rumitoid

Yawn. Get a little more clever, that was pathetic.

rumitoid

What does the Far Right feed you? Besides tasty barbecued Propaganda. Yum, when will you eat some real Lefties? Do you understand that what you spew as facts are baseless accusations fed to you by your agent. If I am wrong, please provide sites or some evidence supporting your accusations, and if you cannot, leave the Dark Side.

Seth

I don't need sites, I've been living in America for over 6 decades. I see with my own eyes what your side of the political equation is doing, the before/after difference between then and now.

I don't know how long you've been around, how you've earned (or not) your living nor where you've lived and worked, or how old you are, but if you don't see the negative results of the far left's influence on the Democratic Party without help from a website, you're either in your twenties or below or simply naive.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

...Or something more nefarious, don’t rule out that option.

PS, to Rumi and anyone interested, I’m working on a response of my own to Rumi’s allegations against me. Stay tuned...

Rose42

Wrong. And yes your claim is utterly ridiculous.

You have demonstrated before you don’t know the bible, you said we don’t need it, its a childrens book and its not the true word of God. Yet here you are trying to use Christ to support your political leanings. You are just like the prosperity gospel preachers who also claim many things are in the bible.

I used no ‘right wing propaganda’. That was a nonthinking, hyper partisan reaction on your part.

Seth

Give it to him with "both barrels."

rumitoid

72. Or if I were a kid, 72 and a half. Yes, there are definitely bad things that come from the far Left's influence, and equally from the Far Right for your party. Democrats have not made a central space for its fringes while Republicans have embraced them and even have a name: The Tea Party. And newer elements, encouraged by the negative rhetoric of Trump about Muslims and immigrants, have a chair at the table: White Nationalists. Good and bad on both sides. Yet you guys like to think you are the party of purity and wisdom while the other party you view as the minions of Satan or disloyal C****es. You make it hard to have an honest and useful conversation on policies.

rumitoid

With bated breath.... This may keep you from thinking of new insults and defamation of character about me, which will only be a pause, I suspect.

rumitoid

Because you do not understand my comments on the Bible, your objections are pure. I get that. Let me explain one of those comments in a little more depth and if your opinion hasn't changed about me not knowing the Bible, which I have assiduously studied for over thirty years and read countless scholarly books on it, I will produce a Mea Culpa thread and admit I have been an apostate.

Wait! One comment before I continue. I have never said the Bible wasn't true but I have said it was not the word of God but a test from God. I overstated to dramatize my point. All I meant to emphasize is that the Bible is more of a challenge, a test, than it is to be blindly believed. We are meant to be interactive with it, not slavish librarians of its verses. The verses are there to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians2:12) and not just believe dogma and doctrine.

The point I was making about the Bible being a "children's book" you totally misunderstood; it was not insulting or blasphemous. Here is where that statement comes from: "And he said: 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.' (Matthew8:3) Get it now or need more explanation? You have to be as Jesus said, as a little child to comprehend his words and act in his name...or "you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Hope you understand. The phrase was simply to get your attention, which it did but not in a good way.

Rose42

Intellectual knowledge - particularly from secular scholars - does not give one wisdom or discernment.



You said the bible wasn’t the true word of God. Those were your words. You can’t explain that away and your argument isn’t strengthened by implying others are blind believers.



I knew where it came from. Its Matt 18:3. And you have the meaning and context wrong. In verse 1 Jesus was asked “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” Jesus meant take the lowly position of a child.

You’ve been critical of the bible before - dismissing Proverbs as shallow when there are lessons within lessons, describing God as cruel and a narcissist, your remarks about Abraham. I don’t know whats made you so bitter but thats something you have to work through.

rumitoid

Sigh....

Seth

You actually miss my main "gripe" about the left.

Debeda posted a video on another thread wherein a Canadian woman sums it all up very succinctly:

The left won't leave the rest of us alone.

Your side forces acceptance of things we consider repulsive, evil or simply wrong down our throats and then wants to make us pay for it, and knowing that most parents wouldn't want their young children exposed to certain of these things, they usurp the parents' authority and make these topics part of school curriculums.

They shove their identity politics and social justice down school children's throats, revising our very history, to program their future "opinions" and use "liberal" courts to wage war against anyone whose religious or moral beliefs stand in the way of being browbeaten into "accepting" what to them is unacceptable. They tear down our historic monuments in an attempt to erase our history, call anyone who disagrees with them "r****ts, f*****ts and homophobes..."

All the the right is doing is resisting, fighting back, if you will, an incessant all-fronts attack on our own liberties, those same liberties we've enjoyed for 243 years, by proponents, witting and unwitting, of a political philosophy that empowers government to deprive us of those liberties to the point of forcing its way into our very households and micromanaging our lives through legislation and censorship.

You can depict conservatives, Judeo-Christians and President Trump as wh**ever "monsters" you want to depict us as and play the "poor, innocent, misunderstood" l*****ts as victims, sugar-coating the harm you do all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you are the actual offending party in our vast political divide, the ants at our picnic, the barbarian inside our gates.

So cut out all the bulls**t, you can't possibly be so obtuse that you don't completely understand where we're coming from. Virtually everything your "fearless leaders" labor at doing is tying our hands, verbally and legally, so we will be unable to defend ourselves against what you and your fellow travelers are trying to "fundamentally change America" into.

You don't need any "links" as proof, you've been here long enough to see them all and, at 72, you've been alive long enough that even with an IQ of 3 you would know exactly what I'm talking about.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Yep, that's the way I see it too! Good post!

Seth

Thanx!

Rose42

That was well put.