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Oct 11, 2019 10:30:00   #
debeda
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Maybe but I don't think it will change the way they report on him so he might as well just keep on being himself. Maybe you're right. I don't know. He keeps snatching victory out of the jaws of defeat using his current methodology.



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Oct 11, 2019 10:30:41   #
debeda
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Trump is a NYC street fighter, not afraid to get down in the gutter with the dims and Lame Stream Media. DJT is simply defending himself, his family not only with his tweets, statements and news conferences. Some of the things said about him by leftoids are repugnant, demeaning and insulting. He's simply defending himself, family and the country! I sincerely hope he keeps it up and isn't defeated by a dimocrat inspired 'witch hunt' perpetuated by the dims~


YEP

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Oct 11, 2019 11:20:03   #
Idaho
 
Another thing to consider - in their frantic efforts to sink President Trump, the Dems are exposing all sorts of dirty tricks not seen before

Part of cleaning the swamp has to be putting in place legislation that makes those particular dirty tricks impossible to perpetuate going forward.

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Oct 11, 2019 11:50:19   #
debeda
 
Idaho wrote:
Another thing to consider - in their frantic efforts to sink President Trump, the Dems are exposing all sorts of dirty tricks not seen before

Part of cleaning the swamp has to be putting in place legislation that makes those particular dirty tricks impossible to perpetuate going forward.


YES

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Oct 11, 2019 13:42:51   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Jakebrake wrote:
The Democrats won’t permit the orderly t******r of p***r that should have occurred after their 2016 loss.

The term “constitutional crisis” has been tossed around so often since President Trump took office that it now has little meaning in our public discourse. But regardless of what we call the current impasse between the executive branch and the House of Representatives pursuant to the “impeachment inquiry” launched by the latter, our government now faces a genuine crisis whose magnitude the nation hasn’t seen for more than 150 years. Americans have long celebrated the orderly t******r of p***r that is unique to our form of government. The Democrats, however, have abandoned that tradition by refusing to accept the outcome of the 2016 e******n.

Having pursued a policy of t***sparency and shown extraordinary forbearance with the antics of House Democrats only to be declared “illegitimate” for his trouble, President Trump has had enough. Tuesday, Counsel to the President Pat Cipollone put House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on notice that Trump would no longer allow their machinations to distract him from his normal duties. Pointing out that the ersatz impeachment inquiry concocted by Pelosi and her accomplices was constitutionally invalid, in brazen violation of basic due process, and contrary to the separation of powers doctrine, Cipollone wrote that the president would ignore it henceforth:

[T]he President cannot allow your constitutionally illegitimate proceedings to distract him and those in the Executive Branch from their work on behalf of the American people. The President has a country to lead. The American people elected him to do this job, and he remains focused on fulfilling his promises.… We hope that, in light of the many deficiencies we have identified in your proceedings, you will abandon the current invalid efforts to pursue an impeachment inquiry and join the President in focusing on the many important goals that matter to the American people.

Speaker Pelosi responded to the president’s refusal to cooperate further with the farce by releasing a bizarre statement declaring that the letter itself is somehow unlawful and that the refusal to respond to illegitimate requests from a coequal branch of government constitutes obstruction:

This letter is manifestly wrong, and is simply another unlawful attempt to hide the facts of the Trump Administration’s brazen efforts to pressure foreign powers to intervene in the 2020 e******ns. Despite the White House’s stonewalling, we see a growing body of evidence that shows that President Trump abused his office.… The White House should be warned that continued efforts to hide the t***h of the President’s abuse of power from the American people will be regarded as further evidence of obstruction. Mr. President, you are not above the law. You will be held accountable.

Never mind that President Trump has been investigated relentlessly by the Democrats and their surrogates since he was elected, and no credible evidence has been found that he has abused his office. Yet Madam Speaker gratuitously insists that he has committed all manner of offenses, and she has arbitrarily launched an “impeachment inquiry” without authorization by the full House — the first time this has been done in the history of the republic. The House has initiated impeachment inquiries against three presidents: Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton. All were authorized by a v**e of the full House. As the White House letter points out:

Your inquiry is constitutionally invalid and a violation of due process. In the history of our Nation, the House of Representatives has never attempted to launch an impeachment inquiry against the President without a majority of the House taking political accountability for that decision by v****g to authorize such a dramatic constitutional step. Here, House leadership claims to have initiated the gravest inter-branch conflict contemplated under our Constitution by means of nothing more than a press conference at which the Speaker of the House simply announced an “official impeachment inquiry.”

This is by no means the only defect in the Democratic inquiry process noted in the White House letter. In addition to their refusal to hold the House v**e that would legitimately authorize an impeachment inquiry, the Democrats have denied the president basic due process rights such as the ability to confront the witnesses testifying against him, the right to call his own witnesses, and to have the assistance of counsel. They are also deposing witnesses in secret. In essence they are denying the president fundamental rights guaranteed all Americans by the Constitution. The White House letter describes this egregious behavior thus:

Despite Speaker Pelosi’s commitment to “treat the President with fairness,” the Committees have not established any procedures affording the President even the most basic protections demanded by due process under the Constitution.… These due process rights are not a matter of discretion for the Committees to dispense with at will. To the contrary, they are constitutional requirements. The Supreme Court has recognized that due process protections apply to all congressional investigations. Indeed, it has been recognized that the Due Process Clause applies to impeachment proceedings.

Democrats frequently speak of “rights,” yet they are unwilling to recognize those of Donald Trump — as if the president of the United States is not entitled to the protections guaranteed every American by the Constitution. Nor are they willing to live up to their own rhetoric on impeachment. Jerrold Nadler, the Democratic Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, once stood up in the House and stated, “There must never be a narrowly v**ed impeachment or an impeachment supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by the other.” Neither Nadler nor his fellow Democrats seem to remember that high-minded principle.

These Democrats are so determined to bring President Trump down they refuse to acquiesce in the orderly t******r of p***r that the vast majority 0f Americans expected after the 2016 e******n. Thus, we have a congressional impeachment inquiry declared illegitimate by a p**********l administration that has already been deemed illegitimate by the very Democrats who are carrying out the investigation without following their own House rules or the Constitution. To yours truly, that looks a lot like a genuine constitutional crisis.

https://spectator.org/we-now-have-a-genuine-constitutional-crisis/?utm_source=American%20Spectator%20Emails&utm_campaign=c608e14943-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_10_02_50&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_797a38d487-c608e14943-104385953
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Excellent Post!! Spot on!! Thank you!

Semper Fi

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Oct 11, 2019 13:54:09   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
Larai wrote:
Excellent Post!! Spot on!! Thank you!

Semper Fi


Thank you and SEMPER FI back atcha Larai~

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Oct 11, 2019 13:57:17   #
woodguru
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
I wish Trump would just run the country and continue to campaign. He’s a magnificent speaker and, a brilliant and entertaining speaker, but he should allow his attorneys to speak for him in most matters. Less conflict. Does anyone agree?


I agree it is perhaps the only thing he is good at, figuring out complicated politics not at all, he doesn't have the attention span for it. When he gets attorneys that try to tell him what he can't do he fires them. He wants them to act like he is dealing with personal litigation and lawsuits and that is not how it works. He has to follow laws and that is not something Trump does well.

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Oct 11, 2019 14:01:02   #
woodguru
 
Idaho wrote:
Another thing to consider - in their frantic efforts to sink President Trump, the Dems are exposing all sorts of dirty tricks not seen before

Part of cleaning the swamp has to be putting in place legislation that makes those particular dirty tricks impossible to perpetuate going forward.


But the GOP isn't? They scrapped the rules when they refused to allow Obama any supreme court justice, and it's scrapped as far as the process of seating good judges. The normal process would involve choices from both sides and a bipartisan consensus, they would be rated and scored by the BAR, not picked from a hard right field that the federalist society came up with.

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Oct 11, 2019 14:12:16   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO
 
woodguru wrote:
I agree it is perhaps the only thing he is good at, figuring out complicated politics not at all, he doesn't have the attention span for it. When he gets attorneys that try to tell him what he can't do he fires them. He wants them to act like he is dealing with personal litigation and lawsuits and that is not how it works. He has to follow laws and that is not something Trump does well.


This is where you are wrong woodsie. President Trump has been running circles around the dims for 3 years. They have thrown everything at him except a nuclear bomb, and the man always seems to come out on TOP! You lefties are petrified he will be re-elected, thus the never ending witch hunts by Shifty Schitt & nitwit Nadler with the impeachment bulls**t, attempting to remove him from office prior the the 20' e******n. It's the only play you leftoids have~

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Oct 11, 2019 14:21:49   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Jakebrake wrote:
This is where you are wrong woodsie. President Trump has been running circles around the dims for 3 years. They have thrown everything at him except a nuclear bomb, and the man always seems to come out on TOP! You lefties are petrified he will be re-elected, thus the never ending witch hunts by Shifty Schitt & nitwit Nadler with the impeachment bulls**t, attempting to remove him from office prior the the 20' e******n. It's the only play you leftoids have~


I agree, and said lefties have admitted as much quite a few actually.. have stated the only way we will win is if they can Unseat the Duly Elected president by impeaching him... If they'd of done this the right way, through the b****t box vs S******n!! Because while the president is sitting, this is a c**p.. s******n at best, Treason at worst...They know they have NOTHING to offer the American people that won't come with a tax hike... "tax n spend dems" yep.. everything they have offered up during these debates are gonna cost US more money, None of them can come up with a way to pay for it w/out hiking taxes and during the debates they were asked that very question, and they refused to answer... Knowing the American people are NOT gonna like, like for instance v****g rights for I******s, "Free" medicaid for i******s but I have to say they should be intelligent enough to know once they say they'd have to raise taxes they'd get Boo'd off stage!! Also, as an aside...Every debate that I've watched this e******n season there is No American F**g on stage behind them...That tells me they aren't working for the American people but for themselves and their real or imagined "glory" and pocket book!! I want an Audit of their expenditures!

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Oct 11, 2019 16:31:03   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
I wish Trump would just run the country and continue to campaign. He’s a magnificent speaker and, a brilliant and entertaining speaker, but he should allow his attorneys to speak for him in most matters. Less conflict. Does anyone agree?


I agree Carol, I'd say simply ignore the demonrats, but I'd take it a step further. One day Trump goes down the aisle into Congress and is followed by a Marine platoon incomplete battle gear. And they arrest the c****es. Believe me that would be getting off easy.

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Oct 11, 2019 17:00:40   #
Pariahjf
 
Larai wrote:
I agree, and said lefties have admitted as much quite a few actually.. have stated the only way we will win is if they can Unseat the Duly Elected president by impeaching him... If they'd of done this the right way, through the b****t box vs S******n!! Because while the president is sitting, this is a c**p.. s******n at best, Treason at worst...They know they have NOTHING to offer the American people that won't come with a tax hike... "tax n spend dems" yep.. everything they have offered up during these debates are gonna cost US more money, None of them can come up with a way to pay for it w/out hiking taxes and during the debates they were asked that very question, and they refused to answer... Knowing the American people are NOT gonna like, like for instance v****g rights for I******s, "Free" medicaid for i******s but I have to say they should be intelligent enough to know once they say they'd have to raise taxes they'd get Boo'd off stage!! Also, as an aside...Every debate that I've watched this e******n season there is No American F**g on stage behind them...That tells me they aren't working for the American people but for themselves and their real or imagined "glory" and pocket book!! I want an Audit of their expenditures!
I agree, and said lefties have admitted as much qu... (show quote)



And so much for fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget from the other side now....

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Oct 11, 2019 17:05:52   #
debeda
 
Pariahjf wrote:
And so much for fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget from the other side now....


Democrats and fiscal responsibility are antithetical

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Oct 11, 2019 17:16:07   #
Pariahjf
 
debeda wrote:
Democrats and fiscal responsibility are antithetical


Seems to me that is for BOTH parties now...

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Oct 11, 2019 17:23:29   #
Ricktloml
 
Jakebrake wrote:
The Democrats won’t permit the orderly t******r of p***r that should have occurred after their 2016 loss.

The term “constitutional crisis” has been tossed around so often since President Trump took office that it now has little meaning in our public discourse. But regardless of what we call the current impasse between the executive branch and the House of Representatives pursuant to the “impeachment inquiry” launched by the latter, our government now faces a genuine crisis whose magnitude the nation hasn’t seen for more than 150 years. Americans have long celebrated the orderly t******r of p***r that is unique to our form of government. The Democrats, however, have abandoned that tradition by refusing to accept the outcome of the 2016 e******n.

Having pursued a policy of t***sparency and shown extraordinary forbearance with the antics of House Democrats only to be declared “illegitimate” for his trouble, President Trump has had enough. Tuesday, Counsel to the President Pat Cipollone put House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on notice that Trump would no longer allow their machinations to distract him from his normal duties. Pointing out that the ersatz impeachment inquiry concocted by Pelosi and her accomplices was constitutionally invalid, in brazen violation of basic due process, and contrary to the separation of powers doctrine, Cipollone wrote that the president would ignore it henceforth:

[T]he President cannot allow your constitutionally illegitimate proceedings to distract him and those in the Executive Branch from their work on behalf of the American people. The President has a country to lead. The American people elected him to do this job, and he remains focused on fulfilling his promises.… We hope that, in light of the many deficiencies we have identified in your proceedings, you will abandon the current invalid efforts to pursue an impeachment inquiry and join the President in focusing on the many important goals that matter to the American people.

Speaker Pelosi responded to the president’s refusal to cooperate further with the farce by releasing a bizarre statement declaring that the letter itself is somehow unlawful and that the refusal to respond to illegitimate requests from a coequal branch of government constitutes obstruction:

This letter is manifestly wrong, and is simply another unlawful attempt to hide the facts of the Trump Administration’s brazen efforts to pressure foreign powers to intervene in the 2020 e******ns. Despite the White House’s stonewalling, we see a growing body of evidence that shows that President Trump abused his office.… The White House should be warned that continued efforts to hide the t***h of the President’s abuse of power from the American people will be regarded as further evidence of obstruction. Mr. President, you are not above the law. You will be held accountable.

Never mind that President Trump has been investigated relentlessly by the Democrats and their surrogates since he was elected, and no credible evidence has been found that he has abused his office. Yet Madam Speaker gratuitously insists that he has committed all manner of offenses, and she has arbitrarily launched an “impeachment inquiry” without authorization by the full House — the first time this has been done in the history of the republic. The House has initiated impeachment inquiries against three presidents: Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton. All were authorized by a v**e of the full House. As the White House letter points out:

Your inquiry is constitutionally invalid and a violation of due process. In the history of our Nation, the House of Representatives has never attempted to launch an impeachment inquiry against the President without a majority of the House taking political accountability for that decision by v****g to authorize such a dramatic constitutional step. Here, House leadership claims to have initiated the gravest inter-branch conflict contemplated under our Constitution by means of nothing more than a press conference at which the Speaker of the House simply announced an “official impeachment inquiry.”

This is by no means the only defect in the Democratic inquiry process noted in the White House letter. In addition to their refusal to hold the House v**e that would legitimately authorize an impeachment inquiry, the Democrats have denied the president basic due process rights such as the ability to confront the witnesses testifying against him, the right to call his own witnesses, and to have the assistance of counsel. They are also deposing witnesses in secret. In essence they are denying the president fundamental rights guaranteed all Americans by the Constitution. The White House letter describes this egregious behavior thus:

Despite Speaker Pelosi’s commitment to “treat the President with fairness,” the Committees have not established any procedures affording the President even the most basic protections demanded by due process under the Constitution.… These due process rights are not a matter of discretion for the Committees to dispense with at will. To the contrary, they are constitutional requirements. The Supreme Court has recognized that due process protections apply to all congressional investigations. Indeed, it has been recognized that the Due Process Clause applies to impeachment proceedings.

Democrats frequently speak of “rights,” yet they are unwilling to recognize those of Donald Trump — as if the president of the United States is not entitled to the protections guaranteed every American by the Constitution. Nor are they willing to live up to their own rhetoric on impeachment. Jerrold Nadler, the Democratic Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, once stood up in the House and stated, “There must never be a narrowly v**ed impeachment or an impeachment supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by the other.” Neither Nadler nor his fellow Democrats seem to remember that high-minded principle.

These Democrats are so determined to bring President Trump down they refuse to acquiesce in the orderly t******r of p***r that the vast majority 0f Americans expected after the 2016 e******n. Thus, we have a congressional impeachment inquiry declared illegitimate by a p**********l administration that has already been deemed illegitimate by the very Democrats who are carrying out the investigation without following their own House rules or the Constitution. To yours truly, that looks a lot like a genuine constitutional crisis.

https://spectator.org/we-now-have-a-genuine-constitutional-crisis/?utm_source=American%20Spectator%20Emails&utm_campaign=c608e14943-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_10_02_50&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_797a38d487-c608e14943-104385953
The Democrats won’t permit the orderly t******r of... (show quote)



How right you are. These reprehensible Democrat/socialists started talking impeachment the day President Trump took office. And they have been trying to frame him. The Democrat/socialist Party was close to that "fundamental t***sformation" into a banana republic, police state, and they are livid they couldn't c***t their candidate into office to finish that t***sformation.

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