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Sep 29, 2019 16:46:16   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
2bltap wrote:
the phone conversation between President Trump and the Ukrainian President. Personally, I really don't understand how the Democratic Politicians or for that matter anyone including here on OPP can say with a t***h full face that there was anything remotely illegal or bad about the conversation these two gentlemen had. Please remember, the discussion was based upon ALL OF THE CORRUPTION and interference OF THE 2016 E******N NOT THE UPCOMING 2020 E******n AS MANY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO PUSH! As most of our progressives here on OPP have stated I the past that any discussion of the PAST SHOULD BE NULL AND VOID. JUST FORGET ABOUT IT RIGHT? Also, many here including myself was not aware of the LEGAL TREATY between the U.S. and the Ukraine was signed into law by President Clinton back in the 90's . This treaty allows for the back and forth between our countries to assist both of our countries in matters of corruption and other legal issues. So therefore, any type of assistance THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE ARE PERFECTLY LEGAL regardless of the democratic Politicians and a few RINOS BS!!!!! Period!!!!!
Semper Fi
Mike

https://youtu.be/sk1cYwhX2NQ
the phone conversation between President Trump and... (show quote)


The whole thing wasn't about Trump vs. Biden. It had to do with the cia's gun running (which had been going on for 70 years) in Ukraine. I'll give you the rest again and Burisma figures into it.

Impeachment Theater: Watnick Was Eyes and Ears for Sue Gordon and Mike Morell

Dear Robert,

George Webb reacts to yesterday's impeachment antics by the Democrat Caucus and the later revelation by the Washington Post that the "whistleblower" is a CIA agent, who many are commenting is 33-year-old Ezra Cohen-Watkins.

Webb is adamant that while Watkins may have been the "eyes and ears", who was placed in the White House as a spy, that the true whistleblower persona in this replay of RussiaGate is a composite of Sue Gordon and Mike Morrell.

Gordon was, until six weeks ago the Deputy Director of the Office of National Intelligence when she "resigned" along with her boss DNI Dan Coats and Trump pointedly replaced her with Acting Director Joseph Maguire. Mike Morrell had been the Acting Director of the CIA between 2010-2013, appointed after David Petraeus was forced to step down and before John Brennan was appointed as CIA Director.

For Webb, the performance we saw yesterday was a lot of fun because we were given boatloads of metadata on the identities of the c**p-plotters of this "Crossfire Hurricane 2.0".

Webb says that Ukraine is a much bigger story than most know. It's been a major hub of illegal weapons sales for decades and companies like Burisma, a gas company would act as a front for weapons sales.

Webb also suggests that Joe Biden is very c*********d and that a look at the amount of deaths in his family - his wife, daughter and son - leads him to suspect that he may have been put up to publicly fondling children in order to prevent other information from coming out.

Webb says, "Let me tell you, the Bidens are not the enemy, here. It's the CIA behind the Bidens, it's the CIA guys with the guns to Biden's head. That's who the enemy is...They want you to get upset
about Trump vs Biden...
"It's not about Trump vs Biden! It's about these CIA guys running guns out of Ukraine to everywhere!...It's been going on 70 years...this is not new!"

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Sep 29, 2019 16:56:05   #
rumitoid
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
The whole thing wasn't about Trump vs. Biden. It had to do with the cia's gun running (which had been going on for 70 years) in Ukraine. I'll give you the rest again and Burisma figures into it.

Impeachment Theater: Watnick Was Eyes and Ears for Sue Gordon and Mike Morell

Dear Robert,

George Webb reacts to yesterday's impeachment antics by the Democrat Caucus and the later revelation by the Washington Post that the "whistleblower" is a CIA agent, who many are commenting is 33-year-old Ezra Cohen-Watkins.

Webb is adamant that while Watkins may have been the "eyes and ears", who was placed in the White House as a spy, that the true whistleblower persona in this replay of RussiaGate is a composite of Sue Gordon and Mike Morrell.

Gordon was, until six weeks ago the Deputy Director of the Office of National Intelligence when she "resigned" along with her boss DNI Dan Coats and Trump pointedly replaced her with Acting Director Joseph Maguire. Mike Morrell had been the Acting Director of the CIA between 2010-2013, appointed after David Petraeus was forced to step down and before John Brennan was appointed as CIA Director.

For Webb, the performance we saw yesterday was a lot of fun because we were given boatloads of metadata on the identities of the c**p-plotters of this "Crossfire Hurricane 2.0".

Webb says that Ukraine is a much bigger story than most know. It's been a major hub of illegal weapons sales for decades and companies like Burisma, a gas company would act as a front for weapons sales.

Webb also suggests that Joe Biden is very c*********d and that a look at the amount of deaths in his family - his wife, daughter and son - leads him to suspect that he may have been put up to publicly fondling children in order to prevent other information from coming out.

Webb says, "Let me tell you, the Bidens are not the enemy, here. It's the CIA behind the Bidens, it's the CIA guys with the guns to Biden's head. That's who the enemy is...They want you to get upset
about Trump vs Biden...
"It's not about Trump vs Biden! It's about these CIA guys running guns out of Ukraine to everywhere!...It's been going on 70 years...this is not new!"
The whole thing wasn't about Trump vs. Biden. It h... (show quote)


Yawn.

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Sep 29, 2019 17:00:12   #
PeterS
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
The whole thing wasn't about Trump vs. Biden. It had to do with the cia's gun running (which had been going on for 70 years) in Ukraine. I'll give you the rest again and Burisma figures into it.

Impeachment Theater: Watnick Was Eyes and Ears for Sue Gordon and Mike Morell

Dear Robert,

George Webb reacts to yesterday's impeachment antics by the Democrat Caucus and the later revelation by the Washington Post that the "whistleblower" is a CIA agent, who many are commenting is 33-year-old Ezra Cohen-Watkins.

Webb is adamant that while Watkins may have been the "eyes and ears", who was placed in the White House as a spy, that the true whistleblower persona in this replay of RussiaGate is a composite of Sue Gordon and Mike Morrell.

Gordon was, until six weeks ago the Deputy Director of the Office of National Intelligence when she "resigned" along with her boss DNI Dan Coats and Trump pointedly replaced her with Acting Director Joseph Maguire. Mike Morrell had been the Acting Director of the CIA between 2010-2013, appointed after David Petraeus was forced to step down and before John Brennan was appointed as CIA Director.

For Webb, the performance we saw yesterday was a lot of fun because we were given boatloads of metadata on the identities of the c**p-plotters of this "Crossfire Hurricane 2.0".

Webb says that Ukraine is a much bigger story than most know. It's been a major hub of illegal weapons sales for decades and companies like Burisma, a gas company would act as a front for weapons sales.

Webb also suggests that Joe Biden is very c*********d and that a look at the amount of deaths in his family - his wife, daughter and son - leads him to suspect that he may have been put up to publicly fondling children in order to prevent other information from coming out.

Webb says, "Let me tell you, the Bidens are not the enemy, here. It's the CIA behind the Bidens, it's the CIA guys with the guns to Biden's head. That's who the enemy is...They want you to get upset
about Trump vs Biden...
"It's not about Trump vs Biden! It's about these CIA guys running guns out of Ukraine to everywhere!...It's been going on 70 years...this is not new!"
The whole thing wasn't about Trump vs. Biden. It h... (show quote)

If Trump was so worried about what Biden was doing in the Ukraine then he would have started this investigation when he had both houses of congress and an AG to carry through with the task. That this only became a problem when Biden announced he was running for president tells us right there that this is about politics and nothing more. By the way, it doesn't sound like Barr wants anything to do with this. So do you think you can get the Senate to launch an investigation? That's about your only shot...

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Sep 29, 2019 17:24:08   #
Bcon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yawn.


Coming from you, that is probably the most intelligent expression you can muster. Is nothing that is wrong with the running of this country important to you except trying to bring Trump down? Hillary is going to run again. No matter how corrupt she is I am sure you will back her. This country needs a massive enema to get rid of you and the likes of you whose only interest is not for America’s good, but putting democrat c*******ts in office, no matter how much harm they will bring. Look at the situation now,complete chaos caused by Demo extremism. You wallow in it and yawn.

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Sep 29, 2019 17:42:51   #
EmilyD
 
Bcon wrote:
Coming from you, that is probably the most intelligent expression you can muster. Is nothing that is wrong with the running of this country important to you except trying to bring Trump down? Hillary is going to run again. No matter how corrupt she is I am sure you will back her. This country needs a massive enema to get rid of you and the likes of you whose only interest is not for America’s good, but putting democrat c*******ts in office, no matter how much harm they will bring. Look at the situation now,complete chaos caused by Demo extremism. You wallow in it and yawn.
Coming from you, that is probably the most intelli... (show quote)

Your second sentence says it all: "Is nothing that is wrong with the running of this country important to you except trying to bring Trump down?" That's all they want - nothing more. They want our military gone (Green New Deal = no, trucks, tanks, ships, F-15's, other combustion engines, etc.) and they want our country to be defenseless, poor and governed by some global socialist leader.

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Sep 29, 2019 18:17:05   #
Abel
 
EmilyD wrote:
Your second sentence says it all: "Is nothing that is wrong with the running of this country important to you except trying to bring Trump down?" That's all they want - nothing more. They want our military gone (Green New Deal = no, trucks, tanks, ships, F-15's, other combustion engines, etc.) and they want our country to be defenseless, poor and governed by some global socialist leader.


They, the Progressive Deep State, SAY all they want is President Trump gone. However, if they do succeed in getting rid of President Trump, and another Republican or Independent Conservative wins the e******n, we will simply have the same continuing BS farce under another name. Their target is the Sovereign Republic of the USA, not President Trump in particular. H**e is their bag, and if they have no one to h**e they can't stand it, and they h**e the USA as it currently exists.

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Sep 29, 2019 19:23:10   #
eden
 
rumitoid wrote:
Yawn.


Yawn and stretch...

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Sep 29, 2019 19:33:21   #
eden
 
EmilyD wrote:
Your second sentence says it all: "Is nothing that is wrong with the running of this country important to you except trying to bring Trump down?" That's all they want - nothing more. They want our military gone (Green New Deal = no, trucks, tanks, ships, F-15's, other combustion engines, etc.) and they want our country to be defenseless, poor and governed by some global socialist leader.


Sorry but that’s absolutist nonsense. The Green New Deal is just a step in the right direction. But who is “they”? Nobody I know on both sides of the aisle wants this country to be “defenseless, poor and governed by some g*******t socialist leader”. There is a silent majority made up of decent people from the center of all parties who want a strong defense, the income gap narrowed, affordable uncomplicated health care, proper environmental protections and a reduction in authoritarian demagoguery.

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Sep 29, 2019 20:04:00   #
EmilyD
 
eden wrote:
Sorry but that’s absolutist nonsense. The Green New Deal is just a step in the right direction. But who is “they”? Nobody I know on both sides of the aisle wants this country to be “defenseless, poor and governed by some g*******t socialist leader”. There is a silent majority made up of decent people from the center of all parties who want a strong defense, the income gap narrowed, affordable uncomplicated health care, proper environmental protections and a reduction in authoritarian demagoguery.
Sorry but that’s absolutist nonsense. The Green Ne... (show quote)

Sorry, but Obama was a g*******t who was on track to turn this country into a global nation. Nationalism is something he h**es, and that Trump embraces completely. And Hillary was supposed to continue on that g*******t track, but fortunately Trump got in the way. Who's going to pay for the Green New Deal, Medicare for all, free tuition, etc., do you think? The money fairy?

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Sep 29, 2019 20:08:27   #
rumitoid
 
Bcon wrote:
Coming from you, that is probably the most intelligent expression you can muster. Is nothing that is wrong with the running of this country important to you except trying to bring Trump down? Hillary is going to run again. No matter how corrupt she is I am sure you will back her. This country needs a massive enema to get rid of you and the likes of you whose only interest is not for America’s good, but putting democrat c*******ts in office, no matter how much harm they will bring. Look at the situation now,complete chaos caused by Demo extremism. You wallow in it and yawn.
Coming from you, that is probably the most intelli... (show quote)


Ho-hum.

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Sep 29, 2019 20:11:59   #
rumitoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
Sorry, but Obama was a g*******t who was on track to turn this country into a global nation. Nationalism is something he h**es, and that Trump embraces completely. And Hillary was supposed to continue on that g*******t track, but fortunately Trump got in the way. Who's going to pay for the Green New Deal, Medicare for all, free tuition, etc., do you think? The money fairy?


Oh, so tiresome with the mistaken ideas about globalism; it has gone on for over 5 decades by the US.

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Sep 29, 2019 20:16:56   #
EmilyD
 
rumitoid wrote:
Oh, so tiresome with the mistaken ideas about globalism; it has gone on for over 5 decades by the US.

Yawn.....

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Sep 29, 2019 21:08:36   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
eden wrote:
Sorry but that’s absolutist nonsense. The Green New Deal is just a step in the right direction. But who is “they”? Nobody I know on both sides of the aisle wants this country to be “defenseless, poor and governed by some g*******t socialist leader”. There is a silent majority made up of decent people from the center of all parties who want a strong defense, the income gap narrowed, affordable uncomplicated health care, proper environmental protections and a reduction in authoritarian demagoguery.
Sorry but that’s absolutist nonsense. The Green Ne... (show quote)


The "affordable, uncomplicated health care" your precious Democrats are promoting will cost about 30 trillion dollars per year. Plus you want a strong defense, and all the other things you mentioned. Understand this; "taxing the rich" will not pay for this. Nothing will pay for this. You "want a reduction in authoritarian demagoguery" while supporting actions that will reduce everyone in this country to penury. There will be nothing left but authoritarian demagoguery.

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Sep 29, 2019 21:28:49   #
eden
 
EmilyD wrote:
Sorry, but Obama was a g*******t who was on track to turn this country into a global nation. Nationalism is something he h**es, and that Trump embraces completely. And Hillary was supposed to continue on that g*******t track, but fortunately Trump got in the way. Who's going to pay for the Green New Deal, Medicare for all, free tuition, etc., do you think? The money fairy?


I'm not going to defend Obama and I am not a Democrat but what exactly is a "global nation"? Nationalism is very tricky because it tends to ignore or marginalize First Nation native Americans and minorities and that is not popular on the Left, the Middle and some on the Right. Trump tries to destroy anything that Obama touched because he has ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome). If the Green New Deal was the answer to a global environmental crisis that some say it is, the money would appear as needed, just as it did after the great depression of the 30's, just as it did when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, just as it would if there was a planet destroying meteor headed for NYC. Medicare for all is a deal that everyone should get behind as a public option. Make it cheap (100.00 per month?) and allow private medical as an option for those who can afford it. Totally free Tuition is a bad idea because students would widely abuse it and degrees would be devalued. Better if it cost somewhere near junior college with Govt. subsidizing the rest. No money fairies needed.

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Sep 29, 2019 21:34:38   #
eden
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
The "affordable, uncomplicated health care" your precious Democrats are promoting will cost about 30 trillion dollars per year. Plus you want a strong defense, and all the other things you mentioned. Understand this; "taxing the rich" will not pay for this. Nothing will pay for this. You "want a reduction in authoritarian demagoguery" while supporting actions that will reduce everyone in this country to penury. There will be nothing left but authoritarian demagoguery.
The "affordable, uncomplicated health care&qu... (show quote)


Read my next post. It answers some of your questions.

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