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Sep 15, 2019 13:47:35   #
Mikeyavelli
 
manning5 wrote:
As I see it, the left wants to disarm the citizenry, and they poopoo the idea that armed citizens could stand up to the Government, as our military would be under their control, and far better armed. Think M1A2's, body armor, A-10's, Etc.! We would have the numbers, but not the weapons needed.

So this attempt to stifle the citizenry by confiscating "assault weapons," and eventually more types, should be defeated, not because of the possibility of i**********n, but because it is a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. No background check should go any further than checking for convictions of a felony. If you bring in the psychologists and psychiatrists to evaluate a citizen's mental state you are going to have some extremely biased decisions, since many of these types cannot agree amongst themselves on many aspects of permanent or temporary mental flaws, and the effects of medications.

Many here have pointed out that disarming the citizenry leaves them incapable of defending themselves against intruders, and most other consequences as well. At 88 I see guns as my only equalizer!
On another thread it was stated that we should disarm Democrats, since they are the constant shooters! Hmmm! It seems that the list is now largely true, but with doubts as to the party affiliations in some cases.

Yes, I am a member of the NRA, I own many weapons legally, I am trained and I am efficient on the range, but in the stress of an encounter, I would probably need many rounds to ensure I hit what I am aiming at, say 12+1 or more, especially if there are several intruders which is the MO here very often!
As I see it, the left wants to disarm the citizenr... (show quote)


Yep, eventually, everyone would get a red f**g and the kommiecrats would decide that they would be unfit to own a gun. Everyone, everyone that is except for the mass shooters and criminals.

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Sep 15, 2019 13:57:52   #
Ricktloml
 
bggamers wrote:
But the red f**g laws are open to those who would use them in order to punish some that pisses them am I wrong this is what worries me


Red F**g laws undermine the very foundations of this country. Due process, innocent until proven guilty. Law-abiding gun owners would be required to prove their innocence, because their property would be confiscated FIRST, then even if they win in court, they are out attorney fees, court cost, ect. America has had easy access to guns for 240 some-odd years, mass shootings didn't start until the 1960s. As the left defined deviancy downward, cheapened life, basically debased, degraded and corrupted the culture these k*****gs are the results. Of course the left wants to blame guns, and they certainly don't want to even consider any real solution because it would require them to examine the true underlying cause. There are already 270-300 gun laws on the books, (they are rarely enforced.) It is actually sick and twisted to USE the senseless deaths of innocent people to advance your political goals. The leadership of the left KNOW law-abiding citizens participating in their Constitutional right are not the problem...but they ARE the target.

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Sep 15, 2019 14:11:11   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Bullnadler, red f**g laws are coming to get MY GUNS, not the criminals guns.
It will come down to anyone who wants to own a gun is crazy and therefore not permitted to own a gun.
But, every criminal will still have a gun.
Yes and social security will bankrupt the country.

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Sep 15, 2019 14:16:45   #
son of witless
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yes and social security will bankrupt the country.


If you said it, it must be true.

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Sep 15, 2019 15:48:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yes and social security will bankrupt the country.


Childish statement. Social Security will not have enough funds for 100% payouts starting around 2034. So what’s your point.

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Sep 15, 2019 16:01:45   #
Navigator
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
And what else? I have ideas but it will be dismissed as liberal snowflake Bull chips. How about classifying assault weapons as class 3. You can still get them but you are going to go through some extensive background and phsycological checks. The beauty of it is you had better not have one without the class 3 permit. No problem if you don't have problems. Red F**g laws do save lives. Well there it is get to telling me I'm full of crap.


Tom, you are not full crap but I think you are slowly succumbing to the 24/7 brainwashing by the TV news channels, entertainment TV, Hollywood, newspapers and the Democrat party. The problem is twofold:
1. Classifying "assault weapons" as class 3 is makes them largely unavailable to the masses, precisely the group the 2nd amendment was written to ensure had guns capable enough to prevent their subjugation by the government (in these times that would be semi-auto rifles as a minimum).
2. As in other countries that have gone down this path, the definition of "assault weapon" will most certainly broaden to include first: pump action shotguns, semi-auto shot guns, lever action rifles and other non-AR semi-auto rifles; second: calibers greater than .40 third: calibers greater than .30 fourth: semi-auto pistols fifth: calibers greater than .22.
At that point, 10 maybe 30 years after l*****ts take control, the people will be left unable to effectively resist the will of a dictatorial government 75 maybe 100 years from now.

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Sep 15, 2019 16:48:37   #
Oldsalt
 
woodguru wrote:
The fight by the hard right, and I say hard right, is that anything is a slippery slope. They object to anything and everything...that is going down like a porn star fluffer. Moderate republicans, and there are a lot of them agree with the middle of the road, background checks that include police reports, mental health, histories of violence and anger issues.

So the dialog is about what is reasonable, if you are part of the pure opposition that fights against everything you will not have a voice, this will be done without you.

The ground that needs to be discussed are the things that can make differences, it isn't about anything being able to completely eliminate mass murders, it's about the things that can make a difference.

Background checks along with a wait period sufficient to check databases, that's the common sense ground that is being reported as having support out at as high as 90%. Ground for debate exists with what does background checks include... Those databases should include...
...police reporting of domestic violence reports, restraining orders, and general red f**g behavior
...felonies

Red f**g laws, which allow the police and FBI to intervene when unhinged behavior and threats are reported or detected on social media.

Magazine size limits, they actually are effective in that they make it harder to carry larger numbers of mags that have only ten shots in them. Their effectiveness is curtailed whe they are limited in some states but not others. Everyone I know that wants 20/30/and even 40 round mags has them because it's easy enough to get them in Nevada.

I am a gun owner, I recently bought an AR in a tiny caliber (.204 Ruger) for coyote and target shooting. I am against people being forced to give up an array of assault oriented rifles, I favor the approach California took when they banned assault rifles It banned new ones. It was later relaxed to a standard of safety features and magazine size limits, also better than a forced taking of all of them, that is a line too far. I oppose total bans and prefer allowing the modified ARs that are available in california, although total bans are what they are as long as they don't come with being forced to turn in existing ones, mine is a custom super accurate one that cost $2500. California did not try to take people's AR's when they banned them, they grandfathered in the ones people already owned.

The right rants on about the government wanting to take our guns, it's not all of them so that is a fear mongering rhetoric. The country has a long history of having bans on different military grade weapons, also things such as fully automatic and suppressors, which are prohibited in many states.

Rather than talking about the negative and what you are afraid is a slippery slope, talk about what is reasonable and acceptable to you. I'm curious how many people on the right will say what's acceptable, although I know that to say so is to be labeled by the hard right as a t*****r.
The fight by the hard right, and I say hard right,... (show quote)


Wood guru, you are a fool if you believe that they (the liberal left) would stop at anything other than a full and complete disarmament of the US population. It is not about saving lives, or stopping mass shootings...it’s about population control. If you give them an inch they will take a mile. If it were really about safety and saving lives the laws that are currently on the books would be enforced, but they’re not. If every time a prohibited person who tried to purchase a gun were prosecuted there would have been nearly 8 million i*****l a***ns prosecuted in 2017...it’s a felony for someone who is prohibited to attempt to purchase a gun. If the death penalty were enforced, and enforced promptly that would stop a hell of a lot of murders (with or without guns). No, I won’t give an inch of my rights up.

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Sep 15, 2019 17:15:59   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Oldsalt wrote:
Wood guru, you are a fool if you believe that they (the liberal left) would stop at anything other than a full and complete disarmament of the US population. It is not about saving lives, or stopping mass shootings...it’s about population control. If you give them an inch they will take a mile. If it were really about safety and saving lives the laws that are currently on the books would be enforced, but they’re not. If every time a prohibited person who tried to purchase a gun were prosecuted there would have been nearly 8 million i*****l a***ns prosecuted in 2017...it’s a felony for someone who is prohibited to attempt to purchase a gun. If the death penalty were enforced, and enforced promptly that would stop a hell of a lot of murders (with or without guns). No, I won’t give an inch of my rights up.
Wood guru, you are a fool if you believe that they... (show quote)


Bravo... you took the words right outta my mouth as it were!...Nor will I give up my rights! Thank you!

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Sep 15, 2019 17:30:24   #
Abel
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I don't know which side I'd fall on definitely not the left, but the right? I feel no allegiance there. Anyway, you're looking for the solution to mass shootings? Here are what I've seen and heard. In my Nam group after the Parkland shootings (I was soon to learn it was all staged by Soros) "We don't need gun control, kid control" was what one said. What did all of the mass shooters have in common? No support from family. Psychotropic drugs. Video games. Loners. You get the idea. Profiles would be helpful here. A 'see something say something' campaign might also be helpful. The Vegas shootings-staged. I'll bet you didn't expect this. I do have a serious side.
I don't know which side I'd fall on definitely not... (show quote)


Forget the "left, right s**t" and if you must take a side err on the side of common sense.

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Sep 15, 2019 17:31:22   #
zillaorange
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yes and social security will bankrupt the country.


Social Security is paid for by the workers. It's a purchased insurance policy !!! The politicians used it like a piggy bank !

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Sep 15, 2019 21:01:24   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
Childish statement. Social Security will not have enough funds for 100% payouts starting around 2034. So what’s your point.


More blather Just like trump--- You don't like him but you are like him

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Sep 15, 2019 21:58:19   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
More blather Just like trump--- You don't like him but you are like him


And your statement wasn't blather? You can't come up with a workable solution about guns so you throw out some other obscure non- factual statement then act butt hurt when called on it.

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Sep 15, 2019 22:01:47   #
Tug484
 
Gatsby wrote:
There is only one reasonable and sensible "gun policy", ENFORCE the laws that we do have.

Every year, Chicago confiscates, and "executes", 10,000 guns, and lets the 10,000 criminals

they were confiscated from, walk free; that is unreasonable and nonsensical.

When the path that you are on is not working, you need to change DIRECTION!

Prohibition of alcohol did not work, prohibition of illegal drugs does not work, it appears that you are

learning impaired, that might be a good place to start.
There is only one reasonable and sensible "gu... (show quote)



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Sep 15, 2019 22:13:56   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
And your statement wasn't blather? You can't come up with a workable solution about guns so you throw out some other obscure non- factual statement then act butt hurt when called on it.
Facts don't mean anything to you if they don't fit your biases

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Sep 15, 2019 22:17:38   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Facts don't mean anything to you if they don't fit your biases


Of course they do. How can I possibly be biased about social Security? You aren't making any sense. I am biased about the cavalier attitude many have about our Constitution and Rights. Makes me a Constitutionalist. There, are you satisfied?

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