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Jan 16, 2020 18:54:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
nwtk2007, your statement is simply not true. This CIA Vault 7 program is brand new. the problem is, according to WikiLeaks own publication, that the CIA leaked its own program first, creating this international security threat. Read this article.

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nwtk2007, your statement is simply not true. This... (show quote)


I'm not sure how you are relating what I said to Vault 7. I guess I should have been more specific: any really well "armed" hacker can . . .

McAfee has spoken about this capability for years going way back. It was he who made the remark which I basically plagiarized for you here.

Thanks for the head up, however, I'll take a look at Vault 7 and Wikileaks.

Also, it was McAfee who made the first claim that the DNC had its "stuff" walked out on a hand held devicee/thumb drive. I believe Seth Rich had just passed that on to his k**lers just before his murder.

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Jan 16, 2020 19:22:46   #
Cacasdad
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Sen. Graham has got the right idea. Get it over. Who cares about the corrupt H****r or Joe? It just doen'st matter. Graham will be on "the Story" with Martha. Might be worth watching. Will 'corruption' and 'evil' win out in this impeachment sham? I doubt it. But it's hilarious to watch people like Perm, Kevy, PeterS , barracuda and their argument "FOR". It's called "high crimes and misdemeanors" and the i***ts on the Left haven't even come up with a legitimate "CRIME". Can this really be happening?
Sen. Graham has got the right idea. Get it over. ... (show quote)


You are beyond the stupid of willful ignorance! This orange blob the troglodytes that make up the base of the gop support is the most corrupt individual in politics in my 63 yrs, including me I’m not a crook Richard Nixon! This great business man filed bankruptcy on four casinos! Casinos! Nobody loses money on a casino, except the crook that stole it, legally! The great orange blob hasn’t been able to borrow money in the USA during the 21st century. The great orange blob is incapable of not, at a minimum, misrepresent wh**ever subject, if not tell and or keep telling the same lie, ie his inauguration crowd.

Any time you wanna compare American Conservative bonafides you just bring it on! However, unless you believe in my unbridled freedoms that do you no direct physical or financial harm, then you ain’t no American Conservative, and we have nothing to discuss, lefty;)lol!

FYI; It is The Living God of all Creation that bestowed upon me the gift of free will choice! I used to feel pretty special about that, until the aha moment when I realized The Living God bestowed that gift on all of mankind!

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Jan 16, 2020 19:29:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Cacasdad wrote:
You are beyond the stupid of willful ignorance! This orange blob the troglodytes that make up the base of the gop support is the most corrupt individual in politics in my 63 yrs, including me I’m not a crook Richard Nixon! This great business man filed bankruptcy on four casinos! Casinos! Nobody loses money on a casino, except the crook that stole it, legally! The great orange blob hasn’t been able to borrow money in the USA during the 21st century. The great orange blob is incapable of not, at a minimum, misrepresent wh**ever subject, if not tell and or keep telling the same lie, ie his inauguration crowd.

Any time you wanna compare American Conservative bonafides you just bring it on! However, unless you believe in my unbridled freedoms that do you no direct physical or financial harm, then you ain’t no American Conservative, and we have nothing to discuss, lefty;)lol!

FYI; It is The Living God of all Creation that bestowed upon me the gift of free will choice! I used to feel pretty special about that, until the aha moment when I realized The Living God bestowed that gift on all of mankind!
You are beyond the stupid of willful ignorance! Th... (show quote)


Being a trump h**er, are you supportive of a democrat candidate in 2020?

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Jan 16, 2020 19:54:15   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'm not sure how you are relating what I said to Vault 7. I guess I should have been more specific: any really well "armed" hacker can . . .

McAfee has spoken about this capability for years going way back. It was he who made the remark which I basically plagiarized for you here.

Thanks for the head up, however, I'll take a look at Vault 7 and Wikileaks.

Also, it was McAfee who made the first claim that the DNC had its "stuff" walked out on a hand held devicee/thumb drive. I believe Seth Rich had just passed that on to his k**lers just before his murder.
I'm not sure how you are relating what I said to V... (show quote)


Interesting. Most likely, the Clinton Crime Machine or the Deep State at the CIA took out the whistle blowers. I hope every socialist in the United States either changes its stripes or goes straight to jail. We are not a nation of Leaders and Lemmings. It is not in our national character or Constitution. The only way to truly redistribute wealth is to build it and create it and trade it amongst free people and free markets.

The Democrats, Bernie Sanders, Obama, Clinton, and Warren are so overcome with envy that they would prefer to reduce humanity to the lowest common denominator out of spite to make us all squirm and die, making us equally poor, or equally dead, instead of unequally rich. Such is the fate of humanity when mob rule (raw democracy) succumbs to human envy. This is why every pure democracy has failed in history. We are Republican by our Constitution, ruled by a representative government with minority rights.

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Jan 16, 2020 23:47:25   #
Cacasdad
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Being a trump h**er, are you supportive of a democrat candidate in 2020?


I’ve been a trump h**er since 1983.
I hadn’t v**ed for a member of The Party Of Liars C***ts and Thieves(gop) or the Party of Stupid(Dems) since 1988. Until that is 2016, at which time I did v**e for the worst democratic candidate they could have chosen, just because of the damage trump has done to the future of my 12, 9, and 7yo grandchildren!
What bugs me is I never hear from my nay sayers when my words come to fruition.
Only time will tell the damage trumps four years will have done to the USA.

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Jan 17, 2020 01:44:32   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Cacasdad wrote:
I’ve been a trump h**er since 1983.
I hadn’t v**ed for a member of The Party Of Liars C***ts and Thieves(gop) or the Party of Stupid(Dems) since 1988. Until that is 2016, at which time I did v**e for the worst democratic candidate they could have chosen, just because of the damage trump has done to the future of my 12, 9, and 7yo grandchildren!
What bugs me is I never hear from my nay sayers when my words come to fruition.
Only time will tell the damage trumps four years will have done to the USA.
I’ve been a trump h**er since 1983. br I hadn’t v*... (show quote)


You h**e President Trump? Why? Or do you dislike capitalism in general?
A rising tide floats all ships. Within the past 3 years, Trump has created more good paying jobs for the poor, minorities and women and small businessmen in the United States, than any previous administration, on record. He has also created an $11 TRILLION dollar increase to our GDP to pay down our national debt and fund our 401K retirement pensions in the stock market.

Do you h**e that too? Of course, if you live on the West Coast, life is tough under Democrat control, the most business unfriendly states. They would rather ban plastic shopping bags than allow a new recycling company to save the environment. So, everybody has switched to paper bags. Wh**ever happened to "save a tree"? The Leftwing Democrats are nuts.

Which would you prefer, the socialist making everybody equally poor, or the capitalists making everybody unequally rich?

How deep is your envy of other people's success and happiness? We do not live on a One-Sum Pie Planet.

The wealth of the world lay beneath our feet for the past 2 million years but we have not had the freedom to access it due to the ego-maniac control freaks of dictators, monarchs, despots, socialists and c*******t and f*****ts, all "centralized planners" who k**l anyone who contradicts them.

Anybody who thinks the government is going to redistribute the wealth, when the government is like Garfield the Cat, growing in its own weight and girth, is deluding himself.

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Jan 17, 2020 01:54:25   #
Tug484
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
You h**e President Trump? Why? Or do you dislike capitalism in general?
A rising tide floats all ships. Within the past 3 years, Trump has created more good paying jobs for the poor, minorities and women and small businessmen in the United States, than any previous administration, on record. He has also created an $11 TRILLION dollar increase to our GDP to pay down our national debt and fund our 401K retirement pensions in the stock market.

Do you h**e that too? Of course, if you live on the West Coast, life is tough under Democrat control.

Which would you prefer, the socialist making everybody equally poor, or the capitalists making everybody unequally rich?

How deep is your envy of other people's success and happiness? We do not live on a One-Sum Pie Planet.

The wealth of the world lay beneath our feet for the past 2 million years but we have not had the freedom to access it due to the ego-maniac control freaks of dictators, monarchs, despots, socialists and c*******t and f*****ts, all "centralized planners" who k**l anyone who contradicts them.

Anybody who thinks the government is going to redistribute the wealth, when the government is like Garfield the Cat, growing in its own weight and girth, is deluding himself.
You h**e President Trump? Why? Or do you dislike c... (show quote)



Excellent response .

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Jan 17, 2020 02:14:12   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Tug484 wrote:
Excellent response .


Thanks, Tug, let's see if Cacasdad responds. I'm not sure what age he is, even though he professes to have three young children raised during the 2008 housing market collapse; but I am retired, and often reflect upon how my parents experienced the Great Depression.

Most of the people who championed Roosevelt's New Deal and his 1933 Glass-Stegall Act and 1935 Banking Act creating the FDIC never knew that Black Friday was triggered by a government raid upon its own bank, Fort Knox. The opportunity for Big Government to seize power over the economy was ripe for the picking.

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Jan 17, 2020 02:32:47   #
Tug484
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Thanks, Tug, let's see if Cacasdad responds. I'm not sure what age he is, even though he professes to have three young children raised during the 2008 housing market collapse; but I am retired, and often reflect upon how my parents experienced the Great Depression.

Most of the people who championed Roosevelt's New Deal and his 1933 Glass-Stegall Act and 1935 Banking Act creating the FDIC never knew that Black Friday was triggered by a government raid upon its own bank, Fort Knox. The opportunity for Big Government to seize power over the economy was ripe for the picking.
Thanks, Tug, let's see if Cacasdad responds. I'm n... (show quote)


I agree.
My parents lived through the depression and I never heard them say much.
My dad a bought a new Model T during the war and it arrived in a wooden crate.
It had no tires.
He had to wait until the war was over to buy tires and drive it.
My aunt had a phobia caused by the depression.
She made sure she always had an abundance of flour and sugar.

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Jan 17, 2020 03:14:08   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It is the opinion of the republican party that the president neither obstructed Congress nor abused his power. Later!

The latest GOA report says the president broke the law by withholding aid. But I know, you guys think breaking the law and impeachment have no relationship...

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Jan 17, 2020 03:43:23   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
The latest GOA report says the president broke the law by withholding aid. But I know, you guys think breaking the law and impeachment have no relationship...
In the Yale Journal of International Law, Jeffrey A. Meyer writes:

As the United States in the 1980s seeks to reassert its influence abroad, foreign assistance is playing an increasingly important role in American foreign policy. No longer primarily a subsidy for friendly foreign governments, foreign assistance has become a versatile instrument of intervention without the use of force. For example, the United States has used foreign aid to destabilize unfriendly regimes in Nicaragua, Afghanistan, and Angola; to quell international terrorism; and to secure the release of American hostages in the Middle East. Foreign aid serves an equally great symbolic role, as a barometer of American moral approval or disapproval of the outside world. Therefore, though the actual volume of foreign assistance channeled abroad may be small and sometimes of little impact, American foreign assistance policy functions as a broad index of U.S. foreign policy concerns. The annual foreign assistance budgeting process has become no less than a surrogate for a systematic reexamination of the progress, problems, and propriety of America’s foreign policy.

Although published 30 years ago thus somewhat dated, this extract is spot on. Some of the issues the United States uses foreign aid to address are, Female G*****l M********n, A******n & Human Trafficking, to name but a few. In the case of Ukraine, if indeed President Trump had tied U.S. Aid to the conversation, it would have been in support of U.S. policy concerning corruption. This policy is in fact codified in a treaty between the United States and Ukraine, signed by no less than President Bill Clinton.

Let’s contrast this with Vice President Biden, who did indeed threaten Ukraine with the withholding of U.S. aid if they didn’t fire their senior prosecutor, which they did. The difference there, was that Biden did this to preclude a corruption investigation on his son. Interestingly enough, that would not only be a violation of U.S. law, but a violation of the U.S.-Ukraine Treaty criminal investigation treaty.

In short, we have then Vice President Biden, corruptly using his office to preclude a criminal corruption investigation of his son. On the other hand, we have a sitting President, who in accordance with his Article II powers, U.S. Statute and Treaty obligations, asked his counterpart, President Zelensky to look into a case of possible corruption and interference in the 2016 U.S. e******n. The first was the odds on favorite to be the Democrat nominee for President. The second is the subject of yet another Democrat witch hunt, this one masquerading as an “Impeachment Inquiry” for for an action that he didn’t take, but even if he did, would be absolutely in line with U.S. Law and Foreign Policy.

The Democrats have gotten out way over their skis on this one. Not only is this going to prove a nothingburger as far as President Trump goes, but it will likely lead to Biden dropping out of the race.

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Jan 17, 2020 04:57:18   #
Tug484
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
In the Yale Journal of International Law, Jeffrey A. Meyer writes:

As the United States in the 1980s seeks to reassert its influence abroad, foreign assistance is playing an increasingly important role in American foreign policy. No longer primarily a subsidy for friendly foreign governments, foreign assistance has become a versatile instrument of intervention without the use of force. For example, the United States has used foreign aid to destabilize unfriendly regimes in Nicaragua, Afghanistan, and Angola; to quell international terrorism; and to secure the release of American hostages in the Middle East. Foreign aid serves an equally great symbolic role, as a barometer of American moral approval or disapproval of the outside world. Therefore, though the actual volume of foreign assistance channeled abroad may be small and sometimes of little impact, American foreign assistance policy functions as a broad index of U.S. foreign policy concerns. The annual foreign assistance budgeting process has become no less than a surrogate for a systematic reexamination of the progress, problems, and propriety of America’s foreign policy.

Although published 30 years ago thus somewhat dated, this extract is spot on. Some of the issues the United States uses foreign aid to address are, Female G*****l M********n, A******n & Human Trafficking, to name but a few. In the case of Ukraine, if indeed President Trump had tied U.S. Aid to the conversation, it would have been in support of U.S. policy concerning corruption. This policy is in fact codified in a treaty between the United States and Ukraine, signed by no less than President Bill Clinton.

Let’s contrast this with Vice President Biden, who did indeed threaten Ukraine with the withholding of U.S. aid if they didn’t fire their senior prosecutor, which they did. The difference there, was that Biden did this to preclude a corruption investigation on his son. Interestingly enough, that would not only be a violation of U.S. law, but a violation of the U.S.-Ukraine Treaty criminal investigation treaty.

In short, we have then Vice President Biden, corruptly using his office to preclude a criminal corruption investigation of his son. On the other hand, we have a sitting President, who in accordance with his Article II powers, U.S. Statute and Treaty obligations, asked his counterpart, President Zelensky to look into a case of possible corruption and interference in the 2016 U.S. e******n. The first was the odds on favorite to be the Democrat nominee for President. The second is the subject of yet another Democrat witch hunt, this one masquerading as an “Impeachment Inquiry” for for an action that he didn’t take, but even if he did, would be absolutely in line with U.S. Law and Foreign Policy.

The Democrats have gotten out way over their skis on this one. Not only is this going to prove a nothingburger as far as President Trump goes, but it will likely lead to Biden dropping out of the race.
In the Yale Journal of International Law, Jeffrey ... (show quote)



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Jan 17, 2020 05:04:14   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Cacasdad wrote:
I’ve been a trump h**er since 1983.
I hadn’t v**ed for a member of The Party Of Liars C***ts and Thieves(gop) or the Party of Stupid(Dems) since 1988. Until that is 2016, at which time I did v**e for the worst democratic candidate they could have chosen, just because of the damage trump has done to the future of my 12, 9, and 7yo grandchildren!
What bugs me is I never hear from my nay sayers when my words come to fruition.
Only time will tell the damage trumps four years will have done to the USA.
I’ve been a trump h**er since 1983. br I hadn’t v*... (show quote)


Eight years... KAG ...

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Jan 17, 2020 05:49:07   #
Tug484
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Eight years... KAG ...


There are five or six rinos that want to hear witnesses.

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Jan 17, 2020 06:26:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Tug484 wrote:
There are five or six rinos that want to hear witnesses.


Let them....

I agree...

Witnesses should be heard...

Then the trial can be concluded...

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