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Dec 9, 2019 18:41:20   #
1ProudAmerican
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Fact is, blow jobs are fairly popular, the democrats are not.


As I recall, Clinton used OUR White House to get some.....

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Dec 9, 2019 18:41:54   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
I have to say this is one of the most pointless posts OPP has ever come up with..

What blog is it from???

Did something approach these remarks when the blow job was the origin of the impeachment process?


In Your Humble Opinion

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Dec 9, 2019 18:42:25   #
Hug
 
Airforceone wrote:
The democrats are not the problem with impeachment it’s the actions of our president and him defying subpoenas why is he obstructing this investigation and refusing to allow his administration officials from testify that alone is an admission of guilt.


Thank you Airforceone for not resorting to profane language. It makes your comment much stronger and shows much more character.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:42:54   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Actually, you could say Trump might have broken the law. Trump started this by pointing out that the dem's, including Biden, might have broken the law. Is it not the responsibility of Congress and the President to address that issue????????????

Two faced democrats!!


And yet it is some of his administration officials who are going to jail. The right keeps saying Biden or his son have broken the law, or that Mrs. Clinton has broken the law, or the FBI has broken the law. It's all wishful conspiracy thinking. If the right had proof, the trials would take place and you could lock them up.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:44:05   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Weasel wrote:
How will Democrats remove their foot from their mouth in time for the 2028 E******n?
MAGA, KAG TRUMP 2020


The won't. They may go the same way as the WHIGS unless to disavow the far-l*****ts who have hijacked the party.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:45:47   #
PeterS
 
dtucker300 wrote:
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.

One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.

She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.

Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.

For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.

Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.

Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.

The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.

T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.

With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.

The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.

History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.

Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.

In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.

That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.

Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.

So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.

In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.

When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.

So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.

Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.

We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precede... (show quote)

This coming from the party who once impeached a president because he lied about getting a blowjob. At least in Trump's case, blackmail is listed as an honest to goodness cause for impeachment!

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Dec 9, 2019 18:46:17   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
working class stiff wrote:
And yet it is some of his administration officials who are going to jail. The right keeps saying Biden or his son have broken the law, or that Mrs. Clinton has broken the law, or the FBI has broken the law. It's all wishful conspiracy thinking. If the right had proof, the trials would take place and you could lock them up.


Durham investigation. And, the rebukes by Durham and Barr to Horowitz. The Durham investigations continue as do Barr's.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:47:01   #
1ProudAmerican
 
working class stiff wrote:
What is 'do not think trump has done anything wrong' , Alex.

The problem, according to Trump supporters, is that Democrats are not shining his shoes and saying 'sir, yes sir' to his royal highness's every whim. I'm pretty sure that he and his supporters would have no problem 'disappearing' those who oppose him if they could.


He's doing pretty GREAT things without the "Democrats (are not) shining his shoes and saying 'sir, yes sir' to his royal highness's every whim."
"I'm pretty sure that he and his supporters would have no problem 'disappearing' those who oppose him if they could." You mean like the cut throat Clintons do?!?!?

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Dec 9, 2019 18:48:41   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The won't. They may go the same way as the WHIGS unless to disavow the far-l*****ts who have hijacked the party.


That's pretty laughable.

Why do you have a designation like RINO? Anyone who is not kowtowing the Trump line is a far l*****t. Democrats aren't going anywhere, other than the White House.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:50:43   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
working class stiff wrote:
And yet it is some of his administration officials who are going to jail. The right keeps saying Biden or his son have broken the law, or that Mrs. Clinton has broken the law, or the FBI has broken the law. It's all wishful conspiracy thinking. If the right had proof, the trials would take place and you could lock them up.


The Democrats had 8 years of protection under Obama. They thought they would have 8 more under Hillary. Surprise, surprise! Hillary lost and the Dems can't accept the will of 63 million v**ers. Thus their frontal assault against Trump. The left does this all the time. Keep your opponent off balance and control the narrative. But sooner or later the t***h is revealed, and the real t***h is finally beginning to be exposed. People are beginning to realize just how corrupt the Democrats have been and continue to be. Even the BLEXIT movement is gaining strength as many Black least the r****t and d******e plantation of the Democratic Party.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:54:02   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
He's doing pretty GREAT things without the "Democrats (are not) shining his shoes and saying 'sir, yes sir' to his royal highness's every whim."
"I'm pretty sure that he and his supporters would have no problem 'disappearing' those who oppose him if they could." You mean like the cut throat Clintons do?!?!?


Here we go again. The Clinton body count, right? One would think the great and powerful Oz, I mean Trump, would have found the evidence for such heinous crimes. Wasn't 'lock her up' one of his campaign planks? If he can't corral such mass murderers as the Clintons, then perhaps he is not as great as he thinks.

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Dec 9, 2019 18:54:09   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
working class stiff wrote:
That's pretty laughable.

Why do you have a designation like RINO? Anyone who is not kowtowing the Trump line is a far l*****t. Democrats aren't going anywhere, other than the White House.

I don't have the designation RINO because I'm not a republican. Three years ago the choice was between Trump or Hillary. In other words, there was no choice.

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Dec 9, 2019 19:04:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Weasel wrote:
You need to take a serious look at Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution.
Seriously .



I have to think you are interested in the short mention about impeachment, as that is the subject of this thread..

It says little but you may want to inform me about how you see it..

Ok, he can require opinion in writing etc of officers in the executive branch about all sorts of things..
"and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Case of Impeachment"

So what is your point? trump has tried to force Ukraine to help him in his e******n for 2020.

what does the article 2, section 2 have to do with that?

I am missing your point...



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Dec 9, 2019 19:05:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Airforceone wrote:
The democrats are not the problem with impeachment it’s the actions of our president and him defying subpoenas why is he obstructing this investigation and refusing to allow his administration officials from testify that alone is an admission of guilt.


There's a big fallacy; refusal to testify is an admission of guilt. Nothing says you have to cooperate with the opposition for a fishing expedition. When the trial comes you will get an earful. A person is innocent until proven guilty and the burden of proof, in this case, is with the Democrats. Everyone has a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. That is hardly an admission of guilt. I expected better thinking from you AF1. Only an i***t would talk to the police without counsel, even if they are innocent because they can and WILL use anything you say against you to charge you for an unrelated crime.

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Dec 9, 2019 19:05:50   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The Democrats had 8 years of protection under Obama. They thought they would have 8 more under Hillary. Surprise, surprise! Hillary lost and the Dems can't accept the will of 63 million v**ers. Thus their frontal assault against Trump. The left does this all the time. Keep your opponent off balance and control the narrative. But sooner or later the t***h is revealed, and the real t***h is finally beginning to be exposed. People are beginning to realize just how corrupt the Democrats have been and continue to be. Even the BLEXIT movement is gaining strength as many Black least the r****t and d******e plantation of the Democratic Party.
The Democrats had 8 years of protection under Obam... (show quote)


Why would you think the Dems would accept the will of 63m v**ers? They had 66m v**ers. That is at the heart of Trump's problems. He is trying to govern as though he has a mandate when in reality, most v**ers do not support him. He has always viewed those v**ers as an enemy, and, surprise, that's how they view him.

Blexit and Jexit are wishful thinking. Trump will get the same 10% of black v**ers Republicans always get.

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