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Nov 29, 2019 14:44:28   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
woodguru wrote:
It would be nice if the right could start looking at a whole sequence of events that fit without contradictions without automatically jumping out and saying everything is BS


This would be fine with me, go back 70 years in Ukraine that's what Trump is attempting to do. You'd learn things that would blow your mind.

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Nov 29, 2019 17:05:12   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
woodguru wrote:
It's ironic but people who form beliefs when they first hear of something also believes that the other side, the opposition... forms their opinions the same exact way. One person argues based on a whole slew of contributing facts that leads to the conclusion and the argument is with people that formed a belief based well before all of the information was even in.

How can you say you know what the facts are when you don't know what the facts are?

I have repeatedly had friends make the statement when I have asked them if they would like a rundown on what's going on, that they know everything they need to know. They admit they know nothing about the details of what was going on, but neither believe they need to know anything else or want to know.

The mind blowing thing is that people will fight over things they are truly ignorant about, and that my friends is scary in a truly frightening way...ignorance and ignorant people who form beliefs scares the crap out of me.
It's ironic but people who form beliefs when they ... (show quote)


All well and good, but you never present new facts like for example Devin Nunes found a loophole in the Constitution that allows Republicans to call witnesses, and do about everything that Schitt is doing. It was in Trending Politics. I never get links, I just copy the page. That particular rule is House Rule XI, Clause 2(j)(1)
Or another:
On Monday, the Supreme Court shot down House Democrats' efforts to get access to President Trump's financial records. The block from the Court is temporary and allows the President's lawyers to submit a petition by December 5th.

“The court’s action signals that, even as Congress considers impeaching Trump, the court will undertake a more complete consideration of the legal powers of Congress and state prosecutors to investigate the president while he is in office,” The Washington Post reported. “The court instructed Trump’s lawyers to file a petition by Dec. 5 stating why it should accept the case for full briefing and oral argument. If the petition is eventually denied, the lower court ruling will go into effect. If accepted, the case likely will be heard this term, with a decision before the court adjourns at the end of June.”

In his court filing, lawyer to President Trump William Consovoy said: “The Court should grant the stay. This is a significant separation-of-powers clash between the President and Congress. The dissenting judges made a compelling case why review is warranted and the decision below is unlikely to survive further review. And the Committee now says it will suffer no irreparable harm so long as the Court hears this case ‘on an expedited basis this Term, if it does grant certiorari,’ id. at 2, while Applicants will obviously suffer irreparable harm if a stay is denied. There is simply no basis to deny interim relief and thus end this case before Applicants have the opportunity to file a certiorari petition. To that end, Applicants are prepared to proceed on any schedule that the Court deems appropriate should the stay pending certiorari be granted.”

This ruling by the Supreme Court comes as the Schiff impeachment hearings into President Trump wrapped up.

“The subpoenas issued by the congressional committee and separately by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. are directed to the president’s longtime accounting firm Mazars USA. It has said it will comply with the eventual court order, so turning over the records would not require any action on the president’s part,” The Washington Post continues. “The subpoena from the House committee was issued in April, before that body took up a formal impeachment inquiry. But Letter said impeachment proceedings underscore the need for the court to move quickly.”

Although their minds are already made up on impeachment, Democrats claim they need President Trump's records to know “whether senior government officials, including the president, are acting in the country’s best interest and not in their own financial interest, whether federal agencies are operating free from financial conflicts and with accurate information, and whether any legislative reforms are needed to ensure that these fundamental principles are respected.”
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