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Sep 11, 2019 21:32:55   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
Buford, I'm afraid he is getting way beyond his job or actual authority in terms of abusing his authority with ridiculous claims of executive privilege that is legally non existent.

He sees himself as the one that calls the shots that congress and the senate call by law...

His "job" is to either sign or veto anything he doesn't like, not to tell the senate whether to vote on bipartisan bills that are before them.


The president has the right to tell them what changes he wants in a bill. Now you claim ex privilege is not legal where did you get these crazy ideas. The president is the chief executive officer of the united states.

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Sep 11, 2019 22:19:40   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
vernon wrote:
The president has the right to tell them what changes he wants in a bill. Now you claim ex privilege is not legal where did you get these crazy ideas. The president is the chief executive officer of the united states.


I was referring to the many claims his ex staffers have made of a nebulous executive privilege that is not a legal thing. When congress wants to question a staffer concerning potential crimes there is no executive privilege in that circumstance. When congress wants to talk to a white house attorney about crimes such as obstruction, there is no executive privilege for two reasons.

First
The white house counsel represents the government in an advisory capacity to the president as pertains to what is legal for a president to do from the perspective of the government and country being their client, not the president. The president is not their client nor is their loyalty to him required, their loyalty is to representing the interests of the government.
Second
If congress is looking into a crime such as obstruction, there would be no client privilege or valid executive privilege for the president. Client attorney privilege is out the window in the case of testifying about criminal activities.

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Sep 12, 2019 09:03:40   #
padremike (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Buford, I'm afraid he is getting way beyond his job or actual authority in terms of abusing his authority with ridiculous claims of executive privilege that is legally non existent.

He sees himself as the one that calls the shots that congress and the senate call by law...

His "job" is to either sign or veto anything he doesn't like, not to tell the senate whether to vote on bipartisan bills that are before them.


Do you recall the over use of Obama's executive privilege? On one occasion he admitted it was unlawful and would be overturned. You cannot cite a single instance where Trump used EP that was not in the general interest of the nation. However, that did not stop Progressives from judge shopping to get temporary restraining orders - not on legitimate merit but simply to not allow Trump to govern.

I suggest, since you are much better informed, that you offer your time and talent to Trump and tell him what he can and cannot do as president. And you suggest that Trump is arrogent?

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Sep 12, 2019 12:15:25   #
TrueAmerican (a regular here)
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The Congress abrogated it's responsibilities years ago. Hell, when the GOP controlled both chambers, even Obama got away with shit he shouldn't have.


Have you married a conservative, taken the red pill or something, this is the second time today I agree with you

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Sep 12, 2019 13:32:59   #
Peewee (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Buford, I'm afraid he is getting way beyond his job or actual authority in terms of abusing his authority with ridiculous claims of executive privilege that is legally non existent.

He sees himself as the one that calls the shots that congress and the senate call by law...

His "job" is to either sign or veto anything he doesn't like, not to tell the senate whether to vote on bipartisan bills that are before them.


Do you really believe that Obama and Reid never talked to one another on how to pass their bills?

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Sep 12, 2019 13:58:39   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Gatsby wrote:
Use what you have, before you ask for more!

The FBI lists 11 categories that should keep offenders from buying weapons including committing
any felony, being adjudicated for mental illness or having a drug conviction.

The NICS system requires state and local agencies as well as the military to accurately report
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records with no consequences for failing to follow federal law.

Enter the SCOTUS: The requirement that states upload this information constitutes an
"Unfunded Mandate", and thus cannot be enforced.
Use what you have, before you ask for more! br br... (show quote)


Exactly, fund it, pass the bills in the house and make McConnell let the senate vote. Put these bills on the president's desk where they belong and let him take the heat for defying what the majority of americans want.

McConnell has it wrong, he doesn't craft legislation to fit what the president wants when he doesn't know what he wants in the first place. The house and senate does the work, and the president is free to suggest the changes he would need to see for him to sign it if he refuses. The senate is not only running interference for the president so he doesn't offend his minority base, McConnell doesn't want to open the floodgates of GOP members supporting good legislation when Moscow Mitch is still in obstruction mode.

Many of the bipartisan bills the senate is sitting on would get large numbers of republican votes, election security bills for one category.

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Sep 12, 2019 14:16:24   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Peewee wrote:
Do you really believe that Obama and Reid never talked to one another on how to pass their bills?


Of course they did, but at this point the senate should be in the same position as the house is, doing the work that needs to be done, let the president take the heat for favoring industries and lobbyists.

McConnell has true power over the president, not the other way around, especially in light of the fact that Trump can and does change his mind from Monday to Wednesday. McConnell is in charge of a body of elected senators that are put there by people to represent what is in their best interests.

I do not understand how a base can be so stupid as to not have a problem with the kind of blanket obstruction one man in charge of the senate is doing. The right rails against a government that does nothing, then when we finally have a house that is passing bipartisan bills for a change, the senate stands out as the sole broken part of government. The house isn't wasting it's time on bills that come through as purely partisan that will be rightly blocked in the senate the same way. They are making an effort to work on bills that the GOP can vote on in both the house and senate so that the senate is forced to respond rather than be able to say they refuse to vote on purely partisan garbage.

I called that when dems took the house before they started doing anything...I said that Pelosi was going to work on good bills that were going to get solid support from moderate republicans, that hitting the senate with an array of bills that are popular with people was going to expose the split in the senate GOP between teaparty hardliners and moderates that are there to get things done. McConnell does not want his total control broken like that.

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Sep 12, 2019 14:34:01   #
Louie27 (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


By bipartisan, you must mean at least on Republican voted the way of Dems. So in your view no Democrats have ever obstructed any bill? Where is it written that the House should never be controlled by the same party the has the Presidency? All so to your point of holding a certain grope accountable, then the Senate should hold the House accountable by not voting on some bills that have been passed by the House. I guess that means there are checks and balances, not approved by the Democratic House members.

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Sep 12, 2019 15:14:56   #
Auntie Lulu (a regular here)
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The Congress abrogated it's responsibilities years ago. Hell, when the GOP controlled both chambers, even Obama got away with shit he shouldn't have.


Absolutely correct! You would think that our employees in Congress are only there to serve their own interests {Sarc}

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Sep 12, 2019 15:25:40   #
Peewee (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Of course they did, but at this point the senate should be in the same position as the house is, doing the work that needs to be done, let the president take the heat for favoring industries and lobbyists.

McConnell has true power over the president, not the other way around, especially in light of the fact that Trump can and does change his mind from Monday to Wednesday. McConnell is in charge of a body of elected senators that are put there by people to represent what is in their best interests.

I do not understand how a base can be so stupid as to not have a problem with the kind of blanket obstruction one man in charge of the senate is doing. The right rails against a government that does nothing, then when we finally have a house that is passing bipartisan bills for a change, the senate stands out as the sole broken part of government. The house isn't wasting it's time on bills that come through as purely partisan that will be rightly blocked in the senate the same way. They are making an effort to work on bills that the GOP can vote on in both the house and senate so that the senate is forced to respond rather than be able to say they refuse to vote on purely partisan garbage.

I called that when dems took the house before they started doing anything...I said that Pelosi was going to work on good bills that were going to get solid support from moderate republicans, that hitting the senate with an array of bills that are popular with people was going to expose the split in the senate GOP between teaparty hardliners and moderates that are there to get things done. McConnell does not want his total control broken like that.
Of course they did, but at this point the senate s... (show quote)


The House and Senate have two different functions. The House should mostly be young, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed and a tad idealistic with a few older people to steer things who know the constitution and rules. and are working for their states. The Senate should be full of people who have accomplished things both in civilian life and politics know the constitution and rules and work for both their states and the nation as a whole. They are two wings of the same bird, the eagle, or America. It should never be about accumulating power or advancing one's career. But that isn't human nature. The Senators bump heads with Mitch all the time from both sides. The only time I've seen him getting a lot of support is after Trump won. Pelosi has held the gavel off and on for a long time and with an iron fist. Only since the squad showed up has she encountered very much resistance? Both sides have their pedophiles, sexual harasser, drunks, and sellouts.
The left has veered too far left at this moment in history. If I was a Senator I'd sit on all their bills until they moved to the center. Which they don't seem inclined to do. I consider them a greater danger to our nation and way of life than the right. You may not see it or admit it, but they want to fundamentally transform America too and water down and strip us of our rights. We can't allow that. A look at any state or city run by the left is a mess. That should by itself be enough evidence to vote them out of office before they cause a civil war. Unless you want a civil war and want to surrender your rights.

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Sep 12, 2019 15:34:14   #
Tug484 (a regular here)
 
Peewee wrote:
The House and Senate have two different functions. The House should mostly be young, bright-eyed, bushy-tailed and a tad idealistic with a few older people to steer things who know the constitution and rules. and are working for their states. The Senate should be full of people who have accomplished things both in civilian life and politics know the constitution and rules and work for both their states and the nation as a whole. They are two wings of the same bird, the eagle, or America. It should never be about accumulating power or advancing one's career. But that isn't human nature. The Senators bump heads with Mitch all the time from both sides. The only time I've seen him getting a lot of support is after Trump won. Pelosi has held the gavel off and on for a long time and with an iron fist. Only since the squad showed up has she encountered very much resistance? Both sides have their pedophiles, sexual harasser, drunks, and sellouts.
The left has veered too far left at this moment in history. If I was a Senator I'd sit on all their bills until they moved to the center. Which they don't seem inclined to do. I consider them a greater danger to our nation and way of life than the right. You may not see it or admit it, but they want to fundamentally transform America too and water down and strip us of our rights. We can't allow that. A look at any state or city run by the left is a mess. That should by itself be enough evidence to vote them out of office before they cause a civil war. Unless you want a civil war and want to surrender your rights.
The House and Senate have two different functions.... (show quote)



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Sep 12, 2019 16:26:34   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret. (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


What is wrong is the house isn't doing its job, it ever has (resist, remember?). I think theSenate is waiting until after 2020 otherwise who knows. They really all are corrupt.

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Sep 13, 2019 10:44:16   #
Gatsby (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Exactly, fund it, pass the bills in the house and make McConnell let the senate vote. Put these bills on the president's desk where they belong and let him take the heat for defying what the majority of americans want.

McConnell has it wrong, he doesn't craft legislation to fit what the president wants when he doesn't know what he wants in the first place. The house and senate does the work, and the president is free to suggest the changes he would need to see for him to sign it if he refuses. The senate is not only running interference for the president so he doesn't offend his minority base, McConnell doesn't want to open the floodgates of GOP members supporting good legislation when Moscow Mitch is still in obstruction mode.

Many of the bipartisan bills the senate is sitting on would get large numbers of republican votes, election security bills for one category.
Exactly, fund it, pass the bills in the house and ... (show quote)


The House has not funded any law at this point, until they do, they have done nothing of substance!

The same holds true of election security, we have plenty of laws, but no enforcement!

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