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Jan 13, 2020 19:44:50   #
jeff smith
 
straightUp wrote:
Apparently, we don't need a declaration of war to sink billions of tax dollars into fighting Iran.


Advice ? seems to me he has done the entire world a favor . terminated a head terrorist . which the only way to stop such a person , is to terminate the person .

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Jan 13, 2020 19:49:14   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
jeff smith wrote:
so if I got that right ? we let our oil companies go to Saudi Arabia , to drill oil "for them " and we secure their country from wh**ever . yet they sell us they oil that our co.s drill so they can rob is of wh**ever price amount they want to put on a barrel of oil . what a sweetheart deal for THEM .


We currently don't get a lot of oil from the Persian Gulf. We are over there more to keep international commerce going for the countries most dependent on imported oil. Any break in the supply could cripple the economy of many countries, especially Asian countries.

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Jan 13, 2020 19:51:06   #
jeff smith
 
straightUp wrote:
Apparently, we don't need a declaration of war to sink billions of tax dollars into fighting Iran.


sovereign nation a commanding officer ? maybe so ! yet he is the person to BLAME for hundreds of American military death and or dismemberment . for k*****g his own people when they protested , for who knows how many which were k**led and injured from his orders . I personally do not care if there weren't any eminent dangers in the near or far future . this is a person that needed to be STOPPED .

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Jan 13, 2020 19:55:37   #
jeff smith
 
straightUp wrote:
Apparently, we don't need a declaration of war to sink billions of tax dollars into fighting Iran.


others will always step up . ///// we have always used money to try and stop terror all across the globe . what makes k*****g this guy any different ? should we drop leaflets to tell every one to leave the area and level the entire country ? might get rid of a whole lot of terrorist all across the world . they wont have any one paying their bills any longer .

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Jan 14, 2020 12:31:22   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
jeff smith wrote:
so if I got that right ? we let our oil companies go to Saudi Arabia , to drill oil "for them " and we secure their country from wh**ever . yet they sell us they oil that our co.s drill so they can rob is of wh**ever price amount they want to put on a barrel of oil . what a sweetheart deal for THEM .


Exactly

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Jan 14, 2020 12:36:05   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
dtucker300 wrote:
We currently don't get a lot of oil from the Persian Gulf. We are over there more to keep international commerce going for the countries most dependent on imported oil. Any break in the supply could cripple the economy of many countries, especially Asian countries.


Thus we insure access to oil for the multinational oil industry.
How generous. Of the American taxpayers who end up paying for the military expenses including the risk for our soldiers. But hey, we also bolster the income of our military industrial complex.
How wonderful.

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Jan 14, 2020 14:53:17   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Thus we insure access to oil for the multinational oil industry.
How generous. Of the American taxpayers who end up paying for the military expenses including the risk for our soldiers. But hey, we also bolster the income of our military industrial complex.
How wonderful.


We are digging ourselves ever deeper in debt and losing young men and women. So yes, it is time other countries pay their share. We can't and shouldn't be the world's police. But since the UN is worthless, someone has to step up and do something. Better us than China or Russia. So many problems.

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Jan 14, 2020 19:17:17   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
dtucker300 wrote:
We are digging ourselves ever deeper in debt and losing young men and women. So yes, it is time other countries pay their share. We can't and shouldn't be the world's police. But since the UN is worthless, someone has to step up and do something. Better us than China or Russia. So many problems.


This isn’t a matter of being the world police. This is a matter of big oil owning our politicians.

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Jan 14, 2020 20:22:31   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
This isn’t a matter of being the world police. This is a matter of big oil owning our politicians.


It is both.

So either we are so dumb because we v**e for them, or we don't v**e for them and that puts them in office. Or, either we are too lazy to run for office, or monitor to keep them in line and in check.

People get the kind of government they deserve!

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Jan 15, 2020 02:21:28   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
dtucker300 wrote:
It is both.

So either we are so dumb because we v**e for them, or we don't v**e for them and that puts them in office. Or, either we are too lazy to run for office, or monitor to keep them in line and in check.

People get the kind of government they deserve!


Too many people rely on predigested news and “information “.

Were you aware that both the House and the Senate allow “voice v**es”. These v**es don’t record who v**ed for or against the measure. It can be tricky to get a handle on the v****g patterns of your representatives.

It’s important to v**e. I follow a simple rule. If you don’t v**e, don’t complain.

Running for office beyond a local area requires a whole lot of cash.

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Jan 15, 2020 02:57:06   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Too many people rely on predigested news and “information “.

Were you aware that both the House and the Senate allow “voice v**es”. These v**es don’t record who v**ed for or against the measure. It can be tricky to get a handle on the v****g patterns of your representatives.

It’s important to v**e. I follow a simple rule. If you don’t v**e, don’t complain.

Running for office beyond a local area requires a whole lot of cash.


Yes, the impeachment v**e in the House was a voice v**e. Then someone made a motion for a roll-call v**e so that there would be a record.

I think one progressive change that was wrong was the repeal of the 17th Amendment and provided for the popular e******n of U.S. Senators. States have become more subservient to the federal bureaucracy when the state legislatures no longer selected their own Senators to represent their state.

Our local and state governments have a much larger impact on our daily lives. But they soon will not and will be overshadowed completely by the federal government if it keeps expanding at the rate it has since the progressive movement came about. The Tenth Amendment is an empty meaningless shell of its original intent. This used to help keep the federal government in check from usurping power it was not supposed to have under the Constitution.

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Jan 17, 2020 08:58:56   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
dtucker300 wrote:
We are digging ourselves ever deeper in debt and losing young men and women.

Yes! I completely agree!

dtucker300 wrote:

So yes, it is time other countries pay their share. We can't and shouldn't be the world's police. But since the UN is worthless, someone has to step up and do something. Better us than China or Russia. So many problems.

The problem I see with this dtucker is that what we are calling a "fair share" is far beyond what is necessary for defense. Our allies in Europe have a hell of a lot more experience with war than we do. They know how to defend themselves and they spend what they need to spend for that purpose. They would like to spend the rest on improving the lives of their own people.

The "fair share" that Trump keeps pushing for is all about sales. The U.S. is a leading manufacture of weapons, munitions and related "war products". That industry has a LOT of pull in Washington. For many years, U.S. Presidents have been faced with allies that KNOW this and therefore refuse to buy more than what they need. But Trump is different because he's that persistent salesman who doesn't take "no" for answer. He wants to show our military-industrial complex how HE can increase their sales better than any previous president and this European obsession with "improving the lives of the people" is just an annoyance to him.

We'll have to see how it goes.

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Jan 17, 2020 09:07:21   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Saspatz007 wrote:
Too many people rely on predigested news and “information “.

Were you aware that both the House and the Senate allow “voice v**es”. These v**es don’t record who v**ed for or against the measure. It can be tricky to get a handle on the v****g patterns of your representatives.

It’s important to v**e. I follow a simple rule. If you don’t v**e, don’t complain.


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Jan 17, 2020 09:53:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
jeff smith wrote:
Advice ? seems to me he has done the entire world a favor . terminated a head terrorist . which the only way to stop such a person , is to terminate the person .

I agree that termination is often the only way to stop a terrorist. But you can't just call anyone you k**l a terrorist.

jeff smith wrote:
sovereign nation a commanding officer ? maybe so ! yet he is the person to BLAME for hundreds of American military death and or dismemberment . for k*****g his own people when they protested , for who knows how many which were k**led and injured from his orders . I personally do not care if there weren't any eminent dangers in the near or far future . this is a person that needed to be STOPPED .

You seem confused. First, Soleimani had nothing to do with domestic affairs such as handling the protesters. (Iran DOES have more than one military leader). Secondly, those dismemberments we're all committed by Sunni-based terrorists organizations, such as ISIS which Soleimani was fighting. Finally, attacking military targets (which what Soleimani did) is not terrorism. It's warfare. Terrorism is when you attack civilian populations and there are no American civilian populations in Iraq or Syria.

I'm betting you didn't even know who Soleimani was until he was reported to be k**led by a drone attack under Trump's orders and now your just tossing out every accusation that seems remotely applicable in order to support Trump's i***t decision.

jeff smith wrote:
others will always step up . ///// we have always used money to try and stop terror all across the globe. what makes k*****g this guy any different ?

Haven't I already explained this? He was a top-ranking general in a sovereign nation trying to save millions of innocent people from a genocide in Syria and Yemen that we apparently don't care about. Is he responsible for the death of Americans in the region? Probably, since US forces are often put in harm's way to impede all Iranian efforts in the region.

I will always sympathize with the U.S. troops because they are my countrymen and I know most of them have no idea what they are being used for but I completely disagree with our political opposition to Iran. There is no good reason for it. They have NEVER been a threat to our nation.

Do you know why we are "enemies" with Iran? Because we want access to their oil and they won't give it to us. But their mortal enemy, Saudi Arabia decided to give us access to their oil if we protect their interests from Iran, even if that means interfering with Iran's efforts to save all those innocent people from the head-decapitating monsters supported by Saudi Arabia.

I think it's utterly ridiculous how you folks continue with this "Trump is fighting terrorists" BS. What terrorists attacked us on 9/11/2001? Were ANY of them Iranian? No. They were Saudis. What is Trump doing with Saudi Arabia? Oh, yeah... he's helping them. He's helping the same people who attacked us on our own soil while k*****g the generals that are actually fighting them.

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Jan 18, 2020 21:43:02   #
Saspatz007 Loc: The goat sheds
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I think one progressive change that was wrong was the repeal of the 17th Amendment and provided for the popular e******n of U.S. Senators. States have become more subservient to the federal bureaucracy when the state legislatures no longer selected their own Senators to represent their state.
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You’re mistaken. The 17th amendment is still in effect. Some conservative groups want to repeal it.

https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/some-conservatives-want-repeal-the-17th-amendment-heres-why-theyre

This amendment has been in place since 1913.

https://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/17th-amendment

As for the 10th amendment.

http://m.government-and-constitution.org/bill-of-rights/10th-amendment.htm

I think you’ll find this interesting. Specifically scroll down to the last paragraph before the header “The meaning of the words in the 10th amendment.”

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