A serious question for the liberals: No bs or propaganda or your answer gets thrown out. Besides, you don't need it. Do you really want socialism instead of capitalism? Or do you just...

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

No bs or propaganda or your answer gets thrown out. Besides, you don't need it. Do you really want socialism instead of capitalism? Or do you just want to get rid of Trump? Fairly easy question, although it might cause you to rethink your entire base of processes. I'll tell you what I think, I could be dead wrong. You're just fine with capitalism, in fact you prefer it to socialism. Capitalism has succeeded, socialism never has. Trump, that's one variable you didn't expect, and don't like. We get that. Your lies, propaganda (call it what you like, I choose half-t***hs) day in and day out only move us closer to him.

Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.

Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:

No bs or propaganda or your answer gets thrown out... (show quote)

It's not a this or that thing. We have always had a good balance of both. For the most part we pay in our taxes and capitalism has made sure the rich corporations are taken care of first and foremost and socialism has made sure the rest of us get a fair shot. In the past 30 years, the rich and corporations have done everything they can to get rid of our social programs because that leaves more for them. That is why more and more of the money goes to the very tip top. That's why the average american worker has not had their pay increased in 30 years. That's why average Americans cannot afford health insurance, etc., etc. Now just to get back to where average households can even make it, we need a huge dose of socialism put back in the mix. Every time, and I really mean EVERY TIME we have have a republican elected to the wh, the first thing he does is send every penny possible to his huge rich donors and friends at the tip top.

steve66613

Proudemocrat wrote:

It's not a this or that thing. We have always had... (show quote)

Would you be so kind as to sight specific examples of “send(ing) every penny possible to his huge (,) rich donors....”

Is that similar to when Obastard sent billions in cash to Iran? Or, like when the Hildebeast paid millions for the “dirty dossier”?

Like that?

Lonewolf

Proudemocrat wrote:

It's not a this or that thing. We have always had... (show quote)

and they borrow trillions to do it!

Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.

steve66613 wrote:

Would you be so kind as to sight specific examples of “send(ing) every penny possible to his huge (,) rich donors....”

Is that similar to when Obastard sent billions in cash to Iran? Or, like when the Hildebeast paid millions for the “dirty dossier”?

Like that?

Obama didn't give Iran billions in cash. The money was theirs and always was. It was frozen for 50 years, after that they could do with it as they pleased, no matter who the US President was.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Proudemocrat wrote:

Obama didn't give Iran billions in cash. The money was theirs and always was. It was frozen for 50 years, after that they could do with it as they pleased, no matter who the US President was.

It was frozen because of terrorist activities and connections there in. Are you good with making a BS nuclear deal and using these billions to get them to agree to the phony deal? ? ? ? Knowing they would use the billions to fund more terrorism or get weapons with which to k**l!!!??????

The "it was their money" defense is just plain stupid!!!

Smedley_buzkill

Proudemocrat wrote:

Obama didn't give Iran billions in cash. The money was theirs and always was. It was frozen for 50 years, after that they could do with it as they pleased, no matter who the US President was.

Newsflash!!!! Iranian "students" invaded our embassy and took our diplomatic personnel hostage for a year and a half. This is an act of war. So is freezing their money. So tell me, what are the Iranians, the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, going to do with what you claim is "their" money? Being a Liberal, I'll bet you think they are going to spend it to promote women's and gay rights.

Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.

I'm sure Obama didn't want them to have it either, but he's not a criminal and a liar, so he did what the law said he had to do.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

Newsflash!!!! Iranian "students" invaded our embassy and took our diplomatic personnel hostage for a year and a half. This is an act of war. So is freezing their money. So tell me, what are the Iranians, the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, going to do with what you claim is "their" money? Being a Liberal, I'll bet you think they are going to spend it to promote women's and gay rights.

They already used it to purchase weapons and have just used them on Saudi Oil refineries.

Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.

Not our problem. Maybe we should ask Trump why he let Iran off the hook? hmm, surely the stable genius didn't make a mistake telling Iran in so many words...You are my friend, so I won't let anybody hurt you.

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

Proudemocrat wrote:

I'm sure Obama didn't want them to have it either, but he's not a criminal and a liar, so he did what the law said he had to do.

What the heck are you talking about the LAW SAID? What laws are you talking about? The ability to send the money WHICH DIDN'T BELONG TO THEM, COULD HAVE BEEN SENT VIA ELECTRONIC T***SMISSION!!!!!! That ability was still available at the time. Also why did he have to use not just American currency but multiple types of currency from various countries? Good Grief

Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.

2bltap wrote:

What the heck are you talking about the LAW SAID? What laws are you talking about? The ability to send the money WHICH DIDN'T BELONG TO THEM, COULD HAVE BEEN SENT VIA ELECTRONIC T***SMISSION!!!!!! That ability was still available at the time. Also why did he have to use not just American currency but multiple types of currency from various countries? Good Grief

Iran had tens of billions of dollars worth of funds that were languishing in banks, unable to be used, because of global sanctions. ie FROZEN So....you think the US should have intervened and taken it for the US?

Auntie Dee

steve66613 wrote:

Would you be so kind as to sight specific examples of “send(ing) every penny possible to his huge (,) rich donors....”

Is that similar to when Obastard sent billions in cash to Iran? Or, like when the Hildebeast paid millions for the “dirty dossier”?

Like that?

...Or when Obama used most of the "stimulus money" after the so-called "crash" to pay off the banks, CEO'S & all of his campaign supporters who helped him win office?

Auntie Dee

nwtk2007 wrote:

It was frozen because of terrorist activities and connections there in. Are you good with making a BS nuclear deal and using these billions to get them to agree to the phony deal? ? ? ? Knowing they would use the billions to fund more terrorism or get weapons with which to k**l!!!??????

The "it was their money" defense is just plain stupid!!!

Lt. Rob Polans ret.

Auntie Dee wrote:

...Or when Obama used most of the "stimulus money" after the so-called "crash" to pay off the banks, CEO'S & all of his campaign supporters who helped him win office?

He really should have paid the new black panthers.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to start a bash golfbag barryfest. I just was looking for an answer and almost had one,at least one was honest, thank you. And yes it seems politicians no matter the party have ties to wealthy friends.