This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.
One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.
She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.
Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.
For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.
Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.
Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.
The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.
T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.
With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.
The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.
History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.
Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.
In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.
That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.
Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.
So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.
In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.
When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.
So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.
Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.
We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
dtucker300 wrote:
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.
One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.
She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.
Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.
For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.
Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.
Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.
The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.
T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.
With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.
The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.
History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.
Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.
In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.
That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.
Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.
So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.
In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.
When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.
So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.
Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.
We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
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It has always been about the Democrats' h**e of Trump.
dtucker300 wrote:
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.
One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.
She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.
Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.
For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.
Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.
Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.
The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.
T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.
With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.
The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.
History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.
Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.
In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.
That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.
Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.
So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.
In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.
When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.
So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.
Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.
We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
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Impeachment by TDS!
I hope Nadler keeps having hearings - it makes the Dems look more and more desperate and lets Americans see exactly how they are trying to control the e******n process to suit their own agenda. Remember Al Green said a few months ago that "if we don't impeach Trump, he will win the e******n in 2020". Problem is, even if they DO impeach Trump, he will still win the e******n in 2020. Americans are s**k of watching lie after lie, and an impeachment based on politics, opinion and conjecture only, with no facts whatsoever!
dtucker300 wrote:
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.
One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.
She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.
Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.
For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.
Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.
Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.
The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.
T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.
With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.
The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.
History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.
Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.
In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.
That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.
Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.
So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.
In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.
When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.
So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.
Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.
We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
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The democrats are not the problem with impeachment it’s the actions of our president and him defying subpoenas why is he obstructing this investigation and refusing to allow his administration officials from testify that alone is an admission of guilt.
dtucker300 wrote:
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.
One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.
She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.
Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.
For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.
Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.
Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.
The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.
T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.
With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.
The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.
History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.
Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.
In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.
That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.
Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.
So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.
In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.
When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.
So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.
Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.
We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
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I have to say this is one of the most pointless posts OPP has ever come up with..
What blog is it from???
Did something approach these remarks when the blow job was the origin of the impeachment process?
Weasel
Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
permafrost wrote:
I have to say this is one of the most pointless posts OPP has ever come up with..
What blog is it from???
Did something approach these remarks when the blow job was the origin of the impeachment process?
How will Democrats remove their foot from their mouth in time for the 2028 E******n?
MAGA, KAG TRUMP 2020
Weasel wrote:
How will Democrats remove their foot from their mouth in time for the 2028 E******n?
MAGA, KAG TRUMP 2020
What is it you think Dems have or have not done?? The president breaks the law, as is clear in the constitution, it is the responsibility of congress to address that issue. They must do so, not consider the future e******n process. they must do that job..
Or is is that you do not think trump has done anything wrong?
Attempting to leverage help in his e******n from an other nation is OK with you??
Weasel
Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
permafrost wrote:
What is it you think Dems have or have not done?? The president breaks the law, as is clear in the constitution, it is the responsibility of congress to address that issue. They must do so, not consider the future e******n process. they must do that job..
Or is is that you do not think trump has done anything wrong?
Attempting to leverage help in his e******n from an other nation is OK with you??
You need to take a serious look at Article 2 Section 2 of the Constitution.
Seriously
.
dtucker300 wrote:
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precedent
Posted Monday, December 9, 2019 | By Robert B. Charles | 28 Comments
ImpeachmentHistory teaches caution, especially on impeachment. Impeachment is sliding sideways on House Democrats, and nerves are now fraying. Impeachment is never a happy event, and this one is particularly discomfiting. Increasingly, it appears highly personal – a dangerous precedent.
One recent headline read: “Nancy Pelosi Lashes Out at Reporter Who Asks if She H**es Trump.” As poll numbers invert, more disfavoring impeachment than favoring, the bedeviled House Speaker seems to be in trouble. Emotions are rubbing raw.
She has walked her party down this plank and must either jump or turn around. The plank is narrow, time is short – and she appears to have miscalculated. The chief problem is that many Americans, including dozens of Democratic House members, have reservations about the wisdom of her course.
Some believe an “impartial” inquiry might have been worthwhile but feel burned. The Speaker and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff did not conduct a “fair and impartial” inquiry. They led a political hit on a sitting president. Personal venality overtook any pretense to objectivity.
For many Democrats, that conclusory process is now difficult to defend. It will only get harder. The process – from Intelligence to Judiciary – has proved a bungled, muddled mess. It is now their mess.
Specifically, they know – since most are lawyers – that this process did not conform to established standards of due process. Most Americans saw the process as unfair. That is true even for those who do not like the president.
Worse for Democrats, many Americans see the president as a victim. The more Congress reiterates longstanding prejudices, mentions the fruitless Mueller probe, props up weak witnesses, recycles old press releases, and tries to silence calls for fairness, the more Americans doubt their motivation.
The more witnesses are suppressed, questions about whistleblower complicity ignored, civil rights violated by subpoenas and release of private calls – the more Americans wonder.
T***h is that Speaker Pelosi – and the Democratic House – are at plank’s end. In a time of traditional Christmas joy, Democrats are pitching disunity, disdain and political condemnation. They are dividing us, as Trump stays positive.
With the US economy soaring, objective indicators of our future bright, Democrats are peddling negativity. Among Democrats – especially the 43 who took Republican seats in 2016, 31 in districts won by Trump, 13 by more than six points – nervousness is high. They have real misgivings.
The state of Democratic unity is not good. Impeachment was a big gamble, an unorthodox way of reversing an e******n. Now, the dice are showing weak numbers.
History is against the Democrats – and many know it. Never in American history has an impeachment been executed on a purely partisan basis. Never has one been pursued trampling due process, ignoring minority rights, precedents and procedures. Never has one been undertaken to reverse the e*******l college or without a sound legal basis.
Never has a party tried to disenfranchise the American People, with a year to e******ns. Never has a party misused this Constitutional provision so clearly. Never has the judicial branch been so swiftly sidelined – subpoena cases preempted by impeachment. Never has there been such a rush to judgment, driven by raw politics.
In short, this impeachment is a bust. It may still happen. The process is down the plank. The US House has 233 Democrats, 197 Republicans, one Independent, and four vacancies. Pelosi must get 216 Democrats. If she loses 17 – she is in trouble.
That is why Americans should ask: What is behind all this? That is why one reporter asked, does she h**e Trump. The question was reasonable; the response was disproportionate. Pelosi went haywire, attacking the reporter, just as Joe Biden attacked an Iowa questioner last week.
Pelosi’s hostility toward the reporter was revealing. She lost her cool. She asserted her faith as proof of no personal antipathy, adding she prays for him. The answer was not convincing. In fact, it appears to have validated the question.
So, where does impeachment go? Our Founders would be aghast at a personally motivated impeachment, at the ousting of an opponent for purely political reasons.
In 1796, John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson to become our second president – by 71 e*******l v**es, one more than a majority. Jefferson did not suggest the outcome was illegitimate, or that impeachment would settle scores. Jefferson never thought like that.
When Jefferson later served as America’s third president, he did so after an e******n thrown into the House, and 35 b****ts. Politics aside, Jefferson’s archnemesis Alexander Hamilton cast a v**e for Jefferson – to end the impasse. No one imagined impeachment would remedy that outcome.
So here we are, Democrats wringing hands as they stand at the end of a plank – one their leader walked them out on. They face an uncomfortable decision: Jump into this mess or turn it around.
Just as discretion is the better part of valor, integrity and turning around would help 31 Democratic members hold their seats. But do not count on it. H**e – that is, personal disaffection for President Trump – runs deep.
We are likely to see a personally motivated impeachment – setting a dangerous precedent. The reporter who asked about motivation was right on. Americans know the answer, the Speaker’s denial notwithstanding this is about 2016, and personal antipathy. Sad but true.
This Impeachment is Personal – A Dangerous Precede... (
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Not only all that, but they have only one platform to campaign on: RAISING TAXES!!
permafrost wrote:
I have to say this is one of the most pointless posts OPP has ever come up with..
What blog is it from???
Did something approach these remarks when the blow job was the origin of the impeachment process?
Fact is, blow jobs are fairly popular, the democrats are not.
permafrost wrote:
What is it you think Dems have or have not done?? The president breaks the law, as is clear in the constitution, it is the responsibility of congress to address that issue. They must do so, not consider the future e******n process. they must do that job..
Or is is that you do not think trump has done anything wrong?
Attempting to leverage help in his e******n from an other nation is OK with you??
Actually, you could say Trump might have broken the law. Trump started this by pointing out that the dem's, including Biden, might have broken the law. Is it not the responsibility of Congress and the President to address that issue????????????
Two faced democrats!!
permafrost wrote:
What is it you think Dems have or have not done?? The president breaks the law, as is clear in the constitution, it is the responsibility of congress to address that issue. They must do so, not consider the future e******n process. they must do that job..
Or is is that you do not think trump has done anything wrong?
Attempting to leverage help in his e******n from an other nation is OK with you??
What is 'do not think trump has done anything wrong' , Alex.
The problem, according to Trump supporters, is that Democrats are not shining his shoes and saying 'sir, yes sir' to his royal highness's every whim. I'm pretty sure that he and his supporters would have no problem 'disappearing' those who oppose him if they could.
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