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What we all need to do is reasonbly assess Trump's presidency: good, bad, or indifferent
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Aug 21, 2019 14:31:03   #
debeda
 
TommyRadd wrote:
100% agree!

In fact, I always v**ed Libertarian until Trump vs Clinton. I always v**ed my conscience. But this time my conscience couldn’t live with not making sure the most corrupt woman in politics in the history of the world, so far as my education goes, did not get v**ed into office.

But, also, as I recall, there was some wobbling with Libertarians over right-to-life vs Pro-Choice, and I figured, if a platform can’t formally recognize the importance of right-to-life, they may not have their moral compass pointing the way it ought at its most basic level.
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I like the way you think, Tommy

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Aug 21, 2019 14:45:06   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
debeda wrote:
I like the way you think, Tommy


I feel the same about you Debeda! Always like what you post. I don’t believe I’ve read anything you posted that I didn’t agree with! Thankfully! There’s a lot of us on here!

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Aug 21, 2019 16:32:11   #
debeda
 
TommyRadd wrote:
I feel the same about you Debeda! Always like what you post. I don’t believe I’ve read anything you posted that I didn’t agree with! Thankfully! There’s a lot of us on here!



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Aug 21, 2019 20:34:05   #
rumitoid
 
debeda wrote:
What President Trump did was change the entire narrative of the 2016 e******n. The narrative, both right and left, was L***Q, black, Hispanic, Muslim rights. Yawn, s**k of it. Gun control. Uh huh. Cuts to social security, welfare and other "entitlements". Uh huh. Social security is paid into. 8.65% per year. No matter how little you make there is no relief from that payment. So yes, those that pay in are ENTITLED to the promised pay out. Not a damn word about what everyday people wanted to hear. JOBS was a big one. He delivered. BORDER SECURITY was a big one, particularly for border states. Hes slugging it out. Unfair trade practices ( we were still at levels with trade and tariffs as after WWII, when Europe and Japan were decimated, and most of the far east was still 3rd world). Hes delivering. He gave voice to the things so many wanted addressed. Every time you post about our President, Rumi, your hatred and disdain drips through.
What President Trump did was change the entire nar... (show quote)


debeda, many on your political spectrum make any criticism of Trump as h**e, for wh**ever contrived reason, and no matter what is verifiable on video. To see and express that something is wrong in someone's eyes, does not demand h**e and disdain toward another. By calling it h**e instead of criticism, you make it something irrational and with perhaps hidden motives or agenda. Hillary losing the e******n, perhaps. I did not and would never v**e for Hillary, so that excuse for my comments about Trump's horrendous leadership is moot.

A small correction: you said, "Every time you post about our President, Rumi, your hatred and disdain drips through.[/quote]" Not true for many reasons but I have posted numerous threads in his favor, something you guys never acknowledge when you want to condemn me.

For me, which may be trite, a broken clock like Trump can be right twice a day, and a scoundrel and threat to everything America stands for and is for twenty-three hour, 59 minutes, and 58 seconds.

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Aug 21, 2019 20:56:55   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
" Not true for many reasons but I have posted numerous threads in his favor, something you guys never acknowledge when you want to condemn me.

For me, which may be trite, a broken clock like Trump can be right twice a day, and a scoundrel and threat to everything America stands for and is for twenty-three hour, 59 minutes, and 58 seconds.


I have only seen 2 political threads that you started that weren't damning of President Trump's policies - and person. I am not and would never condemn you. I was simply pointing out that there were far more reasons than "the wall" that President Trump was elected. He truly did change the narrative in 2016 and turn it to issues people were interested in. Which is why he will most likely win in 2020. Because so far in the dem debates all I have seen as a platform is special treatment for special interests, unfettered, uncontrolled immigration and unsustainable free stuff. And of course orange man bad. That's not going to cut it. I would love to see a towering statesman as President of these United States. BUT first we needed a reset from insane and self destructive policies. And President Trump stood up as our clean up man. There aren't many who could continue to function and flourish in the toxic environment DC has become. IMO.

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Aug 21, 2019 21:19:14   #
rumitoid
 
TommyRadd wrote:
for Debeda’s response.

for Rumi’s assessment.

Rumitoid, what you need to “reasonably assess” is the alternatives we had to choose from in 2016, and the ones on the left who are standing in line for 2020, and then Trump’s personal idiosyncrasies won’t sound so offensive.

Why don’t you try reasonably assessing the big picture alternative that l*****ts want open borders, sanctuary cities for i*****l a***ns, and me, you, and every other American to pay for them through taxes, so they can have free (for them) health care and welfare? Anyone who can reasonably assess that option would instantly realize that will totally bankrupt America, and will let in all manner of MS13 criminals, terrorists and many others with no interest in actually assimilating into American culture, and turn America into a third world country in a heartbeat and then how will America help other countries out? L*****ts want to k**l and eat the goose who lays the golden eggs, and you’re first in line to the butcher block!

Why do these facts go right over your head in your hatred of Trump and America? And don’t give me lip service that you love America when you sympathize with those who want to destroy it with their plans for failed socialism. Do you really want to live under socialism in America? Do l*****t-controlled inner cities really look like the model you want for all of America? Do you really want to support a culture that murders unborn babies who inconvenience them? Do you really want to have to deny there are in fact only two biological sexes, and that it is DNA, not deviance (not D-V-N’s! Ha, I made a funny, I wonder if it’ll catch on), that determines our sex? Do you really want to live in an America whose politicians sell us out to whoever wants to “pay-for-play”? Do you really want to live in an America where politicians get to go into government poor, and come out multi-millionaires because they can legally invest on their inside information even though they are instrumental in directing that inside information? Does America really have to go total banana republic until you can reasonably assess the direction America would go under l*****t rule?

What is wrong with you? I’ll tell you what. Jesus had folks like you pegged when he said:

“You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!” Matthew 23:24

The reason we put up with Trump’s personal shortcomings is just that simple: we don’t strain at his relatively gnat sized flaws like you do and swallow instead the relatively camel sized flaws in the l*****t agenda, which is set out to destroy the fundamentals which made this country great, including the basic building block of society which is the fruitful union of the marriage of one man and one woman. Really, how hard is THAT to “reasonably assess”?

I know this “big picture” view is maybe hard for you to swallow, as judged by your OP, but just try to reasonably assess it, and show us you can, and then maybe you might gain our attention. Until then, you are just making yourself out to be an Absalom pointing out the flaws of King David in order to gain sympathy and followers to the rebellious l*****t cause...and we ain’t biting...on that camel.
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Tommy, you build the strawman that all Liberians want open borders, which I fervently do not--and most liberals do not , that is Rightest propaganda--and mock and condemn for a stance I do not hold. Almost all your points are not based in reality but in Right Wing propaganda.

These facts "do not go right over my head" because it is the false narrative of the GOP. You are wholly mesmerized by the feeble and tired rhetoric coming from the Red Zone of indoctrination.

"And don’t give me lip service that you love America when you sympathize with those who want to destroy it with their plans for failed socialism."
You do not have apparently have a clue between a welfare state and socialism. Not a single Democrat wants Socialism, uppercase. The system does not work and is not liked. The most effective and prosperous countries in the world have a welfare/capitalist government, such as ours. (Social Security saved us from economic ruin in 2018. Look it up.)

"Do l*****t-controlled inner cities really look like the model you want for all of America?" Wow, what are you saying here? What is going on in the "inner-cities" and how are L*****t controlling it?

"Do you really want to support a culture that murders unborn babies who inconvenience them?"
No! (But you exaggerate and distort the issue by saying "who inconvenience them." A mother's life that may be lost is not an inconvenience. Children raped or by incest violated that become pregnant who seek an a******n are not an inconvenience.)

G****r of an individual is on a spectrum: proven science! It is like intelligence or talents: they can vary greatly. We have a better study of autism today: science has shown there is a spectrum of the natural disorder. Why not claim Autism, intelligence, and talents passed on in DNA has no effect?

"Do you really want to live in an America where politicians get to go into government poor, and come out multi-millionaires because they can legally invest on their inside information even though they are instrumental in directing that inside information?"
Of course not. But Trump has put forty lobbyist, whose sole purpose is to become rich, in top government jobs, against his own edict supposedly against this practice.

What I can see of all you wrote in this post is a comrade taking you under his wing and filling you with the h**e-filled gibberish of the Right that wants to dominate and control every facet of life in America, until there is no true life in America.

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Aug 21, 2019 23:52:27   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
rumitoid wrote:
" Not true for many reasons but I have posted numerous threads in his favor, something you guys never acknowledge when you want to condemn me.

For me, which may be trite, a broken clock like Trump can be right twice a day, and a scoundrel and threat to everything America stands for and is for twenty-three hour, 59 minutes, and 58 seconds.


The other 2 seconds make it up, and then some.
Nice of you to acknowledge that's all the time he needs.

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Aug 22, 2019 00:40:00   #
rumitoid
 
debeda wrote:
I have only seen 2 political threads that you started that weren't damning of President Trump's policies - and person. I am not and would never condemn you. I was simply pointing out that there were far more reasons than "the wall" that President Trump was elected. He truly did change the narrative in 2016 and turn it to issues people were interested in. Which is why he will most likely win in 2020. Because so far in the dem debates all I have seen as a platform is special treatment for special interests, unfettered, uncontrolled immigration and unsustainable free stuff. And of course orange man bad. That's not going to cut it. I would love to see a towering statesman as President of these United States. BUT first we needed a reset from insane and self destructive policies. And President Trump stood up as our clean up man. There aren't many who could continue to function and flourish in the toxic environment DC has become. IMO.
I have only seen 2 political threads that you star... (show quote)


Trump is a total amoral, narcissistic, and worthless individual. He is almost single-handedly destroying this country and definitely its image and standing in the world. He is a clear and present danger to our national security. His policies are slowly revealing that they are undermining all that we stand for and our financial solvency. For all we knew, he could have been replaced in Moscow during the Miss Universe Contest, on a break from grabbing their pussies and lured to grabbing more. He acts like a double agent, as far his bff Putin goes. Damaging info on the president?

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Aug 22, 2019 05:22:50   #
Tug484
 
TommyRadd wrote:
for Debeda’s response.

for Rumi’s assessment.

Rumitoid, what you need to “reasonably assess” is the alternatives we had to choose from in 2016, and the ones on the left who are standing in line for 2020, and then Trump’s personal idiosyncrasies won’t sound so offensive.

Why don’t you try reasonably assessing the big picture alternative that l*****ts want open borders, sanctuary cities for i*****l a***ns, and me, you, and every other American to pay for them through taxes, so they can have free (for them) health care and welfare? Anyone who can reasonably assess that option would instantly realize that will totally bankrupt America, and will let in all manner of MS13 criminals, terrorists and many others with no interest in actually assimilating into American culture, and turn America into a third world country in a heartbeat and then how will America help other countries out? L*****ts want to k**l and eat the goose who lays the golden eggs, and you’re first in line to the butcher block!

Why do these facts go right over your head in your hatred of Trump and America? And don’t give me lip service that you love America when you sympathize with those who want to destroy it with their plans for failed socialism. Do you really want to live under socialism in America? Do l*****t-controlled inner cities really look like the model you want for all of America? Do you really want to support a culture that murders unborn babies who inconvenience them? Do you really want to have to deny there are in fact only two biological sexes, and that it is DNA, not deviance (not D-V-N’s! Ha, I made a funny, I wonder if it’ll catch on), that determines our sex? Do you really want to live in an America whose politicians sell us out to whoever wants to “pay-for-play”? Do you really want to live in an America where politicians get to go into government poor, and come out multi-millionaires because they can legally invest on their inside information even though they are instrumental in directing that inside information? Does America really have to go total banana republic until you can reasonably assess the direction America would go under l*****t rule?

What is wrong with you? I’ll tell you what. Jesus had folks like you pegged when he said:

“You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!” Matthew 23:24

The reason we put up with Trump’s personal shortcomings is just that simple: we don’t strain at his relatively gnat sized flaws like you do and swallow instead the relatively camel sized flaws in the l*****t agenda, which is set out to destroy the fundamentals which made this country great, including the basic building block of society which is the fruitful union of the marriage of one man and one woman. Really, how hard is THAT to “reasonably assess”?

I know this “big picture” view is maybe hard for you to swallow, as judged by your OP, but just try to reasonably assess it, and show us you can, and then maybe you might gain our attention. Until then, you are just making yourself out to be an Absalom pointing out the flaws of King David in order to gain sympathy and followers to the rebellious l*****t cause...and we ain’t biting...on that camel.
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Aug 22, 2019 07:54:58   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
TommyRadd wrote:
for Debeda’s response.

for Rumi’s assessment.

Rumitoid, what you need to “reasonably assess” is the alternatives we had to choose from in 2016, and the ones on the left who are standing in line for 2020, and then Trump’s personal idiosyncrasies won’t sound so offensive.

Why don’t you try reasonably assessing the big picture alternative that l*****ts want open borders, sanctuary cities for i*****l a***ns, and me, you, and every other American to pay for them through taxes, so they can have free (for them) health care and welfare? Anyone who can reasonably assess that option would instantly realize that will totally bankrupt America, and will let in all manner of MS13 criminals, terrorists and many others with no interest in actually assimilating into American culture, and turn America into a third world country in a heartbeat and then how will America help other countries out? L*****ts want to k**l and eat the goose who lays the golden eggs, and you’re first in line to the butcher block!

Why do these facts go right over your head in your hatred of Trump and America? And don’t give me lip service that you love America when you sympathize with those who want to destroy it with their plans for failed socialism. Do you really want to live under socialism in America? Do l*****t-controlled inner cities really look like the model you want for all of America? Do you really want to support a culture that murders unborn babies who inconvenience them? Do you really want to have to deny there are in fact only two biological sexes, and that it is DNA, not deviance (not D-V-N’s! Ha, I made a funny, I wonder if it’ll catch on), that determines our sex? Do you really want to live in an America whose politicians sell us out to whoever wants to “pay-for-play”? Do you really want to live in an America where politicians get to go into government poor, and come out multi-millionaires because they can legally invest on their inside information even though they are instrumental in directing that inside information? Does America really have to go total banana republic until you can reasonably assess the direction America would go under l*****t rule?

What is wrong with you? I’ll tell you what. Jesus had folks like you pegged when he said:

“You blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!” Matthew 23:24

The reason we put up with Trump’s personal shortcomings is just that simple: we don’t strain at his relatively gnat sized flaws like you do and swallow instead the relatively camel sized flaws in the l*****t agenda, which is set out to destroy the fundamentals which made this country great, including the basic building block of society which is the fruitful union of the marriage of one man and one woman. Really, how hard is THAT to “reasonably assess”?

I know this “big picture” view is maybe hard for you to swallow, as judged by your OP, but just try to reasonably assess it, and show us you can, and then maybe you might gain our attention. Until then, you are just making yourself out to be an Absalom pointing out the flaws of King David in order to gain sympathy and followers to the rebellious l*****t cause...and we ain’t biting...on that camel.
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Salute!!!

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Aug 22, 2019 08:52:11   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
Trump is a total amoral, narcissistic, and worthless individual. He is almost single-handedly destroying this country and definitely its image and standing in the world. He is a clear and present danger to our national security. His policies are slowly revealing that they are undermining all that we stand for and our financial solvency. For all we knew, he could have been replaced in Moscow during the Miss Universe Contest, on a break from grabbing their pussies and lured to grabbing more. He acts like a double agent, as far his bff Putin goes. Damaging info on the president?
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I'm sorry you feel that way.

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Aug 22, 2019 08:55:21   #
Rose42
 
debeda wrote:
What President Trump did was change the entire narrative of the 2016 e******n. The narrative, both right and left, was L***Q, black, Hispanic, Muslim rights. Yawn, s**k of it. Gun control. Uh huh. Cuts to social security, welfare and other "entitlements". Uh huh. Social security is paid into. 8.65% per year. No matter how little you make there is no relief from that payment. So yes, those that pay in are ENTITLED to the promised pay out. Not a damn word about what everyday people wanted to hear. JOBS was a big one. He delivered. BORDER SECURITY was a big one, particularly for border states. Hes slugging it out. Unfair trade practices ( we were still at levels with trade and tariffs as after WWII, when Europe and Japan were decimated, and most of the far east was still 3rd world). Hes delivering. He gave voice to the things so many wanted addressed. Every time you post about our President, Rumi, your hatred and disdain drips through.
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You go girl.

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Aug 22, 2019 09:09:20   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
Trump is a total amoral, narcissistic, and worthless individual. He is almost single-handedly destroying this country and definitely its image and standing in the world. He is a clear and present danger to our national security. His policies are slowly revealing that they are undermining all that we stand for and our financial solvency. For all we knew, he could have been replaced in Moscow during the Miss Universe Contest, on a break from grabbing their pussies and lured to grabbing more. He acts like a double agent, as far his bff Putin goes. Damaging info on the president?
Trump is a total amoral, narcissistic, and worthle... (show quote)


"All we stand for?" All who stands for?

When Obama was the Ayatollahs' (you know, those fine folks in Iran who call us "the great Satan" and threaten to blow us up) "bff" and when he added nearly $9 trillion to our debt with very little tangible result, was that a mere bagatelle and completely in line with "all we stand for?"

By "we" you must be referring only to the far left, in which case the old expression "speak for yourself" applies rather aptly.

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Aug 22, 2019 09:24:09   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Tommy, you build the strawman that all Liberians want open borders, which I fervently do not--and most liberals do not , that is Rightest propaganda--and mock and condemn for a stance I do not hold. Almost all your points are not based in reality but in Right Wing propaganda.

These facts "do not go right over my head" because it is the false narrative of the GOP. You are wholly mesmerized by the feeble and tired rhetoric coming from the Red Zone of indoctrination.


Yet you are deeply entrenched in far left propaganda but can't see it.

Some of the propaganda you believe -

"A mother's life that may be lost is not an inconvenience. Children raped or by incest violated that become pregnant who seek an a******n are not an inconvenience."

That is less than one percent of pregnancies. The vast majority of a******ns are for convenience and that is no exaggeration. Check the Guttmacher Institute.

"G****r of an individual is on a spectrum: proven science! It is like intelligence or talents: they can vary greatly."

Its not "proven science". Its junk science. You claim to be Christian yet reject that God made us male and female - Genesis 5:2.

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What I can see of all you wrote in this post is a comrade taking you under his wing and filling you with the h**e-filled gibberish of the Right that wants to dominate and control every facet of life in America, until there is no true life in America.


Yet you champion an amoral agenda that will make the United States a modern Babylon. You champion an amoral agenda that h**es Christianity but embraces islam. You will welcome your chains as long as they are blue

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Aug 22, 2019 09:27:23   #
Seth
 
Rose42 wrote:
Yet you champion an amoral agenda that will make the United States a modern Babylon. You champion an amoral agenda that h**es Christianity but embraces islam. You will welcome your chains as long as they are blue


Well said!

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