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Sep 12, 2019 17:02:57   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/

You've Been Warned: Western Table Manners Are Now R****t

Heads up, everyone! There are new rules again, so I want everyone paying attention. Eating your food the way you've been taught to with forks and knives (because this is the West and it's what we do) is r****t and it hurts people who are still upset about colonization from hundreds of years ago. Writing in "Today's Parent," Joshana Maharaj is outraged, I tell you, just outraged that some teacher somewhere in Canada told a little girl not to eat rice with her hands.

This prompted her to write about learning how to eat around the world, where using hands is acceptable and how the West is just r****t by using utensils, or something.

Recently, I chatted with someone who told me a story about her young niece, who goes to a prestigious preschool and was eating rice with her hands at lunchtime. The feedback her parents received was that this child needed to work on her table manners and use proper cutlery to eat. I immediately felt a rush of anger bubble up inside me when I heard this. The message that eating food with your hands is an unmannered way to eat is a real problem for me because it is dripping with the control and shame of colonization, which is particularly dangerous in an educational context. Suggesting that a child who eats with her hands has no manners is an echo of European colonial powers looking to tame the wildness out of the people they controlled. These European table manners were imposed on conquered people in an attempt to “civilize” them. It’s a damaging message about right and wrong ways to do things. It positions the technique as superior and the people who practise it as setters of the standard, leaving those with a different approach to eating with a status of inferiority. The idea of a single standard of acceptable table manners is just one of a host of strategies used to grow and promote r****m. It’s a subtle message but one that is reinforced three times a day, every day, which makes it quite powerful.

Oh for crying out loud! For the most part in her essay, she explains that certain manners are for certain foods: chopsticks for sushi, and hands for naan, which makes sense and we do that in my house. But if you're in a Western prep school, you need to use the table manners of the West. It's not r****t. It's giving respect to the culture you're in. You're not in China. We eat rice with forks here in the West. If you are in China, then you probably want to put the fork down. I don't think this has anything to do with colonialism, but with respecting the culture you're in. "Recognizing diversity in cultural backgrounds and food traditions is essential, especially in a country as multicultural as Canada," wrote Maharaj, totally unironically.

The West has a culture. Forks are a big part of that. Isn't it funny how all cultures are "diverse" and worthy of respect except Western, European, Canadian, and American cultures?

I can't keep up with these people anymore and I don't want to.

Megan Fox is the author of “Believe Evidence; The Death of Due Process from Salome to #MeToo.” Follow on Twitter @MeganFoxWriter

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Sep 12, 2019 17:14:14   #
teabag09
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/

You've Been Warned: Western Table Manners Are Now R****t

Heads up, everyone! There are new rules again, so I want everyone paying attention. Eating your food the way you've been taught to with forks and knives (because this is the West and it's what we do) is r****t and it hurts people who are still upset about colonization from hundreds of years ago. Writing in "Today's Parent," Joshana Maharaj is outraged, I tell you, just outraged that some teacher somewhere in Canada told a little girl not to eat rice with her hands.

This prompted her to write about learning how to eat around the world, where using hands is acceptable and how the West is just r****t by using utensils, or something.

Recently, I chatted with someone who told me a story about her young niece, who goes to a prestigious preschool and was eating rice with her hands at lunchtime. The feedback her parents received was that this child needed to work on her table manners and use proper cutlery to eat. I immediately felt a rush of anger bubble up inside me when I heard this. The message that eating food with your hands is an unmannered way to eat is a real problem for me because it is dripping with the control and shame of colonization, which is particularly dangerous in an educational context. Suggesting that a child who eats with her hands has no manners is an echo of European colonial powers looking to tame the wildness out of the people they controlled. These European table manners were imposed on conquered people in an attempt to “civilize” them. It’s a damaging message about right and wrong ways to do things. It positions the technique as superior and the people who practise it as setters of the standard, leaving those with a different approach to eating with a status of inferiority. The idea of a single standard of acceptable table manners is just one of a host of strategies used to grow and promote r****m. It’s a subtle message but one that is reinforced three times a day, every day, which makes it quite powerful.

Oh for crying out loud! For the most part in her essay, she explains that certain manners are for certain foods: chopsticks for sushi, and hands for naan, which makes sense and we do that in my house. But if you're in a Western prep school, you need to use the table manners of the West. It's not r****t. It's giving respect to the culture you're in. You're not in China. We eat rice with forks here in the West. If you are in China, then you probably want to put the fork down. I don't think this has anything to do with colonialism, but with respecting the culture you're in. "Recognizing diversity in cultural backgrounds and food traditions is essential, especially in a country as multicultural as Canada," wrote Maharaj, totally unironically.

The West has a culture. Forks are a big part of that. Isn't it funny how all cultures are "diverse" and worthy of respect except Western, European, Canadian, and American cultures?

I can't keep up with these people anymore and I don't want to.

Megan Fox is the author of “Believe Evidence; The Death of Due Process from Salome to #MeToo.” Follow on Twitter @MeganFoxWriter
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/... (show quote)


I have tremors and can't eat rice with a fork without covering everyone at the table with it so I use a spoon and two hands. It's just being courteous to those around me. Mike

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Sep 12, 2019 17:33:09   #
Radiance3
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/

You've Been Warned: Western Table Manners Are Now R****t

Heads up, everyone! There are new rules again, so I want everyone paying attention. Eating your food the way you've been taught to with forks and knives (because this is the West and it's what we do) is r****t and it hurts people who are still upset about colonization from hundreds of years ago. Writing in "Today's Parent," Joshana Maharaj is outraged, I tell you, just outraged that some teacher somewhere in Canada told a little girl not to eat rice with her hands.

This prompted her to write about learning how to eat around the world, where using hands is acceptable and how the West is just r****t by using utensils, or something.

Recently, I chatted with someone who told me a story about her young niece, who goes to a prestigious preschool and was eating rice with her hands at lunchtime. The feedback her parents received was that this child needed to work on her table manners and use proper cutlery to eat. I immediately felt a rush of anger bubble up inside me when I heard this. The message that eating food with your hands is an unmannered way to eat is a real problem for me because it is dripping with the control and shame of colonization, which is particularly dangerous in an educational context. Suggesting that a child who eats with her hands has no manners is an echo of European colonial powers looking to tame the wildness out of the people they controlled. These European table manners were imposed on conquered people in an attempt to “civilize” them. It’s a damaging message about right and wrong ways to do things. It positions the technique as superior and the people who practise it as setters of the standard, leaving those with a different approach to eating with a status of inferiority. The idea of a single standard of acceptable table manners is just one of a host of strategies used to grow and promote r****m. It’s a subtle message but one that is reinforced three times a day, every day, which makes it quite powerful.

Oh for crying out loud! For the most part in her essay, she explains that certain manners are for certain foods: chopsticks for sushi, and hands for naan, which makes sense and we do that in my house. But if you're in a Western prep school, you need to use the table manners of the West. It's not r****t. It's giving respect to the culture you're in. You're not in China. We eat rice with forks here in the West. If you are in China, then you probably want to put the fork down. I don't think this has anything to do with colonialism, but with respecting the culture you're in. "Recognizing diversity in cultural backgrounds and food traditions is essential, especially in a country as multicultural as Canada," wrote Maharaj, totally unironically.

The West has a culture. Forks are a big part of that. Isn't it funny how all cultures are "diverse" and worthy of respect except Western, European, Canadian, and American cultures?

I can't keep up with these people anymore and I don't want to.

Megan Fox is the author of “Believe Evidence; The Death of Due Process from Salome to #MeToo.” Follow on Twitter @MeganFoxWriter
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/... (show quote)

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With different assessments of table manners. Let us consider these.
Those people who were raised and born the Western style. English people are very particular with table manners.
Those immigrants and their children who brought their culture without assimilating the Western styles.
Those mixed culture who did not learn table manners but the way they felt comforatble.

We must appreciate the culture of the West, there were trained to behave and do. It is part of their lifestyle. We must respect that.

Those immigrants who brought their own culture and thought to their kids. We can tolerate that without being discriminated or insulted.

Those mixture of immigrants and the West learned their own ways, they can do what ever they were trained.

I think in a formal setting, why not learn and assimilate the West about table manners. I think it puts lots of respect at the table manners and the audience around.

We must consider also the kind of foods we are eating.

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Sep 12, 2019 17:49:08   #
Mikeyavelli
 
AuntiE wrote:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/

You've Been Warned: Western Table Manners Are Now R****t

Heads up, everyone! There are new rules again, so I want everyone paying attention. Eating your food the way you've been taught to with forks and knives (because this is the West and it's what we do) is r****t and it hurts people who are still upset about colonization from hundreds of years ago. Writing in "Today's Parent," Joshana Maharaj is outraged, I tell you, just outraged that some teacher somewhere in Canada told a little girl not to eat rice with her hands.

This prompted her to write about learning how to eat around the world, where using hands is acceptable and how the West is just r****t by using utensils, or something.

Recently, I chatted with someone who told me a story about her young niece, who goes to a prestigious preschool and was eating rice with her hands at lunchtime. The feedback her parents received was that this child needed to work on her table manners and use proper cutlery to eat. I immediately felt a rush of anger bubble up inside me when I heard this. The message that eating food with your hands is an unmannered way to eat is a real problem for me because it is dripping with the control and shame of colonization, which is particularly dangerous in an educational context. Suggesting that a child who eats with her hands has no manners is an echo of European colonial powers looking to tame the wildness out of the people they controlled. These European table manners were imposed on conquered people in an attempt to “civilize” them. It’s a damaging message about right and wrong ways to do things. It positions the technique as superior and the people who practise it as setters of the standard, leaving those with a different approach to eating with a status of inferiority. The idea of a single standard of acceptable table manners is just one of a host of strategies used to grow and promote r****m. It’s a subtle message but one that is reinforced three times a day, every day, which makes it quite powerful.

Oh for crying out loud! For the most part in her essay, she explains that certain manners are for certain foods: chopsticks for sushi, and hands for naan, which makes sense and we do that in my house. But if you're in a Western prep school, you need to use the table manners of the West. It's not r****t. It's giving respect to the culture you're in. You're not in China. We eat rice with forks here in the West. If you are in China, then you probably want to put the fork down. I don't think this has anything to do with colonialism, but with respecting the culture you're in. "Recognizing diversity in cultural backgrounds and food traditions is essential, especially in a country as multicultural as Canada," wrote Maharaj, totally unironically.

The West has a culture. Forks are a big part of that. Isn't it funny how all cultures are "diverse" and worthy of respect except Western, European, Canadian, and American cultures?

I can't keep up with these people anymore and I don't want to.

Megan Fox is the author of “Believe Evidence; The Death of Due Process from Salome to #MeToo.” Follow on Twitter @MeganFoxWriter
https://pjmedia.com/trending/forks-are-r****t-fyi/... (show quote)


Any means to denigrate western culture. We are under attack for everything that is uniquely American, even our history is being rewritten, as any culture experienced upon being infiltrated or conquered by another culture.
I will now demand a knife, fork, and spoon on those rare occasions when I eat "Chinese ", which encompasses a lot of Asian restaurants.
Let this person go out and eat with xer hands. The offense will be all xers.
Live in America, live like an American.

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Sep 13, 2019 08:03:36   #
Big dog
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Any means to denigrate western culture. We are under attack for everything that is uniquely American, even our history is being rewritten, as any culture experienced upon being infiltrated or conquered by another culture.
I will now demand a knife, fork, and spoon on those rare occasions when I eat "Chinese ", which encompasses a lot of Asian restaurants.
Let this person go out and eat with xer hands. The offense will be all xers.
Live in America, live like an American.
Any means to denigrate western culture. We are un... (show quote)


Leave it up to the dementiacrats and snow flakes and we’ll all be eating our soup with a knife!

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Sep 13, 2019 08:38:45   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Big dog wrote:
Leave it up to the dementiacrats and snow flakes and we’ll all be eating our soup with a knife!


Stone soup at that.

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Sep 13, 2019 11:38:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Any means to denigrate western culture. We are under attack for everything that is uniquely American, even our history is being rewritten, as any culture experienced upon being infiltrated or conquered by another culture.
I will now demand a knife, fork, and spoon on those rare occasions when I eat "Chinese ", which encompasses a lot of Asian restaurants.
Let this person go out and eat with xer hands. The offense will be all xers.
Live in America, live like an American.
Any means to denigrate western culture. We are un... (show quote)



Mikey,,, the Asian restaurant we go to , you have to ask for chop sticks if you want them..

As for only attacking western or American culture, would you or I hear about someone ranting about how to eat in any other part of the world?

I think we hear about criticism when it is directed at us and not when it is directed at other cultures..

Did you ever see "Lawrence of Arabia"? They have a short scene where several men all eat rice with the hands. From the same large bowl..

I would skip that, given a choice..

Now, as Dog mentions, eating soup with a knife could be a fun challenge..

I find the use of fork, spoon and knife most handy..

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Sep 13, 2019 11:51:26   #
Radiance3
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Any means to denigrate western culture. We are under attack for everything that is uniquely American, even our history is being rewritten, as any culture experienced upon being infiltrated or conquered by another culture.
I will now demand a knife, fork, and spoon on those rare occasions when I eat "Chinese ", which encompasses a lot of Asian restaurants.
Let this person go out and eat with xer hands. The offense will be all xers.
Live in America, live like an American.
Any means to denigrate western culture. We are un... (show quote)


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While in Rome, do as the Romans do. A proverb of Saint Ambrose of Milan.

So those rugheads must remove their head scarps. They can put it back when they return to their land.

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Sep 13, 2019 15:22:17   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
Mikey,,, the Asian restaurant we go to , you have to ask for chop sticks if you want them..

As for only attacking western or American culture, would you or I hear about someone ranting about how to eat in any other part of the world?

I think we hear about criticism when it is directed at us and not when it is directed at other cultures..

Did you ever see "Lawrence of Arabia"? They have a short scene where several men all eat rice with the hands. From the same large bowl..

I would skip that, given a choice..

Now, as Dog mentions, eating soup with a knife could be a fun challenge..

I find the use of fork, spoon and knife most handy..
Mikey,,, the Asian restaurant we go to , you have ... (show quote)


👍 Our culinary manners are intact. 🤗

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Sep 13, 2019 15:55:21   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
👍 Our culinary manners are intact. 🤗


As long as it does not slow down the food, I am good with that...

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Sep 13, 2019 16:04:27   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
As long as it does not slow down the food, I am good with that...


Yeah, if you don't have to wash up afterwards you didn't eat. 😋

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Sep 13, 2019 16:05:19   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Yeah, if you don't have to wash up afterwards you didn't eat. 😋



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Sep 13, 2019 16:14:22   #
woodguru
 
I lived with an asian woman from Thailand, they have dishes in bowls that have rice and noodles, try eating that stuff with chopsticks, they solved it, put the bowl up to your mouth and shovel it in with the chopsticks. Worked for me.

That said someone with foreign eating traits should be teaching their kids how to adapt to western standards. If you were in another country you would probably adapt to their ways or at least be aware of them.

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Sep 13, 2019 17:32:16   #
Mikeyavelli
 
woodguru wrote:
I lived with an asian woman from Thailand, they have dishes in bowls that have rice and noodles, try eating that stuff with chopsticks, they solved it, put the bowl up to your mouth and shovel it in with the chopsticks. Worked for me.

That said someone with foreign eating traits should be teaching their kids how to adapt to western standards. If you were in another country you would probably adapt to their ways or at least be aware of them.


Assimilate. That is the problem now with most immigrants. They move to America and maintain the culture, language, cuisine, habits, and morals from whence they came.
These are not good Americans.

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Sep 13, 2019 17:52:41   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Assimilate. That is the problem now with most immigrants. They move to America and maintain the culture, language, cuisine, habits, and morals from whence they came.
These are not good Americans.



Mikey, not so sure we need to worry about that..

I am a 3rd generation guy and my gramma was born in Norway and most of the people in NW minnesota also came from northern or eastern Europe near the turn of the 20th century..

we Norsk, ate lefse, pigs feet, Lutifisk, and some really horrible stuff that came over with them.

Same for the Polish, Finns, Swedes and others..

At home most talked the language of the old country..

But we, the 3rd generation became the Americans we seem to wish everyone was like..

Probably with time, these newbies will also be the normal Americans we desire..

that idea is shown in the Hmong that are now 2nd and a young 3rd generation..

It seem to me that the same will happen with all the new migrants..

that does not mean we should let anyone slide if the do not follow the law, but I do not see this as a long term problem..



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