights so this is a hard subject.

I don't think this is difficult at all, Tom. I man cannot become a woman or vice versa. Every sensible person knows that. Haven't many athletes been disqualified and stripped of their titles for taking hormones. Don't so-called t***s persons take hormones? What's the difference. I sort of agree with Kevyn on this that it is a non-problem - at least it SHOULD be a non-problem except for politically correct liberals.

Kevyn

nwtk2007 wrote:

Most of those I know think it's c***ting for males... (show quote)

All you are doing is creating a hypothetical problem where none exists in an effort to shore up your anti LGBQ stance, it is not an issue and if it ever becomes one a solution will be found.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Kevyn wrote:

All you are doing is creating a hypothetical problem where none exists in an effort to shore up your anti LGBQ stance, it is not an issue and if it ever becomes one a solution will be found.

http://nypost.com/2019/03/04/t***s-athletes-are-making-a-travesty-of-womens-sports/

http://www.wired.com/story/the-glorious-victories-of-t***s-athletes-are-shaking-up-sports/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/09/27/t*********r-athletes-supreme-court-sex-e******y-column/2421776001/

Hypothetical?

American Vet

Kevyn wrote:

All you are doing is creating a hypothetical problem where none exists in an effort to shore up your anti LGBQ stance, it is not an issue and if it ever becomes one a solution will be found.

You are correct the it is a hypothetical problem.

There are 2 g****rs: male and female.

What other discussion is needed?

Kevyn

American Vet wrote:

You are correct the it is a hypothetical problem.

There are 2 g****rs: male and female.

What other discussion is needed?

Except for the people who are neither or both. They deserve empathy and inclusion and clearly have existed for all of our history.

Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including c********es, gonads, sex hormones, or g*****ls that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve g*****l ambiguity and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.
Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites or "cong*****l eunuchs". In the 19th and 20th century, some members of the medical literary community devised new nomenclature to attempt to classify the characteristics that they had observed. It was the first attempt at creating a taxonomic classification system of intersex conditions. Intersex people were categorized as either having true hermaphroditism, female pseudohermaphroditism, or male pseudohermaphroditism. These terms are no longer used: terms including the word "hermaphrodite" are considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious in reference to humans. A hermaphrodite is now defined as "an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs" In 1917, Richard Goldschmidt created the term intersexuality to refer to a variety of physical sex ambiguities. In clinical settings, the term “disorders of sex development” (DSD) has been used since 2006. This shift has been controversial since the label was introduced.
Intersex people face stigmatization and discrimination from birth, or from discovery of an intersex trait, such as from puberty. This may include infanticide, abandonment and the stigmatization of families. Globally, some intersex infants and children, such as those with ambiguous outer g*****lia, are surgically or hormonally altered to create more socially acceptable sex characteristics. However, this is considered controversial, with no firm evidence of favorable outcomes. Such treatments may involve sterilization. Adults, including elite female athletes, have also been subjects of such treatment. Increasingly these issues are considered human rights abuses, with statements from international and national human rights and ethics institutions. Intersex organizations have also issued statements about human rights violations, including the Malta declaration of the third International Intersex Forum.
In 2011, Christiane Völling became the first intersex person known to have successfully sued for damages in a case brought for non-consensual surgical intervention. In April 2015, Malta became the first country to outlaw non-consensual medical interventions to modify sex anatomy, including that of intersex people

American Vet

Kevyn wrote:

Except for the people who are neither or both. They deserve empathy and inclusion and clearly have existed for all of our history.

Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including c********es, gonads, sex hormones, or g*****ls that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve g*****l ambiguity and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.
Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites or "cong*****l eunuchs". In the 19th and 20th century, some members of the medical literary community devised new nomenclature to attempt to classify the characteristics that they had observed. It was the first attempt at creating a taxonomic classification system of intersex conditions. Intersex people were categorized as either having true hermaphroditism, female pseudohermaphroditism, or male pseudohermaphroditism. These terms are no longer used: terms including the word "hermaphrodite" are considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious in reference to humans. A hermaphrodite is now defined as "an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs" In 1917, Richard Goldschmidt created the term intersexuality to refer to a variety of physical sex ambiguities. In clinical settings, the term “disorders of sex development” (DSD) has been used since 2006. This shift has been controversial since the label was introduced.
Intersex people face stigmatization and discrimination from birth, or from discovery of an intersex trait, such as from puberty. This may include infanticide, abandonment and the stigmatization of families. Globally, some intersex infants and children, such as those with ambiguous outer g*****lia, are surgically or hormonally altered to create more socially acceptable sex characteristics. However, this is considered controversial, with no firm evidence of favorable outcomes. Such treatments may involve sterilization. Adults, including elite female athletes, have also been subjects of such treatment. Increasingly these issues are considered human rights abuses, with statements from international and national human rights and ethics institutions. Intersex organizations have also issued statements about human rights violations, including the Malta declaration of the third International Intersex Forum.
In 2011, Christiane Völling became the first intersex person known to have successfully sued for damages in a case brought for non-consensual surgical intervention. In April 2015, Malta became the first country to outlaw non-consensual medical interventions to modify sex anatomy, including that of intersex people

Except for the people who are neither or both. The... (show quote)

First Kevyn, you need to post the source of your information. What is posted above is way above your ability to compose - or probably even to understand.

EmilyD

Kevyn wrote:

Except for the people who are neither or both. They deserve empathy and inclusion and clearly have existed for all of our history.

Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including c********es, gonads, sex hormones, or g*****ls that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve g*****l ambiguity and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.
Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites or "cong*****l eunuchs". In the 19th and 20th century, some members of the medical literary community devised new nomenclature to attempt to classify the characteristics that they had observed. It was the first attempt at creating a taxonomic classification system of intersex conditions. Intersex people were categorized as either having true hermaphroditism, female pseudohermaphroditism, or male pseudohermaphroditism. These terms are no longer used: terms including the word "hermaphrodite" are considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious in reference to humans. A hermaphrodite is now defined as "an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs" In 1917, Richard Goldschmidt created the term intersexuality to refer to a variety of physical sex ambiguities. In clinical settings, the term “disorders of sex development” (DSD) has been used since 2006. This shift has been controversial since the label was introduced.
Intersex people face stigmatization and discrimination from birth, or from discovery of an intersex trait, such as from puberty. This may include infanticide, abandonment and the stigmatization of families. Globally, some intersex infants and children, such as those with ambiguous outer g*****lia, are surgically or hormonally altered to create more socially acceptable sex characteristics. However, this is considered controversial, with no firm evidence of favorable outcomes. Such treatments may involve sterilization. Adults, including elite female athletes, have also been subjects of such treatment. Increasingly these issues are considered human rights abuses, with statements from international and national human rights and ethics institutions. Intersex organizations have also issued statements about human rights violations, including the Malta declaration of the third International Intersex Forum.
In 2011, Christiane Völling became the first intersex person known to have successfully sued for damages in a case brought for non-consensual surgical intervention. In April 2015, Malta became the first country to outlaw non-consensual medical interventions to modify sex anatomy, including that of intersex people

Except for the people who are neither or both. The... (show quote)

And how many of those people are vying for a place in the Olympics? Because that's what this thread's question is about. The issue is not those unfortunate people you are talking about, but men who have decided they don't want to be a man, so they dress up as women and sometimes cut off their male organs so they can pretend they are women. And then they compete in women's sports and win because their physiques are much stronger than the natural female physiques they are competing against.

bylm1-Bernie

American Vet wrote:

First Kevyn, you need to post the source of your information. What is posted above is way above your ability to compose - or probably even to understand.

You might want to check Wikipedia under the title of "Intersex." I guess Kev forgot to include his source. Probably hit send too quickly.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Kevyn wrote:

Except for the people who are neither or both. They deserve empathy and inclusion and clearly have existed for all of our history.

Intersex people are individuals born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including c********es, gonads, sex hormones, or g*****ls that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies". Such variations may involve g*****l ambiguity and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female.
Intersex people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites or "cong*****l eunuchs". In the 19th and 20th century, some members of the medical literary community devised new nomenclature to attempt to classify the characteristics that they had observed. It was the first attempt at creating a taxonomic classification system of intersex conditions. Intersex people were categorized as either having true hermaphroditism, female pseudohermaphroditism, or male pseudohermaphroditism. These terms are no longer used: terms including the word "hermaphrodite" are considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious in reference to humans. A hermaphrodite is now defined as "an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs" In 1917, Richard Goldschmidt created the term intersexuality to refer to a variety of physical sex ambiguities. In clinical settings, the term “disorders of sex development” (DSD) has been used since 2006. This shift has been controversial since the label was introduced.
Intersex people face stigmatization and discrimination from birth, or from discovery of an intersex trait, such as from puberty. This may include infanticide, abandonment and the stigmatization of families. Globally, some intersex infants and children, such as those with ambiguous outer g*****lia, are surgically or hormonally altered to create more socially acceptable sex characteristics. However, this is considered controversial, with no firm evidence of favorable outcomes. Such treatments may involve sterilization. Adults, including elite female athletes, have also been subjects of such treatment. Increasingly these issues are considered human rights abuses, with statements from international and national human rights and ethics institutions. Intersex organizations have also issued statements about human rights violations, including the Malta declaration of the third International Intersex Forum.
In 2011, Christiane Völling became the first intersex person known to have successfully sued for damages in a case brought for non-consensual surgical intervention. In April 2015, Malta became the first country to outlaw non-consensual medical interventions to modify sex anatomy, including that of intersex people

Except for the people who are neither or both. The... (show quote)

These people you call intersex, are the result of genetic anomalies and yes, deserve good and fair treatment. However, we ain't talking about them are we?? Nope, we are referring to the g****r confused; guys claiming to be girls and girls claiming to be guys; no genetic anomalies present. Then there are the pan-g****red who are what, I don't know.