Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I am also not a fan of "what aboutism" .. But prior incidents do set precedence... Normalizing of sexual assault is a bit of a stretch... But sexuality has become far more mainstream than it once was... And there are consequences to the neglect of moral education and the promotion of deviance...
If anyone in my family, male or female, had the misfortune to be mauled in any way I hope that they would slap some sense into the ignorant jackass... But I am also hesitant to label every act an assault...



Plenty of people care about the Clintons... And leaving office doesn't erase one's legacy...

I was also against Bill's impeachment... Simply put It didn't feel that his actions warranted it.. I agree with your reasoning... I think the division probably started before the Clinton presidency, but the impeachment was a hammer stroke to the wedge....



That is an astute observation... Though I disagree that an impeachment is warranted...



Guest Worker Permits and E-verify...
As well as better supervision of immigrants in the nation... And far better border security to stem the flow of illegal border crossings... More judges for the immigration courts would also help the situation...
And the permanent deportation of any and all found guilty of breaking any law...



Agreed...
And not just because of the Democrats...
The GOP has really dropped the ball on this one... Not to mention healthcare

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

The tape was not an admittance of guilt..
He did nothing wrong... Other then being less than gentlemanly...
Bill did what he did... Also less than gentlemanly...
Why not go back to Kennedy... I seem to recall he was quite the womanizer...

Frankly put...It don't pay undue attention to the sexual escapades of politicians... As long as they are not breaking the law their private lives should remain private...



I read about that. . And watched an interview(?) where she discussed it... I don't recall her laughing... But she was proud of her abilities as a lawyer... I was rather disgusted by it...
I think this is a bit of comparing "apples to oranges" though....
Trump's boast was ignorant and oafish... But something most men (and a fair number of ladies) might expect to hear in the "locker room"...
Hillary's boast was in defense of her abilities and actions as a lawyer... She did her job exceptionally well...



Politicians often engage in such actions..
Political perks?
The current climate is not enduring to either of them...



I think Eden may have been referring to herself only...
I agree that Trump has had to endure attacks since the moment he declared for the presidency...I believe there was talk of impeachment even before he took office...



Come now...
Trump has certainly been complicit in some of the division...
I agree that he has called for Americans to come together...But he has also been willing to hammer that wedge a few times...
He has been excellent at condemning h**e.. And I find the allegations of r****m, homophobia, Islamophobia and f*****m against him to be laughable....



Democrats are seeking power for their party...I can't fault them for that...
Progressives are truly dangerous... As they seem to think progress for "progresses" sake is an end desirable unto itself...
Liberals belong to all parties... I know of many liberal conservatives...And conservative liberals..
Socialists... This term has become like the term "r****t"... It is applied far too often and usually inaccurately... The true socialists are few and far between...And have little power... Though Bernie scares me...
C*******ts...See above...
I*****l a***ns are just that... They should never be a part of the equation... The fact that they are, also that they have so many champions, is frightening...
A****a are cowardly scum...



AOC is not a true politician... She is an idealistic dreamer who has trouble with reality... And who feels that her "morality" should take precedence to "facts"...



I don't think Eden claimed to be a behavioral psychologist... Merely that she had taken a few courses in it...
And it would be difficult for a behavioral psychologist to make any determination on these actions...
We would need to look to a sociologist to find answers to these disturbing trends...



Well..I'm blushing

Thanks friend David... I've noted similar behavior on your part... Must be why we get on so well

I should admit that I absolutely h**e being wrong... The last few years of the Harper government involved eating way too much crow for me

Hope you're well...How is the bike coming?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I agree with a lot of what you say.
Here's where I have problems...I'm NOT saying that Trump's statement was OK because Clinton did it, I was pointing out the difference of doing something 10 years or more BEFORE winning the e******n as to doing it AFTER winning the e******n. And we know for a fact that Trump didn't say what he did because of his winning sex appeal to women, it was because he was filthy rich. I'm old and ugly, but if I had Trump's money, I could do some grabbing too. That's just the way it is.
We agree on the border crisis. My problem is that you didn't mention that the democrats denied the crisis and said it was manufactured. When it became undeniable, Pelosi said that she never didn't say that there wasn't a crisis...if you can figure that one out.
Whether you choose republican, democrat, independent, or no political position at all, that is your right to do as you please, but after reading several of your replies, I can't see you as independent. You use all the tactics of the left. You wear your education like a badge while giving the impression that "your education is nothing compared to mine".
Another l*****t tactic is ridicule, and your first sentence was to everyone else but not to me...here we go again with the same old tired stories. Bill Clinton WAS POTUS. Hillary WAS running for POTUS and that's a part of history. So to defeat Trump, a years old tape was dug up to which he admitted to and apologized for. That's also part of history. However, Trump as POTUS has had no adulterous sex in the White House. He lied about Stormy Daniels, ( same as Bill Clinton), but not under oath and not as POTUS.
I asked you a question which you didn't answer but instead gave a small rant about how to fix the border.
These actions are all l*****t tactics. Ridicule, denial, redirection, and ranting. Are you sure you're an independent?

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I agree...it's the response that I detest. Here's an example;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSgQyiLRir0





I did hear a recorded segment where Hillary was laughing that her client passed a lie detector test after winning the case. Hillary bears no honor for winning such a case IMHO.


So where did these allegations come from? They are the result of lies and word manipulation, IMHO.

A****a, liberals, ( and I believe that the word has a changed meaning much like gay does not mean happy anymore), all of the democratic candidates...these ALL call themselves socialists. I've been called a N**I so I looked up what the word means. It means the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Isn't that funny? A person who claims to be a socialist calls me a socialist in disgust!

I do believe I saw her state that "as" a behavioral psychologist....leading me ( a simpleton) to believe that it was her profession. All I know about that field is that Sigmund smoked cigars.


Thank you. I've went through many stages and in the last one almost quit due to playing with a stacked deck. But, I'm still here. I learned that the magic words to NEVER say are "you are".

The heat this year has about done fer' me. The bike is coming along nicely. I have the parts I needed for the remote handle bars to connect to the front wheel. I have new tires on it also. It may still be a while as I'm not going to rush it. Hope you are well and enjoying being back home.

eden

“I don't think Eden claimed to be a behavioral psychologist... Merely that she had taken a few courses in it...
And it would be difficult for a behavioral psychologist to make any determination on these actions...
We would need to look to a sociologist to find answers to these disturbing trends...”

If you are going to quote me or comment on my posts can you at least make an effort to be accurate. You and your friend here seem to be a little muddled in your recollections ...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Quote:
Eden said: "He may be smarter than you and some of his supporters here but to many of us with an education and a basic knowledge of behavioral psychology, his behavior more closely suggests an IQ that matches his shoe size."

I took the "us" to be inclusive of you...
And the "basic knowledge of behavioral psychology" to mean that you had studied it but were not a professional psychologist...

I also used the qualifier "believe" to show a degree of uncertainty; rather than simply saying "Eden said..."

But great job of addressing the points that were brought up <sarcasm>

eden

“Neither job would enable you to assess someone who you have never met in person.”

My reference to past experience is a qualifier for my opinion as a writer, nothing more. I am not qualified to make psychiatric evaluations and even if I was it would be unprofessional to make an evaluation without an interview of the subject and with their permission. Anger Management is a separate field from psychiatry in that AM is experiential and Psych. is analytical for the most part.
Witnessing Trump acting out his fear of impeachment by verbally attacking his misperceived tormentors, name calling and making threats is classic Power-and-Control behavior according to the Duluth Model used by many Anger Management programs.(Look it up.) This is an “assessment” based on observable behavior only. I do not get into speculation on his psychological wellness or causative history.
To his defenders this will be labeled psychobabble and gobbledygook f**e news.
Too bad...another opportunity to stop and think will be lost. I don’t post with the delusional idea of changing any minds, just to stimulate thinking...that’s all....

eden

Yes the comment about his IQ matching his shoe size was sarcasm tinged with humor but I should have restrained myself.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

So you randomly assess your AM participants throughout their day to day lives via selected footage?

That is an odd way to do it... But I suppose that it is possible... So many new techniques coming out these days...


Correct me if I'm wrong.. It has been a while.. But does the Duluth Model not focus mainly on physical offenders?

And is it not mainly concerned with male violence against women?

I will have to review...


You would stimulate more thinking with less condescension....

eden

You and others would invite less condescension by being a little less willfully blind to your Dear Leaders excesses.

The program I worked with used the Duluth Power Wheel and other devices to facilitate court ordered rehabilitation of chronic offenders. Abuse is not just physical but verbal, emotional, psychological and not only towards women but also other men and children. Women are not exempt from this program either although their abuse tends to be structurally different.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Hmmm... In don't recall a Duluth Power Wheel... Will have to look that up..


Quote: "You and others would invite less condescension by being a little less willfully blind to your Dear Leaders excesses."

Now, you see, comments like this are uncalled for... I resent be generalized...

I am neither willfully blind, nor ignorant... I have a mind and use it to form an opinion... There is bias involved, certainly, but that is part of the human condition and I try to be as unbiased as I can...

As for "your dear leader"... I am Canadian... And do not view the POTUS as my leader... Though I do respect the position...And I support many of the policies of the current one...


I assure you that I can support my positions rationally and with resorting to ad hominem... If that makes me worthy of condescension then so be it...

eden

So be it. Have a pleasant day.