My God, it seems the Baptists are catching on!
Dec 23, 2019 13:56:05 #
kemmer wrote:
Why don't you look up the word 'apostacy' before you start tossing it around like you know what it means? 
He knows what it means. You don’t. You can rant and rave all you want. It will never change God’s word or Christianity. Christianity will never be defeated nor will it be changed.
Dec 23, 2019 13:57:45 #
Dec 23, 2019 16:47:19 #
Dec 23, 2019 16:47:19 #
PeterS wrote:
Good advice I'm willing to bet the rest of you cons aren't willing to follow...
But Pete, TRUMPS the "Chosen ONE" ! Says the WORLD Religion Pseudo Christians of today(Evangelicals)Right Wing Republicans, wh**ever their GOD of this world (SATAN) calls them ?
Dec 23, 2019 17:15:07 #
Dec 23, 2019 17:16:35 #
Rose42 wrote:
He knows what it means. You don’t. You can rant and rave all you want. It will never change God’s word or Christianity. Christianity will never be defeated nor will it be changed.
Dec 23, 2019 17:21:59 #
billman6
Loc: Top of Texas
kemmer wrote:
Why don't you look up the word 'apostacy' before you start tossing it around like you know what it means?
He's saying you have no common sense and you just proved it.
Dec 23, 2019 17:22:11 #
PeterS wrote:
Good advice I'm willing to bet the rest of you cons aren't willing to follow...
Some so-called churches are run by Lucifer! Sadly we can not easily tell them from the ones run by Jesus.
Dec 23, 2019 17:42:57 #
kemmer wrote:
Why don't you look up the word 'apostacy' before you start tossing it around like you know what it means?
I know EXACTLY what it means and I used that word in its proper context you a$$.
Dec 23, 2019 17:44:52 #
BigBadBob wrote:
It looks like the peter has found another loony church besides the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas.
Welcome back Boob.
Dec 23, 2019 18:05:41 #
Auntie Dee wrote:
Once upon a time in my youth I was a Baptist, because my mother insisted upon it!
If I were a member of this church...I would never attend again! When religious organizations enter into the political fray, they should lose their non-tax privilege!
If I were a member of this church...I would never attend again! When religious organizations enter into the political fray, they should lose their non-tax privilege!
Franklin Graham, please copy.
Dec 23, 2019 20:10:36 #
Dec 23, 2019 21:51:19 #
Dec 23, 2019 22:59:58 #
Fact: "Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt.”
501c3 Church Facts
Lyndon B. Johnson/LBJ's influence: "Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations."
This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."
Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.
For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. a******n, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren't taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:
Ignorance ("We didn't know any better")
Bandwagon logic ("Everyone else is doing it")
Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)
Does the law require, or even encourage, a church to organize as a 501c3? To answer that question let's turn to what the IRS itself has to say.
"Churches Need Not Apply."
In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:
Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:
"Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3)."
Again, "Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt.”
501c3 Church Facts
Lyndon B. Johnson/LBJ's influence: "Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations."
This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."
Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.
For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. a******n, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.
Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren't taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:
Ignorance ("We didn't know any better")
Bandwagon logic ("Everyone else is doing it")
Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)
Does the law require, or even encourage, a church to organize as a 501c3? To answer that question let's turn to what the IRS itself has to say.
"Churches Need Not Apply."
In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:
Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:
"Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3)."
Again, "Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Exempt.”
Mike Easterday wrote:
Churches are not supposed to be political. They should lose their tax exempt status.
Dec 24, 2019 01:04:25 #
Rose42 wrote:
He knows what it means. (Apostasy) You don’t.
Hmm... I see you don't know what it means either.
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