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Sep 20, 2019 21:07:39   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.

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Sep 20, 2019 21:24:24   #
Liberty Tree
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)


Mich of this is not in the Constitution. public servants still have constitutional rights and do not have to prove they are innocent of an acusation. The accuser must prove them guilty.

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Sep 20, 2019 21:44:00   #
Rose42
 
So you’re saying Obama should have immediately shown us his birth certificate?

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Sep 20, 2019 21:53:19   #
Lonewolf
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you’re saying Obama should have immediately shown us his birth certificate?


Stop showing how dumb you are

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Sep 20, 2019 21:54:19   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)


Public servants need to learn the difference between serving their constituents and servicing them. Serving is what a pastor does for his congregation. Servicing is what a stud bull does to a heifer.

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Sep 20, 2019 22:03:49   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)
I am an elected public official who has had quite a bit of board training. The biggest amount of my training has been in government ethics. I shall not use my office to profit myself or freinds or relatives. Violation can mean removal from office fines and jail time.

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Sep 20, 2019 22:04:07   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If they don't want such scrutiny......................
Form A Union

Trick Answer
Since The Vast Majority Of Public Servants Aren't Elected

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Sep 20, 2019 22:09:36   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Well, there goes Congress.



Just a long post trying to get at Provident Trump. When Congress proposes a law opening themselves and the President to the same scrutiny as you seem to think is due, and put themselves under some sort of Inspecter General, not appointed by Congress, or subject to firing or any controls by Congress, with full unfettered investigative powers, etc. then I'll consider going along with those wild theories

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Sep 20, 2019 22:18:43   #
Rose42
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Stop showing how dumb you are



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Sep 20, 2019 22:36:52   #
badbob85037
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)


I thought a citizen was part of the m*****a where as an elected official is not. If Trump calls the m*****a to muster say on the California border to invade the state and bring it back to Federal laws he would be with in his duties as president. Ones not showing up would be tried in Military Courts for desertion. A simple way to jail these crazed l*****t. It's way pasted time to use our laws to put these Socialist bastards where they belong, 200 miles west of San Francisco only able to take their chains with them.

Does anyone know any elected official that didn't retire a rich man. They v**ed them self's full pay the rest of their lives. They v**ed insider trading for them is not illegal along with not being charged with sexual harassment laws. What they did to our tax free, private retirement account no one could touch and there when ever it was needed is enough to get them a piece of short rope.

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Sep 20, 2019 22:42:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the question itself. Despite the generations of apathy and ignorance leading to the opposite, elected officials are still public servants. As with any employer, the people have a right to examine their employees conduct, and for public servants - even their off time is subject to review. Elected officials do NOT have the right to claim privacy rules, since their behavior reflects upon their employers 24/7/365, in every circumstance and every area. If they don't want such scrutiny......................they should find another line of work.

Those elected officials who have business interests, unless there is a complete divesting of those interests, ALL of their business dealings are legally subject to the people's review. An elected official and business man/woman, may NOT claim privacy or executive privilege, since those dealings may impact their service. It is the people's right under the Constitution, to determine if conflicts of interest exist or not, and "trust me" or "take my word for it" are NOT and adequate defense.

From the highest office in the land to the lowest, the people's interests are paramount and superior to all other interests, and it is the PEOPLE who have the right to determine whether or not this is being upheld........and NOT at the polls. One group of citizens do not have the right to dismiss any other groups concerns over potential malfeasance.

The bottom line is this; Public servants behavior, decisions and conduct is subject to review at any time, for any reason. Public servants give up certain privacy rights for the privilege of serving, and if they are unwilling to do so, they must find employment elsewhere. There are NO provisions for secrecy from or by any branch of Government, from any other branch, as there are persons with sufficient security clearances to review any and ALL functions of every other branch or agency.

Public officials MUST avoid even the appearance of impropriety, and MUST respond with alacrity and completeness to any and all requests for documentation/testimony from the people's Representatives. If you haven't done anything wrong................................you should be eager to prove it.
Sorry, trick question, since the answer is in the ... (show quote)


Government and private enterprise operate differently...

One can understand the point you're making... Yet to what extent should this be enforced? Even a private organization cannot freely go through an employees bank accounts and tax records...

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Sep 20, 2019 22:43:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you’re saying Obama should have immediately shown us his birth certificate?


Chuckle... That was a good one... Always wondered what the big deal about it was... I carry mine in my wallet...

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Sep 20, 2019 22:45:15   #
sisboombaa
 
Rose42 wrote:


I don't think you are dumb, Rose. It's lonewolf I'm not sure of.

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Sep 20, 2019 23:09:20   #
Radiance3
 
Rose42 wrote:
So you’re saying Obama should have immediately shown us his birth certificate?


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That Birth Certificate requirement for Obama should have been enforced the fact the it is a constitutional requirement that the p**********l candidate must be a “natural born citizen” Because of Obama's mixed race, in addition that his natural father was a Kenyan foreign student in Hawaii. There should have been a protocol requiring his BC during the filing for p**********l aspiration. And rightly so that he was not a natural born citizen. He was born in Kenya based from various reliable sources. That is not natural born as stated in the Constitution.

Another candidate with questionable eligibility of being a "natural born" is Kamala Harris. 2020 United States p**********l e******n. Jacob Wohl claimed Harris was not eligible because her foreign-born parents were not naturalized United States citizens at the time of her birth. Therefore, Kamala Harris does not meet the "natural born" status.

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Sep 20, 2019 23:26:40   #
Radiance3
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I am an elected public official who has had quite a bit of board training. The biggest amount of my training has been in government ethics. I shall not use my office to profit myself or freinds or relatives. Violation can mean removal from office fines and jail time.


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A public servant is generally a person who is employed by the government, either through appointment or e******n. Examples include, among others, police officers, paid and volunteer firefighters, health officers, the public works director and designees, city clerk and designees, code enforcement personnel, and other city personnel authorized to enforce city ordinances, statutes, and codes.

The following is one state's definition of a public servant:

Everyone who is a chief executive of, or a statutory officer or employee in, a Department in the Public Service is a public servant.

For the purposes of the E*******l Act, "public servant" is defined more broadly, notably including a person employed in the Education Service as defined in the State Sector Act.
The are also called public servants because they are hired to serve the people who pay their salaries and benefits.


The problems we have at present are the radical DEMS in Congress. They act like gods. arrogant, liars, abusive of their powers, corrupt, fraudulent, and behave like kings. They think they are above the law thus a gross violation of the constitution.

Anybody out of this employ are private citizens working in private sector or at home.
Private contractors of government offices are not public servants.

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