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Has the World forgotten who brought down the Soviet Union and the Wall?
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Nov 6, 2019 18:09:47   #
Gatsby
 
I have not forgotten!

Have You?

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Nov 6, 2019 18:16:36   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Gatsby wrote:
I have not forgotten!

Have You?


We haven't forgotten and we still remember why. Far too many American youth want to erect a new c*******t wall here then call Trump's wall r****t.

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Nov 6, 2019 18:19:44   #
Hug
 
I would guess that at least half, or more, of Americans living today have no idea what the Soviet Union was about and never heard of the wall. That could make one want to cry because the lack of knowledge is part of our problem today.

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Nov 6, 2019 18:21:39   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Gatsby wrote:
I have not forgotten!

Have You?


I don't know all of 'em. The pilots and ground crew who ran the Berlin Airlift helped. The guys who stopped the NK on the Pusan Perimeter helped. Our instructors at the Interceptor Control School at Tyndall AFB helped. The guys who manned the radar sites on the Pinetree Line helped and 3/4 of them were Canadiens. There's too many of 'em to name. I think that the United States brought down the Soviet Union, and the Berlin Wall fell as a result. Who do you remember, who helped in that great effort?

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Nov 6, 2019 19:13:12   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
I don't know all of 'em. The pilots and ground crew who ran the Berlin Airlift helped. The guys who stopped the NK on the Pusan Perimeter helped. Our instructors at the Interceptor Control School at Tyndall AFB helped. The guys who manned the radar sites on the Pinetree Line helped and 3/4 of them were Canadiens. There's too many of 'em to name. I think that the United States brought down the Soviet Union, and the Berlin Wall fell as a result. Who do you remember, who helped in that great effort?
I don't know all of 'em. The pilots and ground c... (show quote)


Besides the people on the front line, the folks at home in the US who financed the Cold War (and it's hot outbreaks) also deserve a lot of credit.
As do the East Europeans who took the chance and rebelled when they saw the opportunity.

'Tear down this wall' was a good slogan and both Reagan and Gorbachov also deserve credit.

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Nov 6, 2019 20:10:30   #
Carol Kelly
 
Hug wrote:
I would guess that at least half, or more, of Americans living today have no idea what the Soviet Union was about and never heard of the wall. That could make one want to cry because the lack of knowledge is part of our problem today.


A large, very large, part of the problem!

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Nov 6, 2019 20:14:15   #
Carol Kelly
 
But now the Europeans have more problems...the EU, getting out is like trying to resign from the Mafia. Thank Merkel who grew up and was educated in East Germany.

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Nov 6, 2019 20:50:21   #
Seth
 
Hug wrote:
I would guess that at least half, or more, of Americans living today have no idea what the Soviet Union was about and never heard of the wall. That could make one want to cry because the lack of knowledge is part of our problem today.


And we only have the Democrat run education system to thank for that.

Why teach our young actual history or critical thinking when they can learn "more important" stuff like identity politics and social justice to help them navigate the challenges of their coming adulthood?

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Nov 7, 2019 08:10:36   #
Kevyn
 
Gatsby wrote:
I have not forgotten!

Have You?

Gorbachev of course.

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Nov 7, 2019 10:06:54   #
bahmer
 
padremike wrote:
We haven't forgotten and we still remember why. Far too many American youth want to erect a new c*******t wall here then call Trump's wall r****t.


Amen and Amen

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Nov 7, 2019 12:31:59   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
But now the Europeans have more problems...the EU, getting out is like trying to resign from the Mafia. Thank Merkel who grew up and was educated in East Germany.


Yeah, just like getting out of the Mafia. Getting out of the US is like that too. Just ask some of those southern states that tried that back in the 1860's.

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Nov 7, 2019 14:22:57   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Gatsby wrote:
I have not forgotten!

Have You?


The Messiah ended the Cold War 36 years ago and the world has forgotten. Psalm 31:12. "I am forgotten as a dead man out of mind: I am like a broken vessel". The pen is mightier than the sword. The Messiah gave a speech that pacified the former USSR. Zechariah 6:8. "...Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country". The Messiah can also take credit for the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. It was a natural progression of events.

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Nov 7, 2019 16:27:48   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
I don't know all of 'em. The pilots and ground crew who ran the Berlin Airlift helped. The guys who stopped the NK on the Pusan Perimeter helped. Our instructors at the Interceptor Control School at Tyndall AFB helped. The guys who manned the radar sites on the Pinetree Line helped and 3/4 of them were Canadiens. There's too many of 'em to name. I think that the United States brought down the Soviet Union, and the Berlin Wall fell as a result. Who do you remember, who helped in that great effort?
I don't know all of 'em. The pilots and ground c... (show quote)


Besides Ronald Reagan? The every day soviet civilians.

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Nov 7, 2019 18:56:23   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Seth wrote:
And we only have the Democrat run education system to thank for that.

Why teach our young actual history or critical thinking when they can learn "more important" stuff like identity politics and social justice to help them navigate the challenges of their coming adulthood?


How do Democrats run the "educational system?" The Constitution gives the Federal government no authority over education. Education is one of those things in the 9th and 10th amendments that are left to the states and the people. Back in the early 1960's, when there was fear that the Russians were beating us in space, the Republican Eisenhower administration got the National Defense Education Act (NDEA) passed. Defense is something the Feds do have authority over. The Feds would pay half of science equipment for schools. It seemed like a good idea at the time but with all that Federal money, the suppliers just jacked up the prices of everything so that now you can't run a school system with local taxes anymore. They don't even try to make education bills sound Constitutional anymore by putting "defense" in the title, and both Republicans and Democrats have come up with atrocities like "no Child Left Behind" etc.

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Nov 7, 2019 19:55:29   #
Seth
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
How do Democrats run the "educational system?" The Constitution gives the Federal government no authority over education. Education is one of those things in the 9th and 10th amendments that are left to the states and the people. Back in the early 1960's, when there was fear that the Russians were beating us in space, the Republican Eisenhower administration got the National Defense Education Act (NDEA) passed. Defense is something the Feds do have authority over. The Feds would pay half of science equipment for schools. It seemed like a good idea at the time but with all that Federal money, the suppliers just jacked up the prices of everything so that now you can't run a school system with local taxes anymore. They don't even try to make education bills sound Constitutional anymore by putting "defense" in the title, and both Republicans and Democrats have come up with atrocities like "no Child Left Behind" etc.
How do Democrats run the "educational system?... (show quote)


The teachers' unions, for one, pour money into local Democrat campaigns and as a result, a lot of ineffective teachers in Democrat run cities have their jobs and tenure protected.

The Department of Education, a federal and historically (since its inception under Jimmy Carter) Democrat dominated bureaucracy, sets guidelines with the authority to determine which cities and therefore school districts receive how much federal funding.

You can't seriously believe that any Republican/conservative would allow him/herself to be instrumental in replacing traditional American History curriculum with the identity politics based indoctrination, now "standard" of Howard Zinn.

In fact, our entire education system, from K through college, is geared more toward left wing indoctrination than actual education. This is not even remotely bipartisan, it is pure Democrat agenda.

A "well rounded" education these days doesn't produce much in the way of the "three R's" and critical thinking as it did when I went to school in the 1960s and early 1970s, but it sure produces a lot of well indoctrinated left thinkers.

Want more evidence? Do some research on what happens, more often than not, when any noted conservative arrives at a university as an invited speaker, vs when a Democrat does.

A population that is weak in critical thinking is the left's best friend, because it is more susceptible to propaganda.

Unfortunately, a bi-product of the current education system is America's low ranking among developed, and even undeveloped countries in quality of education, which is why so many medical, engineering and other breakthroughs are generally credited to people educated in India, China or other foreign countries.

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