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Dec 7, 2019 22:14:41   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
On the contrary, the Lord, our God, gave us common sense, and expects us to use it.

Fundamentalist Christians are very much people of peace. As Christians, we are aware of the reality of the presence of evil, and the necessity of resisting such evil.

We realize that the enemies we face are not merely human, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6:12).

W***e s*******y or white supremacism is the r****t belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. W***e s*******y has its roots in so-called "scientific r****m," often inspired by Darwin's Eugenics, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments, rather than the Bible or Christian teaching.

If those who are labeled "w***e s*********ts" function as terrorist groups, with their activities based only upon blind hatred of someone's skin color or religious affiliation, this is not inspired by or attributable to Biblical Christianity in either faith or practice.

Self-defense, on the other hand, is biblically permissible for Christians for two reasons.

As Christians we are called to value the image of God in the weak and vulnerable (Psalm 82:3-4; Prov. 31:8-9; Isaiah 1:17; 1 Tim. 5:8) and to protect them. In some cases the defense of the weak may require intervention against an attacker to prevent the loss of life.

We are told to resist evil, which comes in the form of physical violence against us as well as spiritual, for both areas can be spiritually motivated by Satan's evil emissaries.

In both the New and Old Testaments, we see example of believers taking steps to defend themselves, even arming themselves, in the face of potential danger. In Exodus 22:2-3 we see God speak to the acceptability of defending one’s home against a thief.

In Nehemiah 4:16-18 when the city was being rebuilt the men divided the labor in such a way that some took up spears, shields, and bows for their defense, while others worked. Those who carried the loads or built the wall did so with their weapon readily available.

Jesus himself instructed his disciples to sell their cloak and buy swords (Luke 27:36). Furthermore, Jesus regularly used word pictures and stories about self-defense in order to make a broader spiritual point (Luke 11:21; Matt. 12:29). The biblical narratives assume the right of sober self-defense.

The phrase "resist the devil" is found in James 4:7 where the apostle James exhorts believers to resist the devil in order to cause him to flee or "run away" from us. To resist means to withstand, strive against, or oppose in some manner, but only after fully submitting ourselves to God.

This is a sensitive issue of conscience for many, and any such self-defense must be considered as a last resort and in response to a reasonable threat. The same principle of valuing the image of God in others that drives us to protect the weak among us also compels us to a careful and measured response against our would-be attackers.



PeterS wrote:
I guess you don't count w***e s*********ts as Christian terror groups do you. And of course, you and your fellow Christian fundamentalists don't exactly seem to be men of peace. Seems like you traded Christ's love in your heart for the security of an AR-15. Beats counting on Christ for protection huh!

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Dec 8, 2019 01:08:53   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
On the contrary, the Lord, our God, gave us common sense, and expects us to use it.

Fundamentalist Christians are very much people of peace. As Christians, we are aware of the reality of the presence of evil, and the necessity of resisting such evil.

We realize that the enemies we face are not merely human, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6:12).

W***e s*******y or white supremacism is the r****t belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. W***e s*******y has its roots in so-called "scientific r****m," often inspired by Darwin's Eugenics, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments, rather than the Bible or Christian teaching.

If those who are labeled "w***e s*********ts" function as terrorist groups, with their activities based only upon blind hatred of someone's skin color or religious affiliation, this is not inspired by or attributable to Biblical Christianity in either faith or practice.

Self-defense, on the other hand, is biblically permissible for Christians for two reasons.

As Christians we are called to value the image of God in the weak and vulnerable (Psalm 82:3-4; Prov. 31:8-9; Isaiah 1:17; 1 Tim. 5:8) and to protect them. In some cases the defense of the weak may require intervention against an attacker to prevent the loss of life.

We are told to resist evil, which comes in the form of physical violence against us as well as spiritual, for both areas can be spiritually motivated by Satan's evil emissaries.

In both the New and Old Testaments, we see example of believers taking steps to defend themselves, even arming themselves, in the face of potential danger. In Exodus 22:2-3 we see God speak to the acceptability of defending one’s home against a thief.

In Nehemiah 4:16-18 when the city was being rebuilt the men divided the labor in such a way that some took up spears, shields, and bows for their defense, while others worked. Those who carried the loads or built the wall did so with their weapon readily available.

Jesus himself instructed his disciples to sell their cloak and buy swords (Luke 27:36). Furthermore, Jesus regularly used word pictures and stories about self-defense in order to make a broader spiritual point (Luke 11:21; Matt. 12:29). The biblical narratives assume the right of sober self-defense.

The phrase "resist the devil" is found in James 4:7 where the apostle James exhorts believers to resist the devil in order to cause him to flee or "run away" from us. To resist means to withstand, strive against, or oppose in some manner, but only after fully submitting ourselves to God.

This is a sensitive issue of conscience for many, and any such self-defense must be considered as a last resort and in response to a reasonable threat. The same principle of valuing the image of God in others that drives us to protect the weak among us also compels us to a careful and measured response against our would-be attackers.
On the contrary, the Lord, our God, gave us common... (show quote)


Well said...

Wish more Christians would realize this

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Dec 8, 2019 01:25:40   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Kevyn wrote:
Are you that dense? It’s good for business, Trumps business that is.... why should a few dead Americans interrupt “the Art of the deal”?


Weren't you one of the most outspoken critics of Trump's policy to ban travel from seven Islamic countries that breed Wahabism, Islamism, and terrorism or are dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood? You got what you wanted and this is what happens.

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Dec 8, 2019 01:29:00   #
debeda
 
Kevyn wrote:
Are you that dense? It’s good for business, Trumps business that is.... why should a few dead Americans interrupt “the Art of the deal”?


Saudis have been training here for 20 years

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Dec 8, 2019 01:31:22   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Zemirah wrote:
This was obviously preplanned, and the photos/videos to be used for future recruiting propaganda, probably for ISIS or Al Qaeda.

We will probably release these criminals to Saudi Arabia so that they can administer wh**ever type of justice they determine to be proper, if any.


That would be beheading, still done in public to keep everyone in line.

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Dec 8, 2019 01:36:13   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
bahmer wrote:
Send all of the Muslim people in the USA back to their home country. They don't seem to be able to assimilate to America so send them back to their sand castles in the dessert.


I know many Muslims who are good neighbors and good people who are peaceful and patriotic Americans. They do not agree with the tactics used by the terrorists. Some are second- and third-generation citizens and some fought in our armed forces in the M.E. It is hardly fair to lump all into one category.

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Dec 8, 2019 01:40:16   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Not the cia, they were in on 9/11.


That's the problem! They weren't in on 9/11. In fact, they and other intelligence agencies dropped the ball by not talking to each other. Bureaucratic turf wars prevented anyone from listening to the evidence and connecting the dots before that terrible day. It ranks right up there with 12/7/41, the Kennedy and King assassinations.

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Dec 8, 2019 01:46:44   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Zemirah wrote:
On the contrary, the Lord, our God, gave us common sense, and expects us to use it.

Fundamentalist Christians are very much people of peace. As Christians, we are aware of the reality of the presence of evil, and the necessity of resisting such evil.

We realize that the enemies we face are not merely human, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6:12).

W***e s*******y or white supremacism is the r****t belief that white people are superior to people of other races and therefore should be dominant over them. W***e s*******y has its roots in so-called "scientific r****m," often inspired by Darwin's Eugenics, and it often relies on pseudoscientific arguments, rather than the Bible or Christian teaching.

If those who are labeled "w***e s*********ts" function as terrorist groups, with their activities based only upon blind hatred of someone's skin color or religious affiliation, this is not inspired by or attributable to Biblical Christianity in either faith or practice.

Self-defense, on the other hand, is biblically permissible for Christians for two reasons.

As Christians we are called to value the image of God in the weak and vulnerable (Psalm 82:3-4; Prov. 31:8-9; Isaiah 1:17; 1 Tim. 5:8) and to protect them. In some cases the defense of the weak may require intervention against an attacker to prevent the loss of life.

We are told to resist evil, which comes in the form of physical violence against us as well as spiritual, for both areas can be spiritually motivated by Satan's evil emissaries.

In both the New and Old Testaments, we see example of believers taking steps to defend themselves, even arming themselves, in the face of potential danger. In Exodus 22:2-3 we see God speak to the acceptability of defending one’s home against a thief.

In Nehemiah 4:16-18 when the city was being rebuilt the men divided the labor in such a way that some took up spears, shields, and bows for their defense, while others worked. Those who carried the loads or built the wall did so with their weapon readily available.

Jesus himself instructed his disciples to sell their cloak and buy swords (Luke 27:36). Furthermore, Jesus regularly used word pictures and stories about self-defense in order to make a broader spiritual point (Luke 11:21; Matt. 12:29). The biblical narratives assume the right of sober self-defense.

The phrase "resist the devil" is found in James 4:7 where the apostle James exhorts believers to resist the devil in order to cause him to flee or "run away" from us. To resist means to withstand, strive against, or oppose in some manner, but only after fully submitting ourselves to God.

This is a sensitive issue of conscience for many, and any such self-defense must be considered as a last resort and in response to a reasonable threat. The same principle of valuing the image of God in others that drives us to protect the weak among us also compels us to a careful and measured response against our would-be attackers.
On the contrary, the Lord, our God, gave us common... (show quote)


And therein lies the dissimilarities between those who have faith and those who don't.

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Dec 8, 2019 01:49:18   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax before they post accusatory remarks toward any group. There is good and bad to be found in every society.

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Dec 8, 2019 01:54:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax before they post accusatory remarks toward any group. There is good and bad to be found in every society.


Nice string of post Tucker

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Dec 8, 2019 02:52:14   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
dtucker300 wrote:
I know many Muslims who are good neighbors and good people who are peaceful and patriotic Americans. They do not agree with the tactics used by the terrorists. Some are second- and third-generation citizens and some fought in our armed forces in the M.E. It is hardly fair to lump all into one category.


Wolves in sheep's clothing. Some things never change. That is why we always stand guard over the meek. I am a sentinel I watch over the land during the witching hour every night. All is quiet for now. Evil beware I carried a switch but I also carry a jaw bone from an ass.

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Dec 8, 2019 02:58:15   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
It is 2:52 a.m. and I just heard a knock on my bulkhead. Is evil at my door? Leering sneering? Let them I carry a glock 45 240 grain hollow points. Let him change his ways in God's name. And for his own sake. I Am The Sentinel.

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Dec 8, 2019 03:22:37   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
"I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem; they shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that are Jehovah's remembrancers, take ye no rest." (Isaiah 62:6)


Texas T***h wrote:
It is 2:52 a.m. and I just heard a knock on my bulkhead. Is evil at my door? Leering sneering? Let them I carry a glock 45 240 grain hollow points. Let him change his ways in God's name. And for his own sake. I Am The Sentinel.

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Dec 8, 2019 03:53:32   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
Zemirah wrote:
"I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem; they shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that are Jehovah's remembrancers, take ye no rest." (Isaiah 62:6)


I really did hear that odd subtle knock against my bulkhead at 2:52 a.m. . And again at 3:05. And it's not the first time I have heard the knock. One single quiet knock. For the oddest reason I am always out of bed awake before 2 in the morning every morning. I got my sleep and then I am on post. Watching Ancient Aliens very interesting. Another show with NASA's unexplained files. Another very interesting show. Sounds like they are letting the cat out of the bag when it comes to extraterrestrials. Way too much heavy duty evidence. I have a feeling that we may be meeting those who come down from up high. There is supposed to be a great battle on the Earth as well as a great battle in the heavens. I'm preparing to be ready for both.

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Dec 8, 2019 05:59:27   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
In the fifth chapter of Matthew, Jesus compares the Christian to a city on a hill. The chief means of defense for ancient cities were the walls that surrounded them. In fact, throughout much of the Old Testament, the terms city and fortress were synonymous.

God's t***h, revealed to us in the Bible, says nothing about terrestrial aliens, but a good deal about demonic deception, for Satan's demons can easily masquerade as aliens from outer space.

That does not mean that what you hear is not an actual sound, but the source responsible may be other than what you are led to believe it to be.

Many people find man made shows about aliens from outer space (extraterrestrials) entertaining, as they are based on man's imagination, but God does not in any way verify anything about such beings being anything but deceiving demons.

Have you read about the Fox Sisters (1830s-1890s) who were responsible for the popularity of "Spiritualism" during that time, which they created by claiming to hear rappings on their wall?

Many people have heard such sounds since.

Colossians 2:8 Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces of the world, and not based on Christ.


Texas T***h wrote:
I really did hear that odd subtle knock against my bulkhead at 2:52 a.m. . And again at 3:05. And it's not the first time I have heard the knock. One single quiet knock. For the oddest reason I am always out of bed awake before 2 in the morning every morning. I got my sleep and then I am on post. Watching Ancient Aliens very interesting. Another show with NASA's unexplained files. Another very interesting show. Sounds like they are letting the cat out of the bag when it comes to extraterrestrials. Way too much heavy duty evidence. I have a feeling that we may be meeting those who come down from up high. There is supposed to be a great battle on the Earth as well as a great battle in the heavens. I'm preparing to be ready for both.
I really did hear that odd subtle knock against my... (show quote)

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