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Lindsey Graham claims Trump is too incompetent to pull off a quid pro quo
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Nov 7, 2019 15:04:24   #
woodguru
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
You really should start thinking like an American instead of a Republican. It ain't the same party it used to be when guys like Ike, George Aiken, Wendell Wilkie, Dean Davis, Tom Dewey and Dick Nixon were the face of the Republican Party.

My grandma grew up believing that no politician would dare lie, she was so pissed off and disillusioned during watergate that "she could spit" as she said.

The country has lost touch with what is a political lie and what kind of lie is unacceptable. Clinton got impeached for lying about a blow job, not getting it.

Trump should have been impeached for lying about the payoff to his porn star. That was a different kind of lie, and it spun into lie after lie, which was worse, and we are still left with the crimes involved with where the money came from, which the DOJ is not looking into. And by the way, Cohen is in jail for his part of what was done for trump.

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Nov 7, 2019 17:15:10   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
[quote=Blade_Runner]I opened the link, I read it and I watched the video.

"The whole process is a joke. The whole idea that there’s a quid pro quo based on somebody changing their testimony presuming there was," Graham told reporters, adding that he had no plans of reading the transcript of Sondland's testimony, which was released on Tuesday.

"This is a political vendetta," Graham added. "What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine. It was incoherent. It depends on who you talk to; they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo."

"You just pick things you like," Graham said, apparently referencing the media. "Y’all h**e this guy, you want to get him impeached. I’m not buying into [House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.)] running a legitimate operation over there."


Quid pro quo, a 14th-century Latin term for "something for something," describes when two parties engage in a mutual agreement to exchange goods or services. ... In business and legal contexts, quid pro quo conveys that a good or service has been exchanged for something of equal value. In financial terms, a quid pro quo is a mutual agreement between parties that gives consideration to each member of the party in exchange for the goods or services which they have each benefited from receiving. It is similar to an exchange deal in which one company uses the services of another company in exchange for that business’s products. The literal meaning of “Quid Pro Quo” in Latin is “something for something”. The emphasis in a quid pro quo arrangement is on equal value of the goods or services offered by each party to the other.

The old quid pro quo is a fundamental tool in business and government relations.

How many years has Donald Trump engaged in business?[/quo
Opened, read, but here's your no quid pro quo. Meadows insisted the Volker and Sondland transcripts show President Trump "wanted to clean up corruption in Ukraine, and ensure taxpayer-funded aid wasn’t going to corrupt causes."

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Nov 7, 2019 18:13:22   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
woodguru wrote:
The language pertaining to mutual agreements is the relevant thing that makes what happened extortion.

The Ukraine did not want to be involved in anything that would affect the e******n, and testimony is coming out that supports this.

Trump wanted the president to make a public media announcement of what they would be investigating, before releasing military aid...meanwhile Russia was setting up for a tank assault on the eastern Ukraine.

Do you think Trump was aware of this, does it seem possible that Putin in a call around the same time was telling Trump to hold off aid, that he didn't want his tanks being hammered by US high tech anti tank weapons?

What trump did to the Ukraine holding up military aid against the wishes of congress, the state department, the pentagon, and intelligence stinks of treason against the enemy of our ally.
The language pertaining to mutual agreements is th... (show quote)


But treason has been redefined. It used to be defined in that silly old document called the Constitution of the United States as giving aid and comfort to an enemy or waging war against the US. It still says that in the Constitution but who cares about that. Treason is now any speech that hurts Trump's feelings.

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Nov 7, 2019 18:29:18   #
kemmer
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
Treason is now any speech that hurts Trump's feelings.

True. It all started at his first State of the Union when he said everyone not clapping for him was committing treason.

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