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Oct 20, 2019 19:42:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Navigator wrote:
Your handle indicates a military background; if so you know that absolutely, positively Turkey was not going to stay out of Syria for much longer. The Kurds thought by helping us they might get a semi-autonomous region like in Iraq; again, that was never gonna happen and if any of our military or state department types made any such noises to them that was totally wrong; it never was ours to promise and Turkey and Syria have always and will continue to be dead set against it. Eventually, 50 spec ops guys would have changed from a being trip wire to becoming a sacrifice. I am 100% in favor of this move getting our guys out of there; the Kurds will just have to wait a while (a long while) for Kurdistan.
Your handle indicates a military background; if so... (show quote)


Very good!

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Oct 20, 2019 19:45:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
They absolutely would have stayed out had we had a president that stood firm and told them they would suffer losses of the equipment they moved over the border.

Trump has serious conflicts of interest with Erdogan...period


Definitely not one who has others lives in their hands or relied upon others for the protection of yours. Go get a slurpy and STFU.

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Oct 20, 2019 19:45:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Gatsby wrote:
As Democrats always contend, If even One American Life was saved, it was worth it!


Dems would never worry about a life!

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Oct 20, 2019 22:47:21   #
at41
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Like what?


Over one million dollars in royalties from the two Trump towers in Istanbul and other lucrative deals in Turkey. In 2019 Trump said his business interests in Turkey could cause him to have conflicts in his dealings with them.

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Oct 20, 2019 23:12:36   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Definitely not one who has others lives in their hands or relied upon others for the protection of yours. Go get a slurpy and STFU.


I'd shut up for a Slurpee.



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Oct 20, 2019 23:14:13   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
They absolutely would have stayed out had we had a president that stood firm and told them they would suffer losses of the equipment they moved over the border.

Trump has serious conflicts of interest with Erdogan...period


Not as serious as your conflicts of interest with the t***h.

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Oct 21, 2019 03:37:43   #
Kevyn
 
Gatsby wrote:
Does anyone remember what our goal was, when we went into Syria?

Initially we supported the academics who were fighting for their freedom from a brutal dictator, sadly we did not provide a no fly zone as we should have and the Arab spring freedom fighters were driven out by the regime and ISIL. The small force of our people on the ground then allied with our closest and most dependable allies in the region the Kurds to fight ISIL and keep Assad and the Russians in check, this worked well with a very small force and air support.

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Oct 21, 2019 12:36:25   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Kevyn wrote:
Initially we supported the academics who were fighting for their freedom from a brutal dictator,


Lie number one...initially, Bush was to set the stage for WWIII and the hag was to be the finisher.

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sadly we did not provide a no fly zone as we should have


Lie number two...We shouldn't have been there and a no fly zone would have triggered their war.

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and the Arab spring freedom fighters were driven out by the regime and ISIL...


Lie number three...The "regime" is the legitimate government of Syria whether you like it or not and despite what they say Assad was NOT persecuting minorities...such as Christians.

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The small force of our people on the ground then allied with our closest and most dependable allies in the region the Kurds


Lie number four...Kev, just go back and look at the brief history of our relationship with the "Kurds". They sensed an opportunity and allied themselves with us, even though we had no fkn reason to be there except to start a bigger conflict.

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to fight ISIL and keep Assad and the Russians in check, this worked well with a very small force and air support.


It worked??? OMG!

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Oct 21, 2019 13:29:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
BigMike wrote:
It worked??? OMG!



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Oct 21, 2019 16:01:02   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
But for Trump, how many Mattis's or others like him would have started WWIII by engaging Turkey in a war??

Guys like Mattis need to be on a tight leash. They have greatness but, . . . .


Too many. Bolton is another.

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Oct 21, 2019 16:55:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Too many. Bolton is another.


I believe it! And to think they were claiming that Trump would start another war to cover his butt!

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Oct 21, 2019 17:14:38   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
nwtk2007 wrote:


Beyond delusional.

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Oct 21, 2019 19:24:42   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
BigMike wrote:
Beyond delusional.


Kevy wouldn't know his pie hole from a hole in the ground.

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Oct 22, 2019 05:24:50   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
woodguru wrote:
They absolutely would have stayed out had we had a president that stood firm and told them they would suffer losses of the equipment they moved over the border.

Trump has serious conflicts of interest with Erdogan...period


Im sorry but this is not our country they were there as supervisors and to help keep open communication and talks with other kurd communities.The Kurds had training from our people they had American weapons there was no reason to keep our people there our people would not have made a difference except to give you something else to whine and cry about when they died which is what would have happened

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Oct 22, 2019 12:27:31   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
bggamers wrote:
Im sorry but this is not our country they were there as supervisors and to help keep open communication and talks with other kurd communities.The Kurds had training from our people they had American weapons there was no reason to keep our people there our people would not have made a difference except to give you something else to whine and cry about when they died which is what would have happened


He wouldn't have whined about that. He wouldn't care a whit except for the tragedy's value as a reason to criticize Trump for not leaving earlier.

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