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Nov 7, 2019 22:04:19   #
rumitoid
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I hear an echo. Pay attention, rumi.


An echo is evil? I gave my answer in agreement and to be clear by enumeration.

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Nov 7, 2019 22:05:21   #
rumitoid
 
Rose42 wrote:
I didn’t ask because I was in doubt. I know the verses


Ah, but do you understand the implication of them?

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Nov 7, 2019 22:06:20   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Amen


Let the Wild Rumpus begin!

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Nov 7, 2019 22:14:07   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"I think that there is a possibility that you (slatten49) have fallen off the fence on the left side.."

Texacan! You have something there!
We need to help him to get on the right side of the fence.


I feel quite sure that his boots are fully stuck up to the top in the mud! I think he is a true liberal. At our age, we are who we are! His views on this President will not change. I am a conservative Christian and my views will always have to agree with Biblical t***hs and laws! I will never v**e for a candidate that won’t fight against the slaughter of the unborn or marriage of the same sex. I will fight to keep God in our country and the freedom to shout my belief in Him! They will attempt to take our right to own guns, one step at a time! Capitalism is being attacked! Etc. Etc. Ect. The devide between the view of what America should look like and what we stand for has never been so far apart. Prophecy coming true!

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Nov 7, 2019 22:20:17   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
God didn't write anything in the Bible that is "beyond the understanding of most mainstream Christians."

"Let he has ears to hear, hear, and he who has eyes to see, see." (Mark 4:9, 23).

Matthew 13:9-16 "For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."

"They have eyes to see but do not see, and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious house." (Mark 8:18)



rumitoid wrote:
Vital to that verse is this, and I hope you understand: "against such things there is no law." Profound! Deeply mysterious. Beyond the understanding of most mainstream Christianity.

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Nov 7, 2019 22:21:27   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Vital to that verse is this, and I hope you understand: "against such things there is no law." Profound! Deeply mysterious. Beyond the understanding of most mainstream Christianity.


It means Christians don’t need an external law to produce what pleases God if they walk in the Spirit. When they walk in the Spirit they will bare fruit. Unbelievers are under the moral law of the OT and condemned by it. They cannot be made righteous until they come to Christ.

Thats the short version.

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Nov 7, 2019 23:26:56   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Ah, but do you understand the implication of them?
You're dying to explain it all to us, aren't you?

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Nov 7, 2019 23:49:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
God didn't write anything in the Bible that is "beyond the understanding of most mainstream Christians."

"Let he has ears to hear, hear, and he who has eyes to see, see." (Mark 4:9, 23).

Matthew 13:9-16 "For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.' But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."

"They have eyes to see but do not see, and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious house." (Mark 8:18)
God didn't write anything in the Bible that is &qu... (show quote)


These verses support both your and Rumi's positions....

Who decides who is truly hearing and seeing?

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Nov 7, 2019 23:49:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
It means Christians don’t need an external law to produce what pleases God if they walk in the Spirit. When they walk in the Spirit they will bare fruit. Unbelievers are under the moral law of the OT and condemned by it. They cannot be made righteous until they come to Christ.

Thats the short version.


I enjoyed it....

It was rather clear

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Nov 7, 2019 23:51:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
I feel quite sure that his boots are fully stuck up to the top in the mud! I think he is a true liberal. At our age, we are who we are! His views on this President will not change. I am a conservative Christian and my views will always have to agree with Biblical t***hs and laws! I will never v**e for a candidate that won’t fight against the slaughter of the unborn or marriage of the same sex. I will fight to keep God in our country and the freedom to shout my belief in Him! They will attempt to take our right to own guns, one step at a time! Capitalism is being attacked! Etc. Etc. Ect. The devide between the view of what America should look like and what we stand for has never been so far apart. Prophecy coming true!
I feel quite sure that his boots are fully stuck u... (show quote)


His views on Trump make him a liberal?

You might be conflating liberals and progressives...

Don't think Slatten is a progressive... Though I could be wrong...

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Nov 8, 2019 01:18:42   #
PeterS
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
His views on Trump make him a liberal?

You might be conflating liberals and progressives...

Don't think Slatten is a progressive... Though I could be wrong...


Slatten is more a moderate. I'm a liberal and progressive. You also need to consider that a liberal by definition is progressive--is always seeking something new and better--just as a conservative by definition is regressive--that is, maintains current status quo or some past vision when life was better--Make American Great Again vs the current Trump saying of Keep America Great. The first is regressive and the second says maintaining status quo will keep us great.

You need to understand that there are a lot of conservatives and moderates who see Trump for who he is. That they are opposed to him doesn't make them liberal because when a conservative or moderate comes along they won't have any problem supporting them respectively...

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Nov 8, 2019 03:36:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
PeterS wrote:
Slatten is more a moderate. I'm a liberal and progressive. You also need to consider that a liberal by definition is progressive--is always seeking something new and better--just as a conservative by definition is regressive--that is, maintains current status quo or some past vision when life was better--Make American Great Again vs the current Trump saying of Keep America Great. The first is regressive and the second says maintaining status quo will keep us great.


New doesn't always equate with better...

Liberals are willing to embrace change for themselves...
Progressives force change on others...

Conservatism is in no way regressive...
It also embraces change.. But at a much slower and more careful pace...

My definitions....


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You need to understand that there are a lot of conservatives and moderates who see Trump for who he is. That they are opposed to him doesn't make them liberal because when a conservative or moderate comes along they won't have any problem supporting them respectively...


I have no doubt that there are conservatives and moderates who dislike Trump... Universal popularity is so rarely achieved (present company excluded of course )...

Yet far more embrace the platforms he is championing... Hence his e******n to POTUS...


It's good to discuss the way we define things...Brings clarity to the conversation

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Nov 8, 2019 03:43:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Slatten is more a moderate. I'm a liberal and progressive. You also need to consider that a liberal by definition is progressive--is always seeking something new and better--just as a conservative by definition is regressive--that is, maintains current status quo or some past vision when life was better--Make American Great Again vs the current Trump saying of Keep America Great. The first is regressive and the second says maintaining status quo will keep us great.

You need to understand that there are a lot of conservatives and moderates who see Trump for who he is. That they are opposed to him doesn't make them liberal because when a conservative or moderate comes along they won't have any problem supporting them respectively...
Slatten is more a moderate. I'm a liberal and prog... (show quote)
What’s the difference between a conservative and a progressive?

No. 1: Conservatives and progressives have different views about individuals and communities.

Conservatives ask: “What can I do for myself, my family, my community, and my fellow citizens?”

Progressives ask: “What is unfair?” “What am I owed?” “What has offended me today?” “What must my country do for me?”

The traditional American ethic of achievement gives way to the progressive ethic of aggrievement.

As opposed to a variety of individuals making up one American community, progressives seek to place individuals in a variety of competing communities. The first creates unity. The second, identity politics.

No 2.: Conservatives and progressives have different views about diversity and choice.

For progressives, different ethnicities and g****r identities are welcomed but a variety of opinions and ideas are not.

Just look at two areas of public life dominated by the left. On college campuses free speech is under attack. If you’re a conservative working at a social media company or using one of their platforms to share your views, you may find your job eliminated or your account deleted.

And when it comes to choice, progressives love the word, but they don’t want it to apply to our decisions on education, health care, and even how and where we live out our religious faith.

Conservatives take a different approach.

Parents, not the zip code they live in, should choose the school that is best for their child.

We all need health care, but we don’t all need the same kind or same amount. And while people should be free to live as they choose, no one should be forced to endorse or celebrate those choices if it violates their religious beliefs.

Conservatives say people should have choices. Progressives say one political solution fits all.

No. 3: Conservatives and progressives have a different view of “We the People.”

Whether it’s the Second Amendment, immigration, or putting limits on a******n, if we the people don’t pass laws progressives approve, they turn to judges, executive orders, and government bureaucrats behind closed doors to overturn the will of v**ers.

Wh**ever one may think about the wisdom of hiking the minimum wage, banning plastic straws, or removing controversial historical monuments, conservatives believe v**ers closest to the issues should be the ones making such decisions for their communities—not lawmakers in Washington or a panel of judges fives states away.

To sum it up, conservatives believe in individual rights, not special rights. Conservatives believe in allowing Texas to be Texas and Vermont to be Vermont. And conservatives believe we the people can v**e with our feet about where we want to live and what laws we want to live under.

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Nov 8, 2019 03:56:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What’s the difference between a conservative and a progressive?

No. 1: Conservatives and progressives have different views about individuals and communities.

Conservatives ask: “What can I do for myself, my family, my community, and my fellow citizens?”

Progressives ask: “What is unfair?” “What am I owed?” “What has offended me today?” “What must my country do for me?”

The traditional American ethic of achievement gives way to the progressive ethic of aggrievement.

As opposed to a variety of individuals making up one American community, progressives seek to place individuals in a variety of competing communities. The first creates unity. The second, identity politics.

No 2.: Conservatives and progressives have different views about diversity and choice.

For progressives, different ethnicities and g****r identities are welcomed but a variety of opinions and ideas are not.

Just look at two areas of public life dominated by the left. On college campuses free speech is under attack. If you’re a conservative working at a social media company or using one of their platforms to share your views, you may find your job eliminated or your account deleted.

And when it comes to choice, progressives love the word, but they don’t want it to apply to our decisions on education, health care, and even how and where we live out our religious faith.

Conservatives take a different approach.

Parents, not the zip code they live in, should choose the school that is best for their child.

We all need health care, but we don’t all need the same kind or same amount. And while people should be free to live as they choose, no one should be forced to endorse or celebrate those choices if it violates their religious beliefs.

Conservatives say people should have choices. Progressives say one political solution fits all.

No. 3: Conservatives and progressives have a different view of “We the People.”

Whether it’s the Second Amendment, immigration, or putting limits on a******n, if we the people don’t pass laws progressives approve, they turn to judges, executive orders, and government bureaucrats behind closed doors to overturn the will of v**ers.

Wh**ever one may think about the wisdom of hiking the minimum wage, banning plastic straws, or removing controversial historical monuments, conservatives believe v**ers closest to the issues should be the ones making such decisions for their communities—not lawmakers in Washington or a panel of judges fives states away.

To sum it up, conservatives believe in individual rights, not special rights. Conservatives believe in allowing Texas to be Texas and Vermont to be Vermont. And conservatives believe we the people can v**e with our feet about where we want to live and what laws we want to live under.
What’s the difference between a conservative and a... (show quote)


It liked these...

And I agree with them...

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Nov 8, 2019 04:19:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
More music to take the edge off the intrusions.

The Brooklyn Tabernacle choir is one of America's finest. Carol Cymbala, wife of pastor Jim Cymbala, is the choir director. Many of the singers were former drug addicts, homeless folks, and petty criminals. They were either rescued from the streets by a Tabernacle member or found their own way there.

These beautiful people are a highly unlikely ensemble, a mixture of ethnic and economic backgrounds, in the heart of a city synonymous with coldness and decay. The choir is made up of attorneys and street people, nurses and ex-crack addicts, a unique cross section of humanity. Pastor Cymbala explains: "None of us would have met if it weren't for Christ. Our backgrounds are just too diverse. But all of us have one thing in common: we have all been lifted up and saved. So the Choir sings"not about a theological position"but about what has happened to them. It's not a theory; it's a reality."are of all races.

Praise Him

I am not ashamed

Days of Elijah

A lengthy playlist is at the right if y'all care to hear more.

One singer's testimony

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