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Oct 21, 2019 02:43:51   #
Seth
 
Ferrous wrote:
The problem is not I*****l A***ns (Which is now an illegal slur) but radical Judges legislating from their Bench.

It is now illegal to break-up Homeless Encampments unless the Municipality can offer them beds and secure places to keep their belongings.

Rumitoid (sic) is correct when he identifies s Classes of Homeless.

1st is those that have fallen on hard times and need a leg-up to get their live together. Those are the ones volunteering at the shelters, taking classes, working jobs and soon are able to enter back into the working Society.

2nd are those that are unable to manage their lives and require a place that can take care of them. Reagan as Governor in California in 1967signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, which ended the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time. . The Communities were suppose to take care of these Mental Patients, now in their streets. These people need help.

3rd, is we have those that are troubled by drug addiction, alcoholism, and/or no restraints on their lifestyle. These are the ones that need supervision the most.

The longer encampments exist is one area, the worse they get with. Human garbage, Excrement, and a magnet to grow bigger and bigger. That is the problem that Las Angeles and other big cities are experiencing. This is the problem that are communities are having now.

Maybe it's time for the Federal Government to get involved with Legislation that allows them to clean up these messes and provide Clean, Safe, Settlements for these people in need. Separate these three kinds of Homeless and give them the necessary distinct kind of help they need?

Yes, that means that some of them might be held against their will for the safety of them and others.

Time we put the needs of our citizens in front of all the i*****l a***ns flooding into our country and using our Humanitarian and Social Funding.
The problem is not I*****l A***ns (Which is now an... (show quote)


The largest obstacle would be that homeless people are a cash cow for a lot of non-profits as well as an employment guarantee for government social services agencies, and in the latter case, their part of the swamp would undoubtedly do all they can to gum up the works.

That's probably why the undomiciled population continues to grow rather than shrink: everybody whose livelihoods revolve around "helping" the homeless has an interest in maintaining the status quo.

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Oct 21, 2019 03:25:37   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Just like how the I*****l A***ns keeping those that use them for their own personal gains while proudly echoing the Humanitarian Good they are doing.

A whole second and third class group of non-citizens dependent on their dolling out the aid and keeping the status quo, safe.

Our Immigration System could be fixed if the politicians really wanted to fix it.

"The Insanity that has Befallen Us"

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Oct 21, 2019 07:57:14   #
Big Kahuna
 
rumitoid wrote:
What do you suggest to do about the homeless? Make sure they don't get in the way of well-to-do families getting ice cream?


I hear that Yang (One of the crew of 20 running for pres.) wants to give every homeless vagrant a monthly stipend of $1,000. He also is insinuating that anyone who v**es demonrat should also get a monthly $1,000. That is illegal unless Streisand, Cher, Fonda, Madonna, Midler, Milano, DiNero, Jolie, Damon, Clooney, DeCaprio and the dem party offer to sell their homes and worldly possessions and live on skid row (will never happen of course)

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Oct 21, 2019 08:07:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
What do you suggest to do about the homeless? Make sure they don't get in the way of well-to-do families getting ice cream?


Lets get them jobs!

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Oct 21, 2019 10:24:21   #
waltmoreno
 
Ferrous wrote:
No, keep letting them live in filth, and crime while the Dims seem to put C*****e-C****e above the Homeless well being.

Rather than free tuition for i******s, why not try and start funding housing for the homeless. In California, Reagan as Governor closed all the State Hospitals that use to house people that couldn't make it on their own. In times of emergencies, FEMA houses hundreds of thousands of displaced people. Dealing with the homeless , I guess it just isn't high enough on politicians mind.

Your dig about Well-to-do families shows your ignorance. We all have used that Bike trail, young and old, rich and poor. This Homeless problem effects everyone and all you do is complain without offering any helpful thought... I think your Rumitoid (sic) has caused swelling, pain, stiffness, and loss of function in your brain.
No, keep letting them live in filth, and crime whi... (show quote)


Spot on Ferrous! My son used to bike that same trail when he was in the Boy Scouts, along with the entire troop. Sadly, that's another era, likely never to be seen again.

Time to bring Sheriff Joe's innovations into the picture. He's the infamous Joe Arpaio in Phoenix AZ, best known for his tent cities for housing local prisoners.
If the Boise federal court said they have to be offered alternative housing, then communities should emulate Sheriff Joe's solutions.
Sheriff Joe housed inmates in sweltering tents in Phoenix included serving inmates Nutraloaf and edibles recovered from food rescue and limiting meals to twice daily. He also banned his wards from possessing "sexually explicit material" including Playboy magazine. The ban was challenged on First Amendment grounds, but was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station he called KJOE,[36] broadcasting classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, patriotic music, and educational programming five days a week, four hours each day.

And as long as we have to house the homeless, besides learning from Sheriff Joe, we could also take a lesson about dealing with the homeless from the 21 year old girl from Texas who wrote,

"Put me in charge . . . "

Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza…


…then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we’ll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats and piercings, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property (tents) in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, wh**ever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."

Before you write that I’ve violated someone’s rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money (and housing), accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn’t that long ago that taking someone else’s money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people’s mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND, while you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can V**E! Yes that is correct. For you to v**e would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from v****g while you are receiving a government welfare check. If you want to v**e, then get a job."

We need the SCOTUS to sign onto these homelessness solutions. I think we'd all be surprised at how quickly the homelessness problem would disappear.

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Oct 21, 2019 10:51:08   #
Seth
 
waltmoreno wrote:
Spot on Ferrous! My son used to bike that same trail when he was in the Boy Scouts, along with the entire troop. Sadly, that's another era, likely never to be seen again.

Time to bring Sheriff Joe's innovations into the picture. He's the infamous Joe Arpaio in Phoenix AZ, best known for his tent cities for housing local prisoners.
If the Boise federal court said they have to be offered alternative housing, then communities should emulate Sheriff Joe's solutions.
Sheriff Joe housed inmates in sweltering tents in Phoenix included serving inmates Nutraloaf and edibles recovered from food rescue and limiting meals to twice daily. He also banned his wards from possessing "sexually explicit material" including Playboy magazine. The ban was challenged on First Amendment grounds, but was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. In February 2007, Arpaio instituted an in-house radio station he called KJOE,[36] broadcasting classical music, opera, Frank Sinatra hits, patriotic music, and educational programming five days a week, four hours each day.

And as long as we have to house the homeless, besides learning from Sheriff Joe, we could also take a lesson about dealing with the homeless from the 21 year old girl from Texas who wrote,

"Put me in charge . . . "

Put me in charge of food stamps. I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho’s, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza…


…then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we’ll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats and piercings, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property (tents) in a clean and good state of repair. Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, wh**ever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."

Before you write that I’ve violated someone’s rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money (and housing), accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self-esteem," consider that it wasn’t that long ago that taking someone else’s money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self-esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people’s mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND, while you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can V**E! Yes that is correct. For you to v**e would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from v****g while you are receiving a government welfare check. If you want to v**e, then get a job."

We need the SCOTUS to sign onto these homelessness solutions. I think we'd all be surprised at how quickly the homelessness problem would disappear.
Spot on Ferrous! My son used to bike that same tra... (show quote)


SoCal is full of homeless people in their twenties who seem to believe it's okay to live off the government, spend the day smoking pot or using meth and panhandling.

If I were in charge of welfare or food stamps distribution, the requirement for any young person like that to qualify would be a DD-214 with the word "Honorable" on it. Unfortunately, the socialist system in California throws the taxpayer's hard-earned money around like confetti, and hands out social security, which is on the federal taxpayer's dime, to any lazy young person that comes along.

Take a walk along the Venice boardwalk any day of the week and you get a panoramic view of hundreds of meth heads and stoners, most in their 20s and early 30s, who wouldn't know a W-2 or a DD-214 from a rent receipt or utility bill, and even with the strong seabreeze, there is the added attraction of air that smells like stale urine.

This is a product of Democrat politicians in their finest hour.

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Oct 21, 2019 11:13:29   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Seth wrote:
SoCal is full of homeless people in their twenties who seem to believe it's okay to live off the government, spend the day smoking pot or using meth and panhandling.

If I were in charge of welfare or food stamps distribution, the requirement for any young person like that to qualify would be a DD-214 with the word "Honorable" on it. Unfortunately, the socialist system in California throws the taxpayer's hard-earned money around like confetti, and hands out social security, which is on the federal taxpayer's dime, to any lazy young person that comes along.

Take a walk along the Venice boardwalk any day of the week and you get a panoramic view of hundreds of meth heads and stoners, most in their 20s and early 30s, who wouldn't know a W-2 or a DD-214 from a rent receipt or utility bill, and even with the strong seabreeze, there is the added attraction of air that smells like stale urine.

This is a product of Democrat politicians in their finest hour.
SoCal is full of homeless people in their twenties... (show quote)


Totally!

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Oct 21, 2019 12:07:17   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Ferrous wrote:
Interesting article in the local Newspaper highlighted the problems that we are facing in dealing with the homeless.

Before, when a homeless camp became too troublesome, the local authorities would break up the encampment. That policy has changed since;

"Authorities are now required to offer a shelter bed to each homeless person and storage for personal belongings before clearing a camp within city limits.

That legal curb stems from a closely watched September 2018 federal appeals court ruling, which deemed Boise, Idaho’s anti-camping rule in violation of the Eighth Amendment’s protection against cruel and unusual punishment. Boise has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to weigh in, and a final decision from the nation’s high court could redefine the legal landscape of homeless camping across the nation.

In the meantime, Santa Rosa and Sonoma County have agreed to abide by a key part of the Boise ruling: Homeless people within city limits can’t be rousted by city police officers or county park rangers for camping illegally unless they’re first offered a bed and storage for their personal belongings."

Wow, no more rousting the squatters and cleaning up after them.

Here's is a video taken by a young family that use to use this bike trail to ride the seven miles to the next little town to visit their favorite Ice Cream Parlor. A biking trip the children use to really enjoy on a nice Saturday afternoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVajMlYPCmw&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2t2dSwur8DW5_-PUqT6pT_49p7DI8vVp3_zxqtPFYAhqpfJVd4xTYiaY4

The problems we see in the large city are the same problems that small towns and cities are experiencing all over our Country since the "September 2018 federal appeals court ruling, which deemed Boise, Idaho’s anti-camping rule in violation of the Eighth Amendment’s protection against cruel and unusual punishment."
Interesting article in the local Newspaper highlig... (show quote)


How about they make them clean up their act and get a job instead of giving them welfare checks and food stamps and free needles which to me is aiding and encouraging their habits I do not feel sorry for them but for the communities that have to deal with them and their bull***t

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Oct 21, 2019 14:25:12   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bggamers wrote:
How about they make them clean up their act and get a job instead of giving them welfare checks and food stamps and free needles which to me is aiding and encouraging their habits I do not feel sorry for them but for the communities that have to deal with them and their bull***t



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Oct 21, 2019 14:56:17   #
jwrevagent
 
Seth wrote:
The Democrats never, ever solve problems, they use them as campaign fodder, like they've been doing to their black constituency for just over a half century, while in reality they could care less about the suffering of those whom they "champion."

As in the case of Marxists, the common man and woman are simply meat to be used as needed.


"could care less" actually means they care at least somewhat. "Couldn't care less" is probably the more accurate term. Sorry, just that I hear that misstatement a lot, and along with "continuing on" is irritating. You either "continue", or "go on", but to say "continue on" is simply either lazy or ignorant or perhaps both, In any case, it is redundant. There! Whew! Got that off my chest! But I agree with the sentiment.

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Oct 21, 2019 14:56:40   #
waltmoreno
 
bggamers wrote:
How about they make them clean up their act and get a job instead of giving them welfare checks and food stamps and free needles which to me is aiding and encouraging their habits I do not feel sorry for them but for the communities that have to deal with them and their bull***t


It’s elementary that when you subsidize something, you get more of it. I don’t know how many millions of dollars SF has thrown at the homeless but their problem is getting worse.
Hmmmmm.

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Oct 21, 2019 15:58:17   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have no problem with it...

But I have never taken issue with derogatory terms as long as they are aptly applied...

It might surprise you, but the term Canuck was originally considered derogatory...


I thought it was, but when I saw you using it... Wetback, these days it isn't derogatory back when Eisenhower was president he had a project wetback.

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Oct 21, 2019 17:07:13   #
debeda
 
Ferrous wrote:
No, keep letting them live in filth, and crime while the Dims seem to put C*****e-C****e above the Homeless well being.

Rather than free tuition for i******s, why not try and start funding housing for the homeless. In California, Reagan as Governor closed all the State Hospitals that use to house people that couldn't make it on their own. In times of emergencies, FEMA houses hundreds of thousands of displaced people. Dealing with the homeless , I guess it just isn't high enough on politicians mind.

Your dig about Well-to-do families shows your ignorance. We all have used that Bike trail, young and old, rich and poor. This Homeless problem effects everyone and all you do is complain without offering any helpful thought... I think your Rumitoid (sic) has caused swelling, pain, stiffness, and loss of function in your brain.
No, keep letting them live in filth, and crime whi... (show quote)



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Oct 21, 2019 17:08:28   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are right. My dig was unfair. It is an issue that needs dedicated attention by lawmakers of every persuasion and some solutions. It is dire.

I ran an Emergency Homeless Shelter for a few years; it was funded by the Lutheran Church. We provided one night's food and shelter, and in the morning ten dollars in gas. (This was 2000.) But all had to be cleared at the local police station to stay. No i*****l i*******ts or criminals. Maybe a third that showed up at the door of the Samaritan House for help left without help seemingly because of the need to register with law enforcement. Another third was simply down on their luck and looking to get somewhere to start over. And the final third, though it may be less than that, were people who liked the lifestyle. Many saw it as freedom. I had more than a few tell me that I was in bondage to the system.

We can't cure homelessness. But we can make an effort to identify and aid struggling families and individuals that simply need a leg up and not a life of assistance. All programs need a definite expiration date. They also need a flexible work/training program. Mental Health workers need to meet with all applicants. Life Planners to help them see problems, solutions, and opportunities, helping them get wh**ever paperwork they need, such as birth certificates and licenses and SSI, to function on their own.
You are right. My dig was unfair. It is an issue t... (show quote)


Well said 👏👏👏

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Oct 21, 2019 17:10:30   #
debeda
 
Ferrous wrote:
The problem is not I*****l A***ns (Which is now an illegal slur) but radical Judges legislating from their Bench.

It is now illegal to break-up Homeless Encampments unless the Municipality can offer them beds and secure places to keep their belongings.

Rumitoid (sic) is correct when he identifies s Classes of Homeless.

1st is those that have fallen on hard times and need a leg-up to get their live together. Those are the ones volunteering at the shelters, taking classes, working jobs and soon are able to enter back into the working Society.

2nd are those that are unable to manage their lives and require a place that can take care of them. Reagan as Governor in California in 1967signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act, which ended the practice of institutionalizing patients against their will, or for indefinite amounts of time. . The Communities were suppose to take care of these Mental Patients, now in their streets. These people need help.

3rd, is we have those that are troubled by drug addiction, alcoholism, and/or no restraints on their lifestyle. These are the ones that need supervision the most.

The longer encampments exist is one area, the worse they get with. Human garbage, Excrement, and a magnet to grow bigger and bigger. That is the problem that Las Angeles and other big cities are experiencing. This is the problem that are communities are having now.

Maybe it's time for the Federal Government to get involved with Legislation that allows them to clean up these messes and provide Clean, Safe, Settlements for these people in need. Separate these three kinds of Homeless and give them the necessary distinct kind of help they need?

Yes, that means that some of them might be held against their will for the safety of them and others.

Time we put the needs of our citizens in front of all the i*****l a***ns flooding into our country and using our Humanitarian and Social Funding.
The problem is not I*****l A***ns (Which is now an... (show quote)



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