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Sep 11, 2019 18:05:50   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.

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Sep 11, 2019 18:09:57   #
Tug484 (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


I think all the Dems bills need to be put in file 13...the trash can.
That bill they recently put forward sounds like it protects our religious freedom, but that's far from the truth.

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Sep 11, 2019 18:29:30   #
lpnmajor (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


The Congress abrogated it's responsibilities years ago. Hell, when the GOP controlled both chambers, even Obama got away with shit he shouldn't have.

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Sep 11, 2019 18:36:23   #
padremike (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


Do you remember your totally unscrupulous and criminal Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid doing the same thing? Reid was a scoundrel and shelved legislation beneficial to the nation. Progressives in the House promote legislation beneficial to their politics and lower. Chip it in stone.

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Sep 11, 2019 18:46:41   #
Tug484 (a regular here)
 
padremike wrote:
Do you remember your totally unscrupulous and criminal Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid doing the same thing? Reid was a scoundrel and shelved legislation beneficial to the nation. Progressives in the House promote legislation beneficial to their politics and lower. Chip it in stone.



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Sep 11, 2019 18:57:52   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Tug484 wrote:
I think all the Dems bills need to be put in file 13...the trash can.
That bill they recently put forward sounds like it protects our religious freedom, but that's far from the truth.


There's no way you can intelligently categorize every bill dems passed the way you did. My guess is you have no clue as to how many are actually bipartisan, and would pass the senate as well with strong support...

which reminds me, there are bills on election security that nobody could possibly say are dem junk, they are important to both parties and a mystery as to why the senate and white house itself opposes them.

The senate was going to pass a bill on election security, and was told by the white house to pull it, which McConnell did.

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Sep 11, 2019 18:59:34   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
padremike wrote:
Do you remember your totally unscrupulous and criminal Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid doing the same thing? Reid was a scoundrel and shelved legislation beneficial to the nation. Progressives in the House promote legislation beneficial to their politics and lower. Chip it in stone.


Yes, same thing to a far smaller degree, Reid can't touch the total obstruction McConnell is running...

Not to mention that doesn't make this right.

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Sep 11, 2019 19:11:06   #
ImLogicallyRight (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


As usual, you get it wrong. I'll just point out one simple obvious comment.

"except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Sounds exactly like the Democrats in obama first year. Back then it was called the Affordable Care Act. Remember Nancy Pelosi saying something almost exactly like this, 'We have to pass it in order to find out what is in it.' Probably the single most stupid thing said in Congress until the Odd Squad showed up. And then she and the Democrat Senate jammed it through even bribing a few Senators.

So, tell us, did you complain about that or are you the one sided, excessively biased hate filled individual you show yourself to be?

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Sep 11, 2019 19:23:02   #
padremike (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Yes, same thing to a far smaller degree, Reid can't touch the total obstruction McConnell is running...

Not to mention that doesn't make this right.


Obviously you don't remember!

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Sep 11, 2019 19:30:35   #
Liberty Tree (a regular here)
 
padremike wrote:
Obviously you don't remember!


He does not want to remember nor does he really know the constitution and want it followed.

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Sep 11, 2019 19:45:12   #
Gatsby (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


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Not enough yet? Why doesn't the ATF even bother to notify state authorities,

when prohibited persons attempt to by a firearm in their state?

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Sep 11, 2019 19:54:00   #
vernon (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do the work of either the house or senate. In fact the president is fairly irrelevant to the process of elected senators and representatives representing the people that put them in office. Their oath and responsibilities are to the constitution and representing the people who put them in office, not the president.

It is obvious to many that the house under democrat's control is finally getting bipartisan bills passed. Prior to dems taking over the GOP was doing exactly what the current senate is doing, blocking and obstructing everything that came up, nothing was getting done except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Now the president has no control over the house, which is the way it is supposed to be, and in fact congress is trying to exert it's role as the oversight on the president that it is supposed to be according to the constitution. Apparently as represented by Moscow Mitch, he is incapable of doing his job without the president telling him what he will sign. This is truly idiotic considering the number of times the president says he will back a bill, the senate makes it so, and then won't back it because lobbyists or FOX rebuked him.

The senate has the job of looking at bills passed over from the house, debating their merits, making any changes they want in order to back it, and either sending it back to the house to be modified accordingly or take a vote. It then goes to the president where he can do whatever he thinks he needs to do...but here is the part where the senate served the people by making their representation visible to the people that put them in office, thereby being held accountable. When it goes to the president he better have a really good reason for not signing a bill that was created by the people by proxy of representatives of the house and senate. This is the part of the process where the president's actions become part of the people who put him in office being able to see if he is properly representing their best interests and whether he will be reelected or voted out.

McConnell needs to do the job the senate was elected to do, and let the president do the job he was elected to do.
This is not Trump's decision or up to him to do th... (show quote)


Oh mister blow hard you can bet your biffy Trump will do his job. Trump is there to do a job and it just kills you that he does it.

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Sep 11, 2019 19:58:23   #
vernon (a regular here)
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
As usual, you get it wrong. I'll just point out one simple obvious comment.

"except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Sounds exactly like the Democrats in obama first year. Back then it was called the Affordable Care Act. Remember Nancy Pelosi saying something almost exactly like this, 'We have to pass it in order to find out what is in it.' Probably the single most stupid thing said in Congress until the Odd Squad showed up. And then she and the Democrat Senate jammed it through even bribing a few Senators.

So, tell us, did you complain about that or are you the one sided, excessively biased hate filled individual you show yourself to be?
As usual, you get it wrong. I'll just point out on... (show quote)


OH HE IS.

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Sep 11, 2019 21:10:36   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
As usual, you get it wrong. I'll just point out one simple obvious comment.

"except highly partisan bills like tax cuts that had to be jammed through ignoring all forms of procedure and protocol for such critical changes that people should have had a say on.

Sounds exactly like the Democrats in obama first year. Back then it was called the Affordable Care Act. Remember Nancy Pelosi saying something almost exactly like this, 'We have to pass it in order to find out what is in it.' Probably the single most stupid thing said in Congress until the Odd Squad showed up. And then she and the Democrat Senate jammed it through even bribing a few Senators.

So, tell us, did you complain about that or are you the one sided, excessively biased hate filled individual you show yourself to be?
As usual, you get it wrong. I'll just point out on... (show quote)


Do you have any idea of the time that was eaten up by the GOP negotiating the ACA? How many times they delayed and promised to work on ideas, how many times they ran procedural clocks out without making any promised progress? Are you aware of how involved as a part of the process the CBO was in terms of hard work assessing projected costs of variations?

This is how it is supposed to be done, a slow deliberative process that analyzes the ideas and gives people a chance to let their elected officials know whether they support it or not.

The GOP jammed the tax cuts through, they left no time for CBO revue, no time to see what was in the bill, changes made by lobbyists were written in the margins right before it was "voted" on. It was 100% predictable that the cuts would have a cost that increased the deficit and debt. Done in the deliberative way it should have been done it would have never passed any scrutiny, it would have been dead on arrival as it should have been. It was apparent within a week that this was one of the sloppiest bills ever created on the fly.

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Sep 11, 2019 21:18:54   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
vernon wrote:
Oh mister blow hard you can bet your biffy Trump will do his job. Trump is there to do a job and it just kills you that he does it.


Buford, I'm afraid he is getting way beyond his job or actual authority in terms of abusing his authority with ridiculous claims of executive privilege that is legally non existent.

He sees himself as the one that calls the shots that congress and the senate call by law...

His "job" is to either sign or veto anything he doesn't like, not to tell the senate whether to vote on bipartisan bills that are before them.

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