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Sep 21, 2019 00:29:44   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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A public servant is generally a person who is employed by the government, either through appointment or e******n. Examples include, among others, police officers, paid and volunteer firefighters, health officers, the public works director and designees, city clerk and designees, code enforcement personnel, and other city personnel authorized to enforce city ordinances, statutes, and codes.

The following is one state's definition of a public servant:

Everyone who is a chief executive of, or a statutory officer or employee in, a Department in the Public Service is a public servant.

For the purposes of the E*******l Act, "public servant" is defined more broadly, notably including a person employed in the Education Service as defined in the State Sector Act.
The are also called public servants because they are hired to serve the people who pay their salaries and benefits.


The problems we have at present are the radical DEMS in Congress. They act like gods. arrogant, liars, abusive of their powers, corrupt, fraudulent, and behave like kings. They think they are above the law thus a gross violation of the constitution.

Anybody out of this employ are private citizens working in private sector or at home.
Private contractors of government offices are not public servants.
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There are also radical repubs in congress and they are a problem doing all the things that Dems are accussed of.

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Sep 21, 2019 08:35:03   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
It's painfully obvious why we keep getting screwed by our elected officials, since everyone missed the point. Arguing over the minutia, definitions, public vs private, blah, blah, blah.

Generations of Americans have allowed elected people to whittle away at our control over them, get us used to abuses of power and office and come to accept such behavior as their just due. We allow elected officials to raid the Treasury, pass laws that benefit themselves, avoid any and all oversight, all the while making us think there's nothing we can do about it.....................except elect someone else who will do the same damn thing.

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Sep 21, 2019 08:57:53   #
Radiance3
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
There are also radical repubs in congress and they are a problem doing all the things that Dems are accussed of.


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Prove that!

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Sep 21, 2019 08:59:15   #
1ProudAmerican
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you’re saying Obama should have immediately shown us his birth certificate?


...and his school and college grades

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Sep 21, 2019 09:15:51   #
Fodaoson Loc: South Texas
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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That Birth Certificate requirement for Obama should have been enforced the fact the it is a constitutional requirement that the p**********l candidate must be a “natural born citizen” Because of Obama's mixed race, in addition that his natural father was a Kenyan foreign student in Hawaii. There should have been a protocol requiring his BC during the filing for p**********l aspiration. And rightly so that he was not a natural born citizen. He was born in Kenya based from various reliable sources. That is not natural born as stated in the Constitution.

Another candidate with questionable eligibility of being a "natural born" is Kamala Harris. 2020 United States p**********l e******n. Jacob Wohl claimed Harris was not eligible because her foreign-born parents were not naturalized United States citizens at the time of her birth. Therefore, Kamala Harris does not meet the "natural born" status.
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Harris was born in the US. If her citizenship is invalid then the anchor baby question is mute.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

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Sep 21, 2019 09:27:35   #
Rose42
 
lpnmajor wrote:
It's painfully obvious why we keep getting screwed by our elected officials, since everyone missed the point. Arguing over the minutia, definitions, public vs private, blah, blah, blah.

Generations of Americans have allowed elected people to whittle away at our control over them, get us used to abuses of power and office and come to accept such behavior as their just due. We allow elected officials to raid the Treasury, pass laws that benefit themselves, avoid any and all oversight, all the while making us think there's nothing we can do about it.....................except elect someone else who will do the same damn thing.
It's painfully obvious why we keep getting screwed... (show quote)


Some did get the point. I see no changes coming though. Democrats have accepted their deadbeat group of candidates and the republicans have Trump.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:14:26   #
cbpat1
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Stop showing how dumb you are




Perfectly appropriate question LW. You just don’t like the political persuasion of the person that asked it. And besides, how much scrutiny did that so called birth certificate get? None, that’s how much. That birth certificate is as phony as the day is long. Stop showing what a sucker you are.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:20:09   #
Radiance3
 
Fodaoson wrote:
Harris was born in the US. If her citizenship is invalid then the anchor baby question is mute.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Harris was born in the US. If her citizenship is i... (show quote)


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The constitution is the framework that must be followed. Not the definition of any political blogger or socialist-democrats to justify their narratives.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:27:04   #
cbpat1
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)




Political figures shouldn’t have to show everyone their taxes anymore than you or I should have to. It’s none of our business. Trumps taxes are his own and he is under no obligation to go handing the whole world a copy if he chooses not to. Besides, if the democrats are looking to find out where he spent his money, and with whom, a financial statement would be so much more informative. Trump has offered to do that.

The democrats are not really looking to see his taxes, they just want the whole world to hear Trump say he won’t give them up.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:33:44   #
Radiance3
 
Fodaoson wrote:
Harris was born in the US. If her citizenship is invalid then the anchor baby question is mute.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Harris was born in the US. If her citizenship is i... (show quote)

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[i]Harris was born in the US. That she is a citizen. However, she could not be considered a natural born, a constitutional requirement to be US president or VP.

When Harris was born in the US, her parents were not yet citizens of the United States. Constitution requires for becoming a US president or VP must be natural born. All anchor babies are at present considered citizens unless the law is changed soon. But they are NOT natural born.

And who are considered natural born under the constitution? One who is born in the US with US citizens parents. Or one born with US citizen parents outside of the country, but within the US territory, like the US militarized zone where Senator John McCain, born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, to naval officer John S. McCain Jr. That US compound is a US territory.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:46:10   #
currahee506
 
One works for his money and the other one is now a "legalized" thief.

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Sep 21, 2019 11:06:42   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
currahee506 wrote:
One works for his money and the other one is now a "legalized" thief.


Best answer so far.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:23:24   #
TrueAmerican
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you’re saying Obama should have immediately shown us his birth certificate?



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Sep 21, 2019 13:34:27   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)


So why is it Hillary gets a pass from the Lame Stream Media.
Soooo much corruption, and she is not indicted or in jail.

Hillary the Scandals
http://youtu.be/BYKAzJcU-DA

Hillary Clinton: A Lying Compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

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Sep 21, 2019 14:12:46   #
1ProudAmerican
 
cbpat1 wrote:
Political figures shouldn’t have to show everyone their taxes anymore than you or I should have to. It’s none of our business. Trumps taxes are his own and he is under no obligation to go handing the whole world a copy if he chooses not to. Besides, if the democrats are looking to find out where he spent his money, and with whom, a financial statement would be so much more informative. Trump has offered to do that.

The democrats are not really looking to see his taxes, they just want the whole world to hear Trump say he won’t give them up.
Political figures shouldn’t have to show everyone ... (show quote)


RIGHT, I'm not as concerned about his money since it was earned PRIOR to him becoming president. I'm MUCH more concerned with the politicians who came in as "middle class" citizens and NOW are multi-millionaires and billionaires...along with many of their family members.

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