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Nov 24, 2019 20:31:29   #
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Ancient Rabbis: The Trinity in the Hebrew Scriptures

I. Passages and/or titles in the Law and the Prophets teaching a plurality of Persons in the Godhead and identifying the number and roles of three Persons.

A. Elohim. Used throughout the OT. It is the tri-plural form of a word meaning "god, authority, etc." Several references make the point.

Gen 1:1. By the Beginning [One] created (singular) the Gods (plural) ...

The preposition bet is either locative "in" or instrumental "by," but "in" is not possible ­ it makes the verse tautologous since the creation is the beginning of time; so this is the instrumental case "by" [cf. Augustine, Confessions, XIII.5 and Prov. 8:22-36, Rev. 3:14]. Is "Gods" the "plural of majesty" only and not God-Persons?

(1) No, because even the unitarian rabbis in Talmud conceded that Elohim indicates three persons. See II.G. below.

(2) No, because Moses had at his disposal singular words which can only refer to Absolute Deity: Jehovah, Eloah, Adoni, El Shaddai, etc., but did not use them.

(3) No, because the grammar in passages now considered forbids such a view.

Job 40:15-24. Behold now Beasts (plural) which I made with thee ... his (singular personal pronoun) strength ... his (singular personal pronoun) force ... He (singular personal pronoun) is chief of the way of God ... [throughout the passage].

Beasts is the plural of majesty indicating the largest animal made on the sixth day of creation. This passage and other (cf. Gen 1:25 2:20 6:20 7:14 (cattle translates beasts)) establish: mere plurals of majesty cannot take plural pronouns ­ they must take singular pronouns. Plural nouns taking plural personal pronouns must refer to plural persons.

Gen. 1:26-7. And the Gods (plural) said (singular), "Let us make (singular) ran in our (plural) image (singular), after our (plural) likeness (singular) ... And the Gods (plural) created (singular) the man in His (singular) image (singular), in the image (singular) of the Gods (plural) created (singular) Be (singular) him ...

Note: angels cannot create de novo; man is not made in the image of angels (but land animals are made in the images of various ranks of cherubim Verse 27 expressly excludes the angels (made in His image) and us/our cannot refer to Adam and/or Eve, creating sin of tautology. Therefore make, image, likeness, etc. refer exclusively to Deity; and so the grammatical rules for the plural of majesty apply to say that God is truly tri-plural in Person since the tri-plural Elohim is the antecedent of tri-plural personal pronouns.

Gen. 3:22 11:7 Isaiah 6:8, etc. As above.

Conclusion for A. God is tri-plural as to Person; this is proved by the use of the tri-plural in conjunction with tri-plural personal pronouns, and two of these Persons are identified - the Beginning One Who is the Word (Who speaks in Gen. 1:3,26, etc), and the Spirit of God (Gen. 1:2). And God is singular in Being and Substance as proved by the singularity of image, likeness, created, make. The grammar of plural of majesty, the mere creaturehood of angels, and the ban against tautology completely refute the careless rebuttals of the unitarian rabbis [scrutinize Sanhedrin 244-6 Midrashim I. 59-60].

B. HaShema - Deut. 6:4. Hear, O Israel: Jehovah (singular) our Gods (plural) [is] a unioned/unified Jehovah (singular).

There are two Hebrew words for one: achad, used here and meaning a "collection or union of diverse objects"; and yachid, meaning "absolute singularity" (yachid also meant originally "a collection or union ...", by the time the Hebrew Scriptures were written its meaning had changed). Below are Biblical references supporting these claims:

(1) Moses had available a word indicating "absolute singularity", but eschewed it in favor of the word which implies plurality within unity.

(2) This adds to,confirms the plural-of-majesty grammatical argument given above that Elohim indicates the Three Persons of the Godhead.

(3) This verse is an explicit statement of the Doctrine of the Trinity - it teaches the plurality of the Persons and Their unity as One Being. Jehovah indicates the unity of Substance and Elohim indicates tri-plurality of Persons. Thus Jehovah Elohim, or "LORD God" in the KJV NAS etc is the Hebraic way of saying "Trinity."

(4) This is the first fundamental tenet of the Mosaic faith. Moses is explicitly denying the unitarian, impersonal, Absolute Oneness and pantheism of the pagans on one hand, and the chaotic polytheism of the pagans on the other. Furthermore, the Trinity is fundamental to law, and hence it is appropriate that the Trinity be emphatically stated at the beginning of the giving of the Second Law, as Israel is about to enter the land and function as a society: community, community laws, love, mercy, justice, etc are all social issues implying a plurality of persons; and the God Who regulates them understands these issues perfectly since He is a "community" of Persons in the Divine Essence. [See Shedd, Dogmatic Theology I. 244-5]

Ached: Representative Usage

Gen. 1:5 2:24 29:20 32:8 34:16,22 41:5,25-6 48:22 Ex. 12:46,49 16:22 24:3 26:6,8,10,11,16-17,19,21, 25 Num. 10:4 13:23 14:15 Josh 3:13,16 6:3,11,14 Jud. 6:16, etc.

Yachid: Complete Concordance

Gen. 22:2,12,16 Judges 11:34 Ps. 22: 20(21) 25:16 35:17 68:6(7) Prov. 4:3 Jer. 6:26 Amos 8:10 Zech. 12:10.

In most of C - I below, the form of the argument is the same: the Person with the title under consideration is identified in a given passage as Deity, and yet that Person is distinguished in that passage from another Person also identified as Deity. This argument is obvious in most passages cited under each heading, so the passages are simply listed with only occasional comment.

C. The Angel Jehovah / Angel of His Presence / Sent Jehovah. Each passage which asserts the Deity of a Person called the Angel of Jehovah (or equivalent terminology) a fortiori implies Personal Distinction within the Godhead: Angel (Malak) means Sent One; the genitive of Jehovah is the genitive of source indicating the One doing the sending; hence Angel of Jehovah indicates a person being sent - Angel - who is distinct from another person - Jehovah - who does the sending; and if the text in question identifies Angel as Deity, then the text implies One Person of Deity is sending Another Person of Deity. Not every occurrence of an angel or of the phrase "angel of Jehovah" is Deity or a reference to Deity, respectively; but the Scriptures frequently describe a Person as Angel of Jehovah (or the equivalent) Who in context is given the Divine Name or Divine Titles (recall Isa. 42:8;48:11), Who is worshiped, sacrificed to, described as doing that which only God can do (redeeming, saving, ...), etc, and such passages unanswerably imply the Doctrine of the Trinity, many such passages are listed below.

Gen. 16:7-14 18:1-33 21:17-21 22:11-12 32:24-32 35:3,9-15 48:15-16
Ex. 3:1-18/4:1-13 13:21/14:19 19:18-20/24:9-12 23:20-23
Num. 22:22-35
Josh. 5:13-6:5,
Jud. 2:1-5 6:11-24 13:23 (note In Jud. 13:18, secret should be translated wonderful, a Hebrew word occurring 71 times, all of which refer to Deity, and occurs as a name only here and in Isa. 9:6 (!))
Isa. 48:12-17 (Verse 16 reads in the original and now Adoni Jehovah has sent We and His Spirit), Isa.63:9-10 (all Three Persons explicitly mentioned).
Zech. 3:1-4 (cf. Isa. 61:10)
Mal. 3:1.

Angel Jehovah is identified with the Man of Sorrows: Isa. 52:10;53:1-12 and note the Hebraism - "baring/revealing the arm" is the mark of the messenger (Angel) of Jehovah.

D. The Word of Jehovah. Implicitly, the Jehovah Angel is the One Who speaks for God and is His Personal Word. But to the passages of C above a few more are added that actually use the terminology Word of Jehovah (or the equivalent). The Word (Memra) of Jehovah in Targumim is taken up in II.A.

Gen. 3:8. The Voice of Jehovah = the Word of Jehovah.

I Sam. 3:1,3,6-8,10. The Word appeared to Samuel.

E. The Son of Jehovah. These are explicit.

II Sam. 7:14. From the standpoint of the long-term, a Messianic prophecy.

Ps. 2:7-12. Verse 12 should read Kiss the Son's feet ... The parallelism between Verse 11 (Serve Jehovah) and Verse 12 (Kiss the Son's feet) identifies the two. Verse 12 ascribes attributes of Deity to the Son.

Prov. 30:4. The Spirit does not record facetious questions about nothing, - the Son is a Person within the Divine Essence.

Isa. 9:6. The Son is expressly called Eloah (singular), the title of God used frequently in Scripture, and the Everlasting Creator, a title only usable of Deity.

F. The King of God. Ps. 45:2,6-7. The title God is used of two distinct Persons of Deity, One of Whom is the King.

G. The Wisdom of Jehovah. Prov. 8:12-36. In this passage, Wisdom is described as a person, and hence as a Person of Deity in a certain relationship with another Person of Deity. Time is part of Creation and therefore precisely co-extensive with Creation; hence that which happens before creation is timeless, and so has happened from eternity and continues to happens.

Verse 22. Before His works of old implies the possession of one Person by the other. Person is timeless, always has been and always will be.

Verse 23. Set-up is a mistranslation. The Hebrew verb is used almost universally in Scripture (and translated) as POURED-OUT. Since this is a timeless pouring out, He is saying I am being poured-out from everlasting. There is no plainer language: Wisdom is the eternally begotten and generated Son of Jehovah.

Verse 24. Brought forth is literally twisted-out or twirled-out. Now twisted-out is here translated travail (of labor) in [J. Green, The Interlinear Bible] and is paralleled in the Hebrew text with beget in Isa. 45:10. This explicitly confirms the teaching above: I am being born when there were no depths.

Verses 25-6. Same verb used in Verse 24, with same ramifications.

Verse 27. Was is not in the Hebrew text ­ there is no verb to be in Hebrew; the proper verb must be supplied from the context, which is the timelessness of eternity past. The idea is: I was already there in eternity, i.e. I AM there.

Verse 30. With Him is literally at His Side, i.e. as a full and equal Joint-Participant and Agent. Brought-up translates a Hebrew word different from that used in Verses 24-6: the word here means parented/fostered; so the Brought-up One is literally the Parented One, i.e. SON.

There is no equal to this passage in the N. T. or even any systematic theology for the precise theological statement of the eternal begetting and generating of the Son by the Father.

H. Immanuel. The name means "God personally among us which implies "God as one of us : see Isa. 7:14 in the extended prophetic context of 8:8 9:6.

I. Branch of Jehovah. Jer. 23:5-6; cf. Isa. 42:8 48:11; and note that the Branch is distinguished from Jehovah. I

J. Adonim. Mal. 1:6. Master is plural: Adonim or Lords - If I am Lords; cf. Ps. 110:1. Adon means "personal master"; this strengthens the notion of Personal Plurality in the Godhead.

K. The Spirit of Jehovah / The Holy Spirit. Many passages use "Spirit of Jehovah" of an angel working as an invisible spirit. But many others refer to Deity in a personal way, and/or as distinct from other Persons of Deity. See the references of L below; to these are added Gen. 1:2 6:3 II Sam. 23:2-3 II Chron. 18:23 Neh. 9:20, Ps. 33:6 104:30 139:7-8 Isa. 40:13- 4 63:10 Ezek. 37:9-14.

L. Other important passages.

(1) Passages specifying or implying the Three Persons.

Isa. 48:16 (see corrected translation given in C above).

Haggai 2:4-5. The particle et indicates either accusative or with. The context clearly favors with the Word for several reasons: the point is not the covenant but the presence of God among them; this is the sense of et at the end of Verse 4 (with you); this passage refers to and fits beautifully with Ex. 23:20- 3. Hence Verses 4b-5 should be translated:

For I am with you, says Jehovah of hosts, with the Word [by] Whom I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt, and My Spirit abides among you: fear not.

This is precisely the rendering in the Targum Onkelos of Num. 14:30 - you shall [not] come into the land in which I: covenanted by My Word to cause you to dwell.

Ex. 3:2 4:23:20 32:34 (God and the Angel of God bring Israel out of Egypt), Isa. 63:7-14 (The Spirit of God brought Israel out).

Num. 6:24-6 Isa. 6:3. Further proof that Elohim was to be understood as precisely Three.

(2) Passages specifying or implying distinct Persons in the Godhead.

Gen. 19:24. Unavoidable distinction between Two Persons of Jehovah.

Isa. 41:21-3 In context Jehovah refers to Himself as we and us. Note the argument given in A above on the use of plural pronouns.

Isa. 44:6 Jehovah ... and His redeemer Jehovah of Hosts.

II. Rabbinical Citations. The most ancient scribes and rabbis taught the Trinity; these generally predate 200 C. E.. The less ancient rabbis, those generally associated with post-Christian compilation of Talmud (ending 400 C. E. for the Palestinian, 500 C. E. for Babylonian) and Midrashim (from 200 C.E. to 900 C. E.) are unitarian. The shift is based on factors including the following: the abandonment of the normative hermeneutic or grammatico-historical method in interpreting Scripture in favor of the allegorical method governed by Oral Tradition, and the debates within the Church; i.e., the abandonment of Scriptura Sola coupled with the desire to defend the Pharasaic tradition.

A. The Targumim. Translations of the Hebrew Scriptures into Chaldee (or Aramaic or Syriac), when compared with the Hebrew, give a crystal clear indication of what many ancient rabbis taught concerning the doctrine of the Trinity. Especially clear is their perception of the Word of Jehovah ­ called The Memra of Jehovah ­ as a distinctive Person of Deity Who personally articulates and manifests the Father to His People. They understood this Person to be the same as Angel Jehovah.

The weight of historical evidence clearly places these works prior to the "Christian" era; this proves that ancient rabbis understood the Trinity on the basis of the Hebrew Scriptures.



Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Still confused how the Jews had a special relationship with God but never picked up on His being a threesome...

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Nov 24, 2019 20:54:52   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Conclusion: Ancient Rabbis and the Trinity:

Frequently in the following references, the Hebrew reading is converted to the Chaldee reading by replacing Jehovah by Word of Jehovah, and in such a way as to teach the personal Deity of the Word; and any passage teaching the Deity of the Memra of Jehovah teaches that the Memra is a Person of Deity distinct from the Person denominated Jehovah ­ the proof of this assertion is analogous to that given in the introduction in I.C. above. Finally, Memra is the Chaldee equivalent of the Greek Logos.

(1) Targum of Onkelos. In over 79 undisputed passages in the Penteteuch alone (!), Memra of Jehovah is used of Deity and hence a Person in the Godhead distinct from another Person called Jehovah. Below a few representative passages which must be compared with the Hebrew text.

Gen 3:8,10. And they heard the voice of the Memra of Jehovah Elohim walking in the garden ... The voice of Thy Memra heard I in the garden, and I was afraid.

Gen 6:6-7.And it repented Jehovah in His Memra that He had made man upon the earth. And He said in His Memra that He would break their strength according to His pleasure.

Gen 15:6. And he believed in the Memra of Jehovah, and He reckoned it to him unto justification.

Gen 17:2,7,10. And I will set a covenant between My Memra and thee, ... And I will establish My covenant between My Memra and thee, and thy sons ... This is My covenant which you shall keep between My Memra and you ... And you shall circumcise ... for the sign of the covenant between My Memra and you.

Gen 28:20-1. And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If the Memra of Jehovah will be my help, and will keep me in that way in which I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to wear, and bring me in peace to my father's house, the Memra of Jehovah shall be my God.

Gen 31:49-50. ... The Memra of Jehovah will observe between me and thee ... see the Memra of Jehovah is witness between me and thee.

Ex 3:12. Because My Memra shall be thy helper ...

Lev 20:23. ... and My Memra hath abhored them.

Num 14:9. Only be not rebellious against the Memra of Jehovah, ... and the Memra of Jehovah is our helper.

Deut 33:27. The habitation of Eloha is from eternity, and the world was made by His Memra; ...

(2) Targum of Palestine / "Jonathan ben Uzziel". In over 212 undisputed passages in the Penteteuch alone (!), Memra of Jehovah is used of Deity and hence a Person in the Godhead distinct from another Person called Jehovah. Below a few representative passages to be compared with the Hebrew text.

Gen 2:8. And a garden from the Eden of the just was planted by the Memra of Jehovah Elohim ...

Gen 4:26 5:2 That was the generation in whose days they began to err, and to make themselves idols, and surnamed their idols by the Name of the Memra of Jehovah. Male and female created He them, and blessed them in the Name of His Memra, ...

Gen 22:16. By My Memra have I sworn ...

Ex 33:16-21. ... and by Thy speaking by the Holy Spirit to me and to Thy people. that we may be distinguished from all the peoples on the face of the earth? And Jehovah said to Mosheh, This thing will ... I also do ... And he said, Show now unto me Thy glory: but He said, Behold, I will make all the measure of My goodness pass before thee, and I will give utterance in the Name of the Memra of Jehovah before thee; and I will have compassion And He said, Thou canst not see the visage of My face; for no one can see Me and abide alive. And Jehovah said, Behold a place is prepared before Me, and thou shalt stand upon the rock. And it shall be that when the glory of My Shekhinah passeth before thee, I will put thee in the cavern of the rock, and will overshadow thee with My Memra until I have passed by.

Ex 34:5. And Jehovah revealed Himself in the cloud of the glory of His Shekhinah, and Mosheh stood with Him there; and Mosheh called upon the Name of the Memra of Jehovah.

Lev 1:1. ... and the Memra of Jehovah spake with him from the tabernacle of ordinance

Num 23:20. Behold, from the mouth of the Holy Memra I have received this benediction.

Deut 1:10. The Memra of Jehovah our Elohim hath multiplied you; and behold ...

(3) Jerusalem Targum. In over 70 undisputed passages in the Penteteuch alone (!), Memra of Jehovah is used of Deity and hence a Person in the Godhead distinct from another Person called Jehovah. Below are a few representative passages to be compared with the Hebrew text.

Gen. 1:27. And the Memra of Jehovah created man in His likeness, ...

Gen. 16:13. And Hagar gave thanks, and prayed in the Name of the Memra of Jehovah Who had been manifested to her, saying, Blessed be Thou, Eloha, the Living One of all Ages, Who has looked upon affliction.

Ex 3:14 And the Memra of Jehovah said to Mosheh, He Who spake to the world, Be, and it was; and Who will speak to it, Be, and it will be. And He said, Thus shalt thou speak to the sons Israel EHEYEB [I will be] hath sent me unto you.

Comment. Many examples are common to the various Targumim. This proves that the doctrine of the Trinity was commonly believed amongst the Jews before the time of Christ.

B. LXX (Septuagint). This is the translation by the seventy-two rabbis in Alexandria of the Hebrew Scriptures and Apocrypha into Greek; this work was carried from approximately 250 B.C.E. to 100 B.C.E. Here the word for the Second Person used by these rabbis is Logos (just as in the N. T.).

Book of Wisdom 18:14-6. For while all things were in quiet silence, and that night [of the first Passover] was in the midst of her swift course, Thine Almighty Logos leaped from heaven out of Thy Royal Throne, as a fierce Man of War into a land of destruction, and brought Thine unfeigned commandment as a sharp sword, and standing up filled all things with death,

C. Philo of Judaeus Alexandria. Born circa 25 B.C.E. and died circa 50 C.E., this Hellenistic Jewish rabbi took the concept of the Logos from Platonic philosophy, and refashioned it along the lines of the traditional Jewish understanding. Philo's concept of the Logos may be viewed then as another indication of the Trinitarian views of the most ancient rabbis. (See [J. W. Etheridge, op. cit., Volume I, 20-23] for full quotes; see also [H. A. Wolfson, Philo, Volume I, 200-94] for a thorough discussion, apparently written on the assumption that the most ancient Judaism was unitarian, which runs counter to Etheridge's views. After looking at many Philonic scholars who would disagree with Etheridge, their documentation is more easily explained by Etheridge's thesis ­ especially scrutinize [Wolfson, op. cit., 291, lines 8-25] which makes Philo very self-contradictory unless a Personal distinction within the Divine Essence be assumed (and this is only one of many incongruities).

(1) Philo describes the Logos in the following terms: "the Eternal Logos of the Everlasting God is the strongest and steadfast support of the universe", "Image of God", "Creator", man is "His copied image", "His [God's] Angel" who sits over the Cherubim, "the Father begat Him [Logos], "His [God's] First-Begotten Son", "Second God", "advocate the Son" for the high priest before the Father, "holds and directs the universe", "Mediator" Who "should determine between the creature and Creator", "receives the charge of the sacred flock", we should "regard the Image of God, Who is His Angel, the Logos, as God Himself" and "pledge our faith by the Begotten [Logos] and ... invoke the Divine Logos to witness", etc., etc., etc.

(2) Philo, in his interpretation of the Hebrew Scriptures, views the Logos as the Person of Deity Who called to Adam in the garden, spoke to Hagar, wrestled with Jacob, and spoke to Moses in the bush; and he thereby identifies the Logos with Jehovah, Angel Jehovah, Memra of Jehovah, and the Man. Almost every distinctive phrase used of Christ in the NT is not historically original with the NT, but can be found, usually lock-stock-and-barrel, in the writings of Philo. Philo and his scholars force me to agree with Etheridge: first, Philo's Logos is much more than the impersonal sum or totality of God's ideas; and second, Philo confirms that the most ancient Jewish community was Trinitarian and looked to the Second Person for salvation.

D. New Testament (as a historical document recording rabbinical teachings)

(1) The New Testament never records the following kind of question or argument from the opponents of Christ: "there is no such thing as a 'Son of God', ipso facto you are not the Son of God". There are two possible explanations for this: first, Christ' s opponents were Trinitarian, or at least included many Trinitarians, who simply denied that He was the Son; or second, the NT totally misrepresents His opponents. That the second possibility is implausible is seen from the following typical and positive statements by the priests and rabbis; so our argument is much more than an "argument from silence", even though it is a most remarkable silence.

Matt 26:63. ... I adjure thee by the Living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.

Mark 14:61. Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed [One]?

Luke 22:66-70. Art thou the Christ? Art thou then the Son of God?

(2) Mark was a disciple and secretary to Peter, being called a son of Peter (I Pet. 5:13). Second, the phrase the Blessed One is absolutely rabbinical - one constantly sees the following phraseology amongst the rabbis "the Holy One, Blessed be He". Third, it stretches the imagination to conceive of Peter dictating to Mark and accurately relating the terminology of the rabbis in all parts of the sentence ­ the Christ, the Blessed One save the phrase Son of. Fourth, it cannot be maintained that the priests and rabbis are being sarcastic in the Matthew and Mark passages since it is (on the basis of the three reasons just given) their description of the Messiah as the incarnation of the Son of Jehovah ­ would they blaspheme just to "twit Christ's nose"? Fifth, the rabbis label Christ's answer as blasphemy ­ the Greek here does not mean profanity, but slander ­ and how could Christ's answer be slander against God if Messiah is a mere man?

(3) The conclusion seems unavoidable: the rabbis generally recognized the existence of the Second Person, called the Son of God or Son of the Blessed One; they recognized that Messiah would be the incarnation of the Second Person; and they most definitely did not acknowledge Jesus as that Messiah.

(4) The above argument and supporting examples can be multiplied many times over with respect to the Son, and it and they have its and their respective counterparts which show the Holy Spirit to have been recognized as the Third Person (e.g. where is rabbi Nicodemus' protest in John 3:1-8 to the Personhood of the Spirit, presented by Christ as the Personal Regenerator of the saints ­ there can be no protest since Ezek. 37:1-14 so teaches, as Christ implicitly reminds him in John 3:10, and why do the disciples not similarly protest in Jn 16:7,13, etc.)

E. Zohar. These are the rabbinical creeds, whose compilation has been done by unitarians, who mock those they call "mystics"; the mystics were the leftover Biblicists and Trinitarian rabbis of a dying age. Consider the following terminology of these "mystics", followed by a few citations translated in [Etheridge, op. cit., Volume II, 6-7], written long before the Council of Nicea.

(1) Terminology. Ab, Ben, veRuach hakadosh - Father, Son, and Spirit the Holy. Shilosh / Talithutho - Trinity.

(2) Exegesis of Scriptural texts.

Deut. 6:4. "Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. By the first name in this sentence, Jehovah, is signified God the Father, the Head of all things. By the next words, our God, is signified God the Son, the fountain of all knowledge; and the by second Jehovah is signified God the Holy Ghost, proceeding of Them both. To all which is added the word One, to signify that these Three are Indivisible. But this mystery shall not be revealed until the coming of Messiah."

The text (see I.B above), is emphatically clear that they were Trinitarians, even expressing themselves in the very language later to be used at Nicea and later Councils.

Isa. 6:3. "Holy, holy, holy Lord God of Sabaoth. Isaiah, by repeating Holy three times, does as much as if he had said, Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit; which Three Holies do make One and Only Lord God of Sabaoth."

(3) Doctrinal Statement of the Trinity. "Come and see the mystery. There are Three Degrees [in Elohim]; and each Degree is by Itself [balchudi]; nevertheless [aph albag] All are One; all united in unity, and this inseparable from that."

F. The Midrashim. These were compiled generally long after the rabbinical desertion of Scriptura Sola. Nonetheless, a few glimpses of truth can be seen.

Gen. 1:1. "In the Beginning God created, Beginning referring to Torah, as in the verse, The Lord made me in the beginning of His way (Prov. 8:22)" - [Midrashim, Genesis I, 1]. By connecting Beginning with the Prov. 8 passage, we see the glimmer of the truth that Wisdom as a Person of Deity is the Beginning One by means of which God created; see I.A above.

Gen. 1:2. "The Spirit of God hovered: this alludes to the Spirit of Messiah" ­ [Midrashim, Genesis I, 17]. There is a dim glimmer of the truth that the Father through His Logos spirates out the Spirit.

Gen. 4:25. "And she called his name Seth: For God hath appointed me another seed, etc. R. Tankhuma said in the name of Samuel Kozith: that seed which would arise from another source, King Messiah"- [Midrashim, Genesis I, 196]. This is a faint echo of the virgin birth (concerning the proof of which from the Hebrew Scripture see the outline).

G. Talmud (Gemara). The Talmuds were compiled by the unitarian descendants of the Pharisees. Nonetheless, there is the tacit admission, when the rabbis were not rebutting the "min" (heretics) concerning Gen. 1:26-7 (see LA), that elohim indicates three persons.

Berakoth 24 (Folio 6a). ... And how do you know that if three are sitting as a court of judges the Divine Presence is with them? For it is said: In the midst of elohim He judges [Ps. 82:1].

This clearly shows that apart from debate against Christians, the unitarians understood elohim as indicating three authorities; hence their courts consisted of three judges.

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Nov 24, 2019 22:25:17   #
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You never stop amazing me! Thank you for taking the time to share some of your wonderful knowledge with us! I love your spirited rebuttals and your kindness and always your love of presenting the Truth of the Word of our Lord and Savior!

MARANATHA

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Nov 24, 2019 22:28:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
I am having difficulty finding a source that states Elohim is a tri-plural noun....

Before I continue, could you provide one?

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Nov 24, 2019 22:32:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Thank you, TexaCan, your ten years of Bible Study illuminated by the Holy Spirit gave you more understanding and knowledge than many will ever receive in today's seminaries.

What you authentically have, especially compassion, no one can ever successfully pretend to possess.


TexaCan wrote:
I must admit that I wasn’t thinking about praying for him when I wrote the comment. But, of course, you are right, people like him need our prayers. There are several on this forum that seem to think Bible Study is discussing what God meant to say instead of what He actually said! When they think that it is presented in a good argument, it becomes OK to accept it as truth. It’s so important to stick to what the Bible teaches and not some book written by men.....whether it was many years ago in or near the time of Jesus or some new theology.

There are some very dedicated Christians on this site that are knowledgeable about the Bible and then there are some that could use a good study group with a really a GOOD teacher! I learned more in a 3 hr a week study group that required up to an hour a day to answer that days questions, that I went to for 10 years. We were very serious in what we studied and what we learned, but we really had so much fun. The questions were made up by our leader and they were really hard! She had taught a large Non-denomination Bible Study for many years. There were just app. 10 of us most of those years. We laughed at ourselves and each other for some of our answers! It’s a wonderful way to learn to study God’s word!

I respect Zemirah very much, for her devotion to sharing God’s word and her immense knowledge! She never starts an argument or insults, but she will stand toe to toe with anyone defending God’s Word! And.... you’re not to shabby yourself!

God Bless you both!

MARANATHA
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Nov 24, 2019 23:13:37   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Zemirah wrote:
Thank you, TexaCan, your ten years of Bible Study illuminated by the Holy Spirit gave you more understanding and knowledge than many will ever receive in today's seminaries.

What you authentically have, especially compassion, no one can ever successfully pretend to possess.


Thank you! That’s means a lot to me!

I wish everyone would have an opportunity to go to a good Bible Study. They can take a lot of time, but the time is so worth it!

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Nov 25, 2019 07:21:07   #
Rose42
 
TexaCan wrote:
You never stop amazing me! Thank you for taking the time to share some of your wonderful knowledge with us! I love your spirited rebuttals and your kindness and always your love of presenting the Truth of the Word of our Lord and Savior!

MARANATHA


Well put and I second that Zemirah. Sharing your knowledge is much appreciated!

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Nov 26, 2019 00:48:29   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Rose42 wrote:
Well put and I second that Zemirah. Sharing your knowledge is much appreciated!


Indeed, your knowledge is astounding! Many thanks for this work!

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Nov 29, 2019 17:40:52   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Zemirah wrote:
The Bible teaches the Incarnation of Jesus, 100 percent God; 100 percent man, undiminished Deity dwelling in humanity.

Jesus Christ Himself is the one perfect manifestation in history of the complete work of the Holy Spirit in mankind.

"Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. (Philippians 2:6-7)

You ask, "Of what did He empty Himself?”

Answer, at least five things:

1. He emptied Himself of glory. In John 17:5, Jesus prayed, “Glorify me...with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.” He gave up the adoration of the saints and angels when He came into this world.

2. He emptied Himself of independent authority. In John 5:30, Jesus said, “I can do nothing on My own.”
He brought Himself into a different relationship with the Father, where ALL of His activities and actions had to be cleared in that unusual way. Though equal with the Father, now uniquely submissive to Him.

3. He released the voluntary exercise of His divine attributes. Compare John 1:43–51 with Matthew 24:36 to see how Jesus sometimes was omniscient and sometimes not.

4. He gave up eternal riches. I just want you to try to imagine for a moment the treatment that the Son of God, the King of the universe, gets in heaven. Yet 2 Corinthians 8:9 says, “...though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.”

5. He gave up His intimate relationship with the Father. Who can describe the fellowship that exists between the first and second Person of the Trinity? And to hear Jesus on the cross in Matthew 27:46 beseeching, “My God, why have You forsaken Me?” He made Himself nothing — for you and me.

Jesus Christ was begotten of the Holy Spirit. We read in Luke i.35, R. V., "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee; and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also that which is to be born shall be called holy, the Son of God."

As we have already seen, in regeneration the believer is begotten of God, but Jesus Christ was begotten of God in His original generation when He took human form. He is the only begotten Son of God (John iii.16). It was entirely by the Spirit's power working in Mary that the Son of God took shape within her as the son of man.

The regenerated man has a carnal nature received from his earthly father and a new nature imparted by God. Jesus Christ had originally the one holy nature, that which in man is called the born-again nature indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ was born with the human nature of a man as He had a human mother, in addition to His own Holy nature.

Jesus Christ led a holy and spotless life here on earth and offered Himself without spot or blemish to God through the working of the Holy Spirit. We read in Hebrews ix.14,

"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God."

Jesus Christ met and overcame temptations as other men may meet and overcome them, in the power of the Holy Spirit. He was tempted and suffered through temptation (Hebrews iii.18), He was tempted in all points like as we are (Hebrews iv.15), but never once in any way did He yield to temptation. He was tempted entirely apart from sin (Hebrews iv.15), but He won His victories in a way that is open for all of us to win victory, in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ was anointed and fitted for service by the Holy Spirit. We read in Acts x.38, "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him."

In a prophetic vision of the coming Messiah in the Old Testament we read in Isaiah lxi.1, "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound."

In Luke's record of the earthly life of our Lord in Luke iv.14, we read "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee, and there went out a fame of Him through all the region round about."

In a similar way Jesus said of Himself when speaking in the synagogue in Nazareth, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the poor; He hath sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord" (Luke iv.18, 19, R. V.).

All these passages contain the one lesson, that it was by the especial anointing with the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ was qualified for the service to which God had called Him.

As He stood in the Jordan after His baptism, "The Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon Him," and it was then and there that He was anointed and baptized with the Holy Spirit, and equipped for the service that lay before Him. Jesus Christ received His equipment for service in the same way that we now receive ours by our baptism with the Holy Spirit, when we believe upon Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ was led by the Holy Spirit in His movements here upon earth. We read in Luke iv.1, R. V., "And Jesus full of the Holy Spirit returned from Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness."

Living as a man here upon earth and setting an example for us, each step of His life was under the Holy Spirit's guidance.

Jesus Christ was taught by the Spirit who rested upon Him. The Spirit of God was the source of His wisdom in the days of His flesh. In the Old Testament prophecy of the coming Messiah we read in Isaiah xi.2, 3,

"And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD. And shall make Him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and He shall not judge after the sight of His eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of His ears."

Further on in Isaiah xlii.1, R. V., we read, "Behold My servant, whom I uphold; My chosen in whom My soul delighteth; I have put My Spirit upon Him; He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles, etc." Matthew tells us in Matthew xii.17, 18, that this prophecy was fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth.

6. The Holy Spirit abode upon Jesus in all His fullness and the words He spoke in consequence were the very words of God. We read in John iii.34, R. V., "For He whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for He giveth not the Spirit by measure."

7. After His resurrection, Jesus Christ gave commandment unto His Apostles whom He had chosen through the Holy Spirit. We read in Acts i.2, "Until the day in which He was taken up, after that He through the Holy Ghost had given commandment unto the Apostles whom He had chosen." This relates to the time after His resurrection and so we see Jesus still working in the power of the Holy Spirit even after His resurrection from the dead.

8. Jesus Christ wrought His miracles here on earth in the power of the Holy Spirit. In Matt. xii.28, we read, "I cast out devils by the power of the Spirit of God." It is through the Spirit that miracle working power was given to some in the church after our Lord's departure from this earth (1 Corinthians xii.9, 10), and in the power of the same Spirit, Jesus Christ wrought His miracles.

9. It was by the power of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. We read in Romans viii.11, "But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you."

The same Holy Spirit who is to quicken our mortal bodies and is to raise us up in some future day raised up Jesus.

Several things are plainly evident from this study of the work of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ:

First of all, we see the completeness of His humanity. He lived and He thought, He worked, He taught, He conquered sin and won victories for God in the power of that very same Holy Spirit whom it is our privilege also to have.

In the second place, we see our own utter dependence upon the Holy Spirit. If it was in the power of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, lived and worked, achieved and triumphed, how much more dependent are we upon Him at every turn of life and in every phase of service and every experience of conflict with Satan and sin.

The third thing that is evident is the wondrous world of privilege to bestow blessing and service to others, and to glorify God that is open to us. The same Holy Spirit by which Jesus was originally begotten in the womb of Mary, is at our disposal, that we may by our faith in Jesus Christ, be spiritually born again through Him.

The same Holy Spirit by whom Jesus offered Himself as a sacrifice without spot or blemish to God the Father is at our disposal that we also may, through our faith in Jesus' death on the cross as payment of our sin debt, receive the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit, as we offer ourselves to God as a living sacrifice.

The same Holy Spirit by which Jesus was anointed for service is at our disposal that we may be anointed for service. The same Holy Spirit who led Jesus Christ in His movements here on earth is ready to lead us today. The same Holy Spirit who taught Jesus and imparted to Him wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, and knowledge, and the fear of the Lord is here to teach us.

Jesus Christ is our example (1 John ii.6), "the first born among many brethren" (Romans. viii.29). Whatever He accomplished through the Holy Spirit is for us to emulate as we take up our cross of God's choosing today.
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Amen, we so often forget the Holy Spirit's importance in our lives. He is not an "it or thing", He is God living within the heart and soul of every true believer. He is the Comforter promised by Jesus, The third part of the Holy Trinity.

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Nov 29, 2019 21:19:30   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I am having difficulty finding a source that states Elohim is a tri-plural noun....

Before I continue, could you provide one?


https://www.nas.org/blogs/dicta/ask_a_scholar_what_does_yhwh_elohim_mean

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Nov 29, 2019 22:37:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Fodaoson wrote:
https://www.nas.org/blogs/dicta/ask_a_scholar_what_does_yhwh_elohim_mean


Hi Fodaoson...

Glad you see you found the Religious section...

Thanks for the link...

Which part of it is referring to the grammatical usage of Elohim meaning Tri-pluralism?

Elohim is a plural noun... But how is it tri-plural?

Seems that it can be used to refer to any number of "gods"...

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Nov 30, 2019 01:17:55   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Fodaoson...

Glad you see you found the Religious section...

Thanks for the link...

Which part of it is referring to the grammatical usage of Elohim meaning Tri-pluralism?

Elohim is a plural noun... But how is it tri-plural?

Seems that it can be used to refer to any number of "gods"...


I don’t believe The trinity is an old Testament idea expressed by Elohim. The Trinity was revealed when Jesus was incarnated and He taught of sending the Holy Spirit. The clearest mention of the manifestation of the Trinity is found Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14,

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Nov 30, 2019 01:46:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Fodaoson wrote:
I don’t believe The trinity is an old Testament idea expressed by Elohim. The Trinity was revealed when Jesus was incarnated and He taught of sending the Holy Spirit. The clearest mention of the manifestation of the Trinity is found Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14,


Thanks for clarifying...

I believe you'll be a great addition to this section

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Nov 30, 2019 09:07:33   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Where do you see either more than three, or less than three, named in total, interacting with each other, in actions that only God can perform?


Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hi Fodaoson...

Glad you see you found the Religious section...

Thanks for the link...

Which part of it is referring to the grammatical usage of Elohim meaning Tri-pluralism?

Elohim is a plural noun... But how is it tri-plural?

Seems that it can be used to refer to any number of "gods"...

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Nov 30, 2019 09:25:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
Where do you see either more than three, or less than three, named in total, interacting with each other, in actions that only God can perform?


Where do I see more than one?

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