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Oct 8, 2019 17:03:01   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
I thought Obama, a democrat, was the one who bailed out the big banks. Bush, the republican, didn't bail out the bankers with all our tax money. Which one is in bed with big business?

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Oct 8, 2019 18:35:15   #
gaconservative74
 
Lonewolf wrote:
and they borrow trillions to do it!


Oh yeah, Obama had a balanced budget right?

Oh wait, didn’t he double the national debt in his eight years? I think I recall reading that somewhere.

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Oct 9, 2019 00:02:59   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Proudemocrat wrote:
It's not a this or that thing. We have always had a good balance of both. For the most part we pay in our taxes and capitalism has made sure the rich corporations are taken care of first and foremost and socialism has made sure the rest of us get a fair shot. In the past 30 years, the rich and corporations have done everything they can to get rid of our social programs because that leaves more for them. That is why more and more of the money goes to the very tip top. That's why the average american worker has not had their pay increased in 30 years. That's why average Americans cannot afford health insurance, etc., etc. Now just to get back to where average households can even make it, we need a huge dose of socialism put back in the mix. Every time, and I really mean EVERY TIME we have have a republican elected to the wh, the first thing he does is send every penny possible to his huge rich donors and friends at the tip top.
It's not a this or that thing. We have always had... (show quote)



What corporations are the "rich" you speak of? A better way to ask...what % of the corporations in America represent "Rich" ?
Is it 80%
75%

Instead of allowing you to look foolish are you aware that over 97% of all American corporations are under $750,000 net income? Over 80% are less than $500,000
And of the remaining high income 3% "Rich" only 10% are elites. 10% of a remaining 3%
The wealthiest people in America are close to these same percentages.

Maybe do your homework, research.

The wealthiest people in government are Democrats in Congress and the Senate, then throw in a few governors.

Ever ask yourself why under Obama the elite recieved the breaks and poorest the shaft?
Why do Obama slate over 3.5 trillion in QE to wallstreet instead of mainstreet?

How did Obama leave the White House a multi billionaire?

Don't consider trying a strawman argument, first consider using our federal government websites that provide these facts .
Well i don't necessarily trust numbers our government post on it's websites. They do give us a reasonable direction to find the t***h.

The elite that benefit from government handouts, avoid taxation are but a smallest number that the % is laughable in a Capitalist economy.
CNN, MSNBC love to tell stories how XYZ corporation made billions of dollars, paid no taxes and paid their executives millions in bonuses. They turn corporate America into the villains. They are fabricating the t***h to align with a socialist agenda , PERIOD! They are remiss in telling the t***h of capitalism versus Crony Capitalism when Crony Capitalism represents less than 10% of the remaining 3%. They stand behind 8 years of a president that sells Americans a socialist Healthcare (Obamacare ) that breaks and bankrupts dozens of insurance companies, then tens of thousands of Americans with high deductibles and copays, all while costing taxpayers nearly a trillion dollars in cost just to establish it and more every year after.
8 years of business k*****g regulations that sent millions of jobs overseas and the biggest business (corporations) closing it's doors in history. In fact the first time in history that every year more businesses closed than opened. What a historic record to break, huh?
You can easily find the survey's done on businesses number one reasons for going out of business . Number one, regulations on bank loans to businesses that closed their doors and regulations on businesses themselves that were not sustainable during America's greatest economic melt down in history. Yes, during the greatest meltdown in history and hardest economic time for business, Obama lays out over 30,000 regulations and the CNN, MSNBC, NBC's of America did their level best to debunk regulations k**led businesses believing Americans would believe them instead of reading the most damaging regulations themselves, only to learn they were nothing but enormous cost attached to frivolous regulations that end in zero benefits other than another form of taxation through regulation.

It's not socialism that built the wealthiest nation , military, greatest power in all the world's history with the least poverty (our poor are considered rich to most nation's), its capitalism .
Of any economic system ever known to man, used in a society, look what Capitalism did for America.
But the left prefers believing a 70 year lie that has been so worn out and repeated so many times that it is believed, the evil Republicans that block socialism and protect Capitalism are in fact trying to protect the 97% of Americans corporations that over 80% of are mom and pop corporations and it is these corporations that move America's economy.
In the end a lie has caused l*****t to h**e the very engine that moves our economy maybe trace back the origin's of the lie and ask why?

One finger typed on my phone, please forgive errors or unintended auto corrects.


Jack

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Oct 9, 2019 13:02:39   #
Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.
 
Auntie Dee wrote:
...Or when Obama used most of the "stimulus money" after the so-called "crash" to pay off the banks, CEO'S & all of his campaign supporters who helped him win office?


Bush allowed the Banks to almost bankrupt this country, Obama saved this country. Look, you guys are pathetic. We are tired of explaining everything to you. Why don't we let nature take it's course and then we can explain why your guy is wearing and orange jump suit.

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Oct 9, 2019 16:40:37   #
gaconservative74
 
Proudemocrat wrote:
Bush allowed the Banks to almost bankrupt this country, Obama saved this country. Look, you guys are pathetic. We are tired of explaining everything to you. Why don't we let nature take it's course and then we can explain why your guy is wearing and orange jump suit.


Believe me, you don’t have to explain anything to anybody. No body is listening to your jibberish......... now I assume you are saying by let nature take its course you mean let the house impeach trump and to that I say you are asking Americans, and yes I am an American just as much as I assume you are, to close their eyes to the unconstitutional, unprecedented witch hunt going on in The house right now. Look, like it or not, I have opinions different than you do based off of the 45 years of experience I have in life on this earth and the trials and tribulations I have been thru that you have not. I have a functioning brain and can think for myself and don’t need you to explain anything. And when you talk to people in a condescending manner you automatically ruin any credibility you might have had. I don’t like trump. I don’t even think he is a decent moral human being, but there are two things going for him. #1, he don’t take no crap from ilk like you. #2, y’all can’t come up with a decent candidate, and I have said this more than once on here, so your democrat party will never get my v**e until you can come up with a decent candidate, which you haven’t done in 20years at least. I have no choice but the v**e for trump. Now I will also say he is exactly what this country needs...... somebody to stir up the big pile of crap that is our government.

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Oct 9, 2019 20:23:14   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Here in Vermont, we do a lot of socialist stuff. Things that are important, but which would be too expensive if done by a private company, or that no private company would want to do, we do by socialism. Things like public roads, public schools in smaller towns, or publicly owned water systems and sewage systems. Bigger towns may even have police forces, in spite of the warning in article 16 of our Constitution. Burlington has a publicly owned power station, and the state owns most of the rail lines west of the mountains. The state also runs a police force, (again in spite of the warning in article 16) At the town level, we have town meetings on the 1st Tuesday of March each year, which we run by Robert's Rules of Order, and where we v**e the budgets of those activities that we have decided are too important to be left to private companies. So what is the big fear that you Flatlanders have of socialism?

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Oct 10, 2019 13:14:54   #
gaconservative74
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
Here in Vermont, we do a lot of socialist stuff. Things that are important, but which would be too expensive if done by a private company, or that no private company would want to do, we do by socialism. Things like public roads, public schools in smaller towns, or publicly owned water systems and sewage systems. Bigger towns may even have police forces, in spite of the warning in article 16 of our Constitution. Burlington has a publicly owned power station, and the state owns most of the rail lines west of the mountains. The state also runs a police force, (again in spite of the warning in article 16) At the town level, we have town meetings on the 1st Tuesday of March each year, which we run by Robert's Rules of Order, and where we v**e the budgets of those activities that we have decided are too important to be left to private companies. So what is the big fear that you Flatlanders have of socialism?
Here in Vermont, we do a lot of socialist stuff. ... (show quote)


I believe you are confusing socialism with a representative republic, which is what we have in the constitution.

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Oct 10, 2019 13:55:52   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
I believe you are confusing socialism with a representative republic, which is what we have in the constitution.




He/she has no understanding how America's economic system works. This level of ignorance following a logic having nothing to do with reality.


Jack

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Oct 11, 2019 11:38:51   #
Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
Believe me, you don’t have to explain anything to anybody. No body is listening to your jibberish......... now I assume you are saying by let nature take its course you mean let the house impeach trump and to that I say you are asking Americans, and yes I am an American just as much as I assume you are, to close their eyes to the unconstitutional, unprecedented witch hunt going on in The house right now. Look, like it or not, I have opinions different than you do based off of the 45 years of experience I have in life on this earth and the trials and tribulations I have been thru that you have not. I have a functioning brain and can think for myself and don’t need you to explain anything. And when you talk to people in a condescending manner you automatically ruin any credibility you might have had. I don’t like trump. I don’t even think he is a decent moral human being, but there are two things going for him. #1, he don’t take no crap from ilk like you. #2, y’all can’t come up with a decent candidate, and I have said this more than once on here, so your democrat party will never get my v**e until you can come up with a decent candidate, which you haven’t done in 20years at least. I have no choice but the v**e for trump. Now I will also say he is exactly what this country needs...... somebody to stir up the big pile of crap that is our government.
Believe me, you don’t have to explain anything to ... (show quote)


You have your opinion, albeit smaller held than mine.

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Oct 11, 2019 11:42:35   #
Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
I believe you are confusing socialism with a representative republic, which is what we have in the constitution.


If you have a 5 member household and each does not have their own personal account for electric, phone, gas, food water etc. You are favorable of socialist thought. Combining our buying power is a good thing.

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Oct 11, 2019 11:52:05   #
gaconservative74
 
Proudemocrat wrote:
If you have a 5 member household and each does not have their own personal account for electric, phone, gas, food water etc. You are favorable of socialist thought. Combining our buying power is a good thing.


My household is not socialist. You have all warm and fuzzies about the term socialist and that’s fine, but at my house it is not a democracy or a republic. My children do not have a separate electric bill or water bill or any bill for that matter. I have a responsibility to raise my own children and provide for my family. I haven’t asked and don’t want the government to support me or my family. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty ugly of it, a home is a dictatorship. I make the rules and I am the judge jury and “executioner”. But I am also responsible for what members of my family do.

Like I said, you are wanting to paint a beautiful picture of socialism, but there are so many things wrong with the system and so so so many examples of it failing and exactly 0 examples in history of it working.

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Oct 11, 2019 11:53:38   #
gaconservative74
 
Proudemocrat wrote:
You have your opinion, albeit smaller held than mine.


I’m sorry. Remind me again who’s president? Smaller held? Hmmmmmm???

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Oct 11, 2019 12:31:38   #
Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
My household is not socialist. You have all warm and fuzzies about the term socialist and that’s fine, but at my house it is not a democracy or a republic. My children do not have a separate electric bill or water bill or any bill for that matter. I have a responsibility to raise my own children and provide for my family. I haven’t asked and don’t want the government to support me or my family. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty ugly of it, a home is a dictatorship. I make the rules and I am the judge jury and “executioner”. But I am also responsible for what members of my family do.

Like I said, you are wanting to paint a beautiful picture of socialism, but there are so many things wrong with the system and so so so many examples of it failing and exactly 0 examples in history of it working.
My household is not socialist. You have all warm a... (show quote)


Trump's going down. Relax and enjoy it. LOL

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Oct 11, 2019 15:22:39   #
gaconservative74
 
Proudemocrat wrote:
Trump's going down. Relax and enjoy it. LOL


We will see. But I will say that’s really the problem, y’all are obsessed with getting rid of trump you really don’t care about the country.

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Oct 11, 2019 19:28:18   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
We will see. But I will say that’s really the problem, y’all are obsessed with getting rid of trump you really don’t care about the country.




Bingo,
Vitriolic h**e and condoning unconstitutional acts by dems, physically attacking conservatives, condoning restaurants from serving conservatives, condoning network, print, radio l*****t fabricating lies, withholding t***hs and supporting/cheerleading reprobate social engineering while attacking Christianity. Godless, spiritually blinded, lead by dark forces describes l*****t. We can hope that more of the moderate liberals continue leaving the Democrat party, that has been the trend over the last 6-7 years leaving behind the c*******t/Socialists extremist that now makeup majority of what was once the Democrat party, because the more these varmints lie, c***t, steal the more Americans see the h**e they have towards American history, the pillars our founding fathers established, along with the constitution and bill of rights.


Jack

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